1. Having to wake up one hour earlier when daylight saving time kicks in sucks.

2. 12:00 is supposed to be around the time when the sun is at its peak, and 00:00 when the night is the darkest (that's why it is called "midnight", as it is in the middle of the night). Shifting the noon and midnight changes that.

3. People like me who work internationally, it messes up calendar invitations. For instance, now all the recurring calendar invitations (meetings) that our Indian partners have arranged have shifted by one hour (earlier), because India doesn't do that silly clock shifting shit. Now some of those meetings overlap with other (local) meetings, and we have to agree again who changes their meeting times.

And since e.g. US changes the time on different dates than EU countries (those US states that do), this kind of change takes place four times per year between US <=> EU. I think you should ask your boss to allow you to go work one hour earlier so that you can leave work one hour earlier, or maybe apply for a night shift. No need to force everyone to change their time because of your personal preferences.

If it was really such a good idea that we can have lots of daylight after work, then I presume it would be common that everyone goes to work 3am and gets back home at noon or so. Then you'd still have lots of sunlight after work, without shifting the clocks.

Shifting the clock is simply stupid, causing nothing but inconvenience.

If I told you that you have to perform ten somersaults while yodeling every morning right after you wake up, would you object? If so, why?

I would object because I would consider it stupid, causing me nothing but inconvenience. Just like daylight saving. Sure you could come up with some "benefits" like that those somersaults are good exercise, and yodeling will clear your throat nicely. Thanks, but I'd still keep it optional, not forcing everyone to do it against their will. Those who still want to do that, by all means do.

um, yeah okaaaay

no.

Winter time is the normal time. when Sun is the highest peak at 12pm aka noon (more or less of course)

in summer you have sun at it's highest point at 1pm. because otherwise you would have sunrise something like 3:30 am.


so now in Sydney we entered Daylight Saving time as Summer is coming. In europe you have regular time.
Sure.

but what i miss in sydney which i had in Poland is long sunny days in Summer. when you can read a book at 9pm outside without artificial lighting. because sydney is too close to equator it is already dark at the time saving time or not.

and you wouldn't be able to do that in Poland without Daylight saving time. but like you said. this is mine opinion of course.


DST ended in Czech republic few weeks ago (whenever you changed the clock)

DST is summer time. it involves moving clocks one hour forward to postpone the sunrise and sunset in order to extend sunny hours when most people are awake (so 6am till 10pm). it moves peak of a day from 12pm to 1pm.

in australia we entered DST in the beginning of October. as we have summary from December to Feb.

Actually, if you had read the previous page of the topic as well, and not just the first two, you'd see that we already resolved that issue, which stemmed from a confusion brought about by someone else.

Here's my post from the previous page of this topic:

"Oh damn! So I was right after all! After seeing DaCosta's first reply about the clock being forward/back I wasn't sure, so I asked someone at my house and they told me that DST starts now! And that it's so we have more light in the morning in the winter. Dang it, and when I googled it back then to double-check I misread what was written and thought it confirms what that guys said.

So yeah, that's kind of annoying. Sorry Costa, so you were wrong after all in your first assumption, you always roll forward during DST."

But thanks for explaining how it works in Australia, it's always fun to learn more how it's different in the other hemispheres! Like how you have summer when we have winter and vice versa. Haha! :)

I went snowboarding on 16 July to 19 July this year. Was really fun!

If you have children, you can't but be annoyed by DST switches. If you lose an hour you have trouble getting the kids out of bed for at least a week, and they'll be even more tired and grumpy than you. If you gain an hour you accomplish nothing, because the kids will be up that extra hour earlier for days messing up your sleep and morning routine.

Since all clocks are am arbitrary convention i don't understand why we still use the sun as a reference and why it should be at 12 in the middle. We don't use sundials anymore. Sunrise imho should be around 8 am though that is also highly seasonal. But almost nobody starts work nowadays before 8-9am so it's wasted sunlight.

I don't know why we just don't keep it the same year 'round. Winters would be a lot less gloomy. When I had a job with ten-and-a-half hour shifts it'd be dark when I got there and dark when I left. I'd get to see daylight on my two breaks. Sucked.

I have young children. That is all.

Most of the time you don't get to choose at what time you go to work. I for example have to be at work until 6-7 pm not because i want but because the company needs me so.

My point was that if it was generally considered as such a good idea that we go to work earlier and get out of work earlier, then we'd all just do that. Wake up 3am, go to work e.g. around 4-5am, and get home 1-2pm, or whatever. There is no need to shift the clocks to achieve that, just move the official office hours from e.g. 9am-5pm to 6am-2pm.

In that case your company would not need you to work until 6-7pm anymore than they need you to work until 11pm now.

Now, if on the other hand we believe that there would be resistance if people and schoolkids were forced to get up hours earlier than they do now... then we'd need to figure out what are the reasons for the resistance. The reasons would be the same why people don't necessarily like daylight saving either.

When Romania was a comunist country, almost everyone went to work at 7am. I think it was better because you were at home at 3pm. I have no clue why office hours shifted afterwards but now working from 7 to 15 is considered a "commie" thing.

I don't really know, I guess they think it's a bother or unnecessary ... at the end of daylight savings time people have to wake up one hour earlier one gray monday in the autumn and they think it sucks.

Nothing inherently bad about DST from my point of view, however... and this is a biiiig however, it is possible to fuck it up so amazingly that it's quite epic.

Iceland. Fucking retards. There's a permanent DST in Iceland. The clock never changes, but solar noon is always at 1300 hours and this has been like this since the 70s ish.

In the summer this couldn't be more irrelevant, since Iceland is situated far enough north that during the summer it's daylight more or less 24 hours a day. Rendering DST pointless at that particular time. DST or not, the sunlight during the evenings is going to last until the next morning.

Winter, is something else entirely. With permanent dumbass DST in Iceland, the 4 hours of daylight during the winter are 1 hour late. Which means, that people go to work or school in complete darkness until March.

If those Icelandic fucktards could respect the actual solar time, they'd wake up in sunlight in mid February.

But that's not the worst. There are many people in Iceland who defend this and claim this is somehow better. Why? Hell if I know.

But that's not actually really the worst. No, the worst are the people who think Iceland should have a DST of sorts, except the reverse and move the clock farther from solar time during the winter so they'd have sunlight in March when *leaving* work (putting Iceland on time with Central Europe) and waking up in darkness until May I guess.

Yes it's winter in Iceland and yes I'm goddam annoyed that I have been waking up in darkness for more than a month now when the dark period *could* and *should* have started just about now - if people would just do something as radical as following the celestial bodies instead of being retarded Icelanders.