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GameRager: To me and others 16 bucks for the full game is a steal compared to release day prices....just saying. :\

GameRager: What about the changes for the red cross? Are the red pluses still in the gog versions as well?

Also thanks for the information. :)

GameRager: Quake 1/2 are here but sadly the music is cut out and one has to get it elsewhere

StingingVelvet: I think a big problem is that people own a lot of these old but not too old games on Steam, and the market of people who would re-buy them at full price just to have them on GOG is pretty small. I was excited to see Bioshock Infinite come here for example, but am I paying $16 or whatever it was just to get a DRM free copy when I already have it? Nah. So that's probably stopping a lot of semi-modern releases from selling well.

Cadaver747: No you don't.

Lord_Kane: Yes, the separate GOG releases are their original releases with no changes other then those included with the various updates to original games (the only change Ultimate Doom ever had was Id changing the level geometry of E1M4 by removing a swastika present but that was in version 1.4 released in 1994)

but yes the red cross logo is present.

GameRager: Not to sound rude but then why do several people say here you need to DL the music because it was cut out due to licensing issues?

Or did they put it back in(honestly asking here)?

Lord_Kane: Ummm thats not why they were removed it, Id original removed the swastika in 94 because Doom got index'd in germany for that, same with why the SS and the wolfenstien levels where removed in the orignal german releases, has nothing to do with the modern concerns of "radicalization"

Cadaver747: I fully completed Quake and Quake 2 and their official expansions bought from GOG.

Quake 2 worked fine but I had to patch it with unofficial vanilla like patch/mod (knightmare's unofficial v3.24) for smoother framerate and just copy soundtrack folder to different place in game root. Can't say I have any issues with music.

Quake 1 is a different story, the music was there for glQuake but expansions were not properly edited for respective music, then soundtrack files were removed without clear statement as to why. DOS Quake still have the music playing from disk image (there are 3 in total). The problem is that you need to edit .cue file to fix the 2 seconds discrepancy in tracks. I had to fix the .cue file, burn CD to OGG files and use Mark V source port for Quake for closest to vanilla experience. If you need additional instructions on how to get the music you may chat me.

GameRager: Interesting....I seem to recall reading that the GOG versions had music licensing issues and they couldn't provide such with the games. Maybe I misread?

GameRager: To me and others 16 bucks for the full game is a steal compared to release day prices....just saying. :\

StingingVelvet: I feel like you often make off-the-wall points on purpose. What does that have to do with re-buying something you already own?

GameRager: To me and others 16 bucks for the full game is a steal compared to release day prices....just saying. :\

GameRager: Not to sound rude but then why do several people say here you need to DL the music because it was cut out due to licensing issues? Or did they put it back in(honestly asking here)?

AB2012: ^ I think StingingVelvet's point was (using the Bioshock example), B1 + B2 + BI games at their deepest discount are around £18 on GOG but the same games on Steam sold as a trilogy (Bioshock Collection) are only £9.99 (and include the Linux version of BI that GOG lacks). Whether a few people are willing to pay a whopping +80% premium just for DRM-Free or not, A. It gets harder and harder to encourage newcomers to GOG when the first observation is "Whoa, I don't mind paying a small premium for DRM-Free but +80% more is way too much for old games", and B. It's not a good thing to habitualize people into accepting the "need" to pay almost double just to remove DRM when for +10 year old games, DRM-Free re-releases should really be the default without any special premium. I'm pretty sure this is half the reason why we keep stagnating with not seeing more mid 2000's to early 2010's era AAA's that are now as old today as Deus Ex, RTCW, System Shock 2, etc, were when GOG launched.

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The last time I looked, I'm sure the GOG version of Quake 1 does include the soundtrack in the form of 3x large files in the game folder that appear to be renamed ripped .ISO's (or BIN//CUE) of audio CD's. That's most of what makes up the "1.1GB" install size of the game on the game page. The game itself (inc expansions) fed into Quakespasm source port minus the soundtrack is only around 126MB, so most of what makes up the install size is the CD-Audio soundtrack ripped to uncompressed WAV format and stored in virtual optical disc container files.

AB2012: ^ I think StingingVelvet's point was (using the Bioshock example), B1 + B2 + BI games at their deepest discount are around £18 on GOG but the same games on Steam sold as a trilogy (Bioshock Collection) are only £9.99 (and include the Linux version of BI that GOG lacks). Whether a few people are willing to pay a whopping +80% premium just for DRM-Free or not, A. It gets harder and harder to encourage newcomers to GOG when the first observation is "Whoa, I don't mind paying a small premium for DRM-Free but +80% more is way too much for old games", and B. It's not a good thing to habitualize people into accepting the "need" to pay almost double just to remove DRM when for +10 year old games, DRM-Free re-releases should really be the default without any special premium. I'm pretty sure this is half the reason why we keep stagnating with not seeing more mid 2000's to early 2010's era AAA's that are now as old today as Deus Ex, RTCW, System Shock 2, etc, were when GOG launched.