1. Having to wake up one hour earlier when daylight saving time kicks in sucks.

2. 12:00 is supposed to be around the time when the sun is at its peak, and 00:00 when the night is the darkest (that's why it is called "midnight", as it is in the middle of the night). Shifting the noon and midnight changes that.

3. People like me who work internationally, it messes up calendar invitations. For instance, now all the recurring calendar invitations (meetings) that our Indian partners have arranged have shifted by one hour (earlier), because India doesn't do that silly clock shifting shit. Now some of those meetings overlap with other (local) meetings, and we have to agree again who changes their meeting times.

And since e.g. US changes the time on different dates than EU countries (those US states that do), this kind of change takes place four times per year between US <=> EU. I think you should ask your boss to allow you to go work one hour earlier so that you can leave work one hour earlier, or maybe apply for a night shift. No need to force everyone to change their time because of your personal preferences.

If it was really such a good idea that we can have lots of daylight after work, then I presume it would be common that everyone goes to work 3am and gets back home at noon or so. Then you'd still have lots of sunlight after work, without shifting the clocks.

Shifting the clock is simply stupid, causing nothing but inconvenience.

If I told you that you have to perform ten somersaults while yodeling every morning right after you wake up, would you object? If so, why?

I would object because I would consider it stupid, causing me nothing but inconvenience. Just like daylight saving. Sure you could come up with some "benefits" like that those somersaults are good exercise, and yodeling will clear your throat nicely. Thanks, but I'd still keep it optional, not forcing everyone to do it against their will. Those who still want to do that, by all means do.

um, yeah okaaaay

Actually, if you had read the previous page of the topic as well, and not just the first two, you'd see that we already resolved that issue, which stemmed from a confusion brought about by someone else.

Here's my post from the previous page of this topic:

"Oh damn! So I was right after all! After seeing DaCosta's first reply about the clock being forward/back I wasn't sure, so I asked someone at my house and they told me that DST starts now! And that it's so we have more light in the morning in the winter. Dang it, and when I googled it back then to double-check I misread what was written and thought it confirms what that guys said.

So yeah, that's kind of annoying. Sorry Costa, so you were wrong after all in your first assumption, you always roll forward during DST."

But thanks for explaining how it works in Australia, it's always fun to learn more how it's different in the other hemispheres! Like how you have summer when we have winter and vice versa. Haha! :)

I went snowboarding on 16 July to 19 July this year. Was really fun!

If you have children, you can't but be annoyed by DST switches. If you lose an hour you have trouble getting the kids out of bed for at least a week, and they'll be even more tired and grumpy than you. If you gain an hour you accomplish nothing, because the kids will be up that extra hour earlier for days messing up your sleep and morning routine.

Since all clocks are am arbitrary convention i don't understand why we still use the sun as a reference and why it should be at 12 in the middle. We don't use sundials anymore. Sunrise imho should be around 8 am though that is also highly seasonal. But almost nobody starts work nowadays before 8-9am so it's wasted sunlight.

I don't know why we just don't keep it the same year 'round. Winters would be a lot less gloomy. When I had a job with ten-and-a-half hour shifts it'd be dark when I got there and dark when I left. I'd get to see daylight on my two breaks. Sucked.

I have young children. That is all.

It is a good reference ("noon" being the time of the day you expect be the brightest, and "midnight" being the time when the night is the darkest, regardless of where you are), even if the timezones going by countries' borders mess it up a bit (e.g. the very northern parts of Norway are directly north of Finland, yet they have a different timezone because they belong to Norway).

It is odd you say we shouldn't use sun as a reference, as if it doesn't matter, as the only argument for daylight saving time is increased sunlight in the evenings.

I still don't get it: if it was true that we should have more sun in the evenings and everyone wants it, why won't everyone just go earlier to work, school etc.? Why don't people wake up already 3am, and factories fire up 4am? Then people would still have lots of sunlight after work. Why do we have to shift the clock times to achieve the same?

Also I think there are two arguments which are mixed somewhat:

- Is shifting of the clock twice a year a good idea?

- Even if we didn't shift the clocks twice a year, should we shift the clocks permanently from the current times (for whatever reason, like "moar sunlight to evenings!!!")? For instance, shift the clock permanently a couple hours ahead, that what is currently noon would be e.g. at 3 pm then, forcing everyone to get up three hours earlier all the year. I believe Russia did something like this, they decided to remain permanently in the "summer time", waking up one hour earlier than before.

So which one are the DLS proponents mostly for, shifting of the clocks twice a year, or permanently? It is the shifting part that causes more problems than the sun being the highest in the afternoon.

Most of the time you don't get to choose at what time you go to work. I for example have to be at work until 6-7 pm not because i want but because the company needs me so.

My point was that if it was generally considered as such a good idea that we go to work earlier and get out of work earlier, then we'd all just do that. Wake up 3am, go to work e.g. around 4-5am, and get home 1-2pm, or whatever. There is no need to shift the clocks to achieve that, just move the official office hours from e.g. 9am-5pm to 6am-2pm.

In that case your company would not need you to work until 6-7pm anymore than they need you to work until 11pm now.

Now, if on the other hand we believe that there would be resistance if people and schoolkids were forced to get up hours earlier than they do now... then we'd need to figure out what are the reasons for the resistance. The reasons would be the same why people don't necessarily like daylight saving either.

When Romania was a comunist country, almost everyone went to work at 7am. I think it was better because you were at home at 3pm. I have no clue why office hours shifted afterwards but now working from 7 to 15 is considered a "commie" thing.

I don't really know, I guess they think it's a bother or unnecessary ... at the end of daylight savings time people have to wake up one hour earlier one gray monday in the autumn and they think it sucks.

Nothing inherently bad about DST from my point of view, however... and this is a biiiig however, it is possible to fuck it up so amazingly that it's quite epic.

Iceland. Fucking retards. There's a permanent DST in Iceland. The clock never changes, but solar noon is always at 1300 hours and this has been like this since the 70s ish.

In the summer this couldn't be more irrelevant, since Iceland is situated far enough north that during the summer it's daylight more or less 24 hours a day. Rendering DST pointless at that particular time. DST or not, the sunlight during the evenings is going to last until the next morning.

Winter, is something else entirely. With permanent dumbass DST in Iceland, the 4 hours of daylight during the winter are 1 hour late. Which means, that people go to work or school in complete darkness until March.

If those Icelandic fucktards could respect the actual solar time, they'd wake up in sunlight in mid February.

But that's not the worst. There are many people in Iceland who defend this and claim this is somehow better. Why? Hell if I know.

But that's not actually really the worst. No, the worst are the people who think Iceland should have a DST of sorts, except the reverse and move the clock farther from solar time during the winter so they'd have sunlight in March when *leaving* work (putting Iceland on time with Central Europe) and waking up in darkness until May I guess.

Yes it's winter in Iceland and yes I'm goddam annoyed that I have been waking up in darkness for more than a month now when the dark period *could* and *should* have started just about now - if people would just do something as radical as following the celestial bodies instead of being retarded Icelanders.