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GameRager: Still, if I may ask a question(mostly serious, a bit "silly"): What about the pro business side? What(besides giving companies money) do people directly do for companies?

Most of the time I usually see people(in general, I mean) online wanting more and more things from businesses....as if they are entitled to and should get everything they want because it'd be pro consumer.
Consumers provide things like raising awareness of brand and providing data (e.g., customers spending money not only gives the business money but shows what sells/what doesn't). Also I know you are asking generally but surely you have seen me post multiple times about how I feel DRM-free games are undervalued by the market (for now at least) and imo are worth even more than full price. I would call that a pro-business position that happens to dovetail with a particular pro-consumer position (DRM-free is good for consumers, though most people would say higher prices aren't).
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mrkgnao: For several months in 2017, the default offline installers were bundled with galaxy. You had the option to download galaxy-free installers if you wanted to (by unchecking some checkbox), but the default installers were galaxy-laden.
I hope everyone here is as vigilant now with the loss of Downloader, as they were in 2017. I want to believe Galaxy will always remain optional...I really do.
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Dalthnock: Precisely. It's poor form, and I'm pretty sure it contributes to a lot more toxicity than it removes.
This is very likely to be the case here.

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Dalthnock: In fact, it just drives away more moderate people while attracting those who don't give a fuck.
I wonder if those others that do it will ever get that...probably not, as their heads are likely so far up their posteriors they see in brown-vision.

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Dalthnock: Did I mention how much I love irony?
Now ya did. :)

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Dalthnock: But they didn't move on, that's the thing. They came back/stayed & removed the low rate. Why?
Some likely upvoted who are more fair/level headed.....also some of them likely saw a more liked forum member(to them) said your posts were ok so they changed their votes.

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Dalthnock: Who goes into threads just looking for posts to down/upvote instead of, you know, discussing, make a joke, be an ass?
Likely people with crap/no lives and too much free time on their hands who take the forums WAY too seriously.
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Dalthnock: Did I mention how much I love irony?
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GameRager: Now ya did. :)
Here's one more: when those geniuses have driven everyone away with their sniping, it'll be just us misfits, posting crap & being downvoted furiously by people who hate us, but can't stay away because they gotta protect the forums!
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rjbuffchix: Consumers provide things like raising awareness of brand and providing data (e.g., customers spending money not only gives the business money but shows what sells/what doesn't).
True, but many big businesses have enough super loyal fans/consumers(more so than us I mean) to do that for them, for money/stuff or even for free.

If I might add, that's one thing I like about people like you(with strict principles and morals).....most of you don't blindly consume like most of the rest of us. If someone created all future humans to be similar to people like you(albeit a bit more flexible/etc) they'd really have to watch every move they made and be more accountable. :)

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rjbuffchix: Also I know you are asking generally but surely you have seen me post multiple times about how I feel DRM-free games are undervalued by the market (for now at least) and imo are worth even more than full price. I would call that a pro-business position that happens to dovetail with a particular pro-consumer position (DRM-free is good for consumers, though most people would say higher prices aren't).
The thing is that many more are bargain hunters/frugal(unless it's something they reallly like or they are rich, or are like you/others like you).....not everyone pays full price either because they are tight with their money or(like me) on a budget.

Essentially there are more like you but more of them don't care what the companies that make their favorite things do as much as you/others, yet they have money to burn.

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rjbuffchix: I hope everyone here is as vigilant now with the loss of Downloader, as they were in 2017. I want to believe Galaxy will always remain optional...I really do.
I have a feeling it will....with GOG seemingly afraid to do anything wrong(on social media, the forums, other places) and suffer a backlash, I don't think they would go that far(if only not to lose a ton of goodwill and business).
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Dalthnock: Here's one more: when those geniuses have driven everyone away with their sniping, it'll be just us misfits, posting crap & being downvoted furiously by people who hate us, but can't stay away because they gotta protect the forums!
I'm not the only one who sees/thinks that? Small world.

But yeah, some of the more fervent forum goers who do such claim they want to better the forums, and they seemingly think(and claim) the best way to do that is to engage in these petty low rate "wars" against people like me/you/etc & derail threads they dislike/sh*tpost/troll others...essentially those types want to clean up the forum by dumping trash into it and lighting it on fire.....like Nero fiddling at the burning of rome.

(Forgot this bit: They also have been low rating more people lately.....basically anyone that says anything too critical of those they like or of things they support, and also anyone else[that isn't liked by them already] who gets along with those here they already low rate/dislike....leading to some threads[of other users, even] turning into a sea of red marks)
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Dalthnock: Here's one more: when those geniuses have driven everyone away with their sniping, it'll be just us misfits, posting crap & being downvoted furiously by people who hate us, but can't stay away because they gotta protect the forums!
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GameRager: I'm not the only one who sees/thinks that? Small world.

But yeah, some of the more fervent forum goers who do such claim they want to better the forums, and they seemingly think(and claim) the best way to do that is to engage in these petty low rate "wars" against people like me/you/etc & derail threads they dislike/sh*tpost/troll others...essentially those types want to clean up the forum by dumping trash into it and lighting it on fire.....like Nero fiddling at the burning of rome.

(Forgot this bit: They also have been low rating more people lately.....basically anyone that says anything too critical of those they like or of things they support, and also anyone else[that isn't liked by them already] who gets along with those here they already low rate/dislike....leading to some threads[of other users, even] turning into a sea of red marks)
Something like this.
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timppu: I run one bat file (gog.bat) which does all these things:
- Downloads any new or updated game or extras/goodies files for the offline installers. I don't have to try track what has changed or I haven't downloaded yet, gogrepo does it automatically.
- Cleans my GOG game collection, moving away old obsolete installer files.
- Verifies that all my installers are still ok (no data corruption/bitrot).
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Dalthnock: Hi, nice to meet you, my name is Paranoia.

One day, GOG will include DRM in all installers. Since you're downloading & deleting everything automatically without checking, you will lose all your DRM free installers, and be stuck with a bunch of useless files.

Sleep tight!
Nope, you are wrong. See how I said gogrepo "moves away obsolete files"? It doesn't delete them automatically, it is up to me to delete them manually (either first checking if I want to delete them, or without checking, up to me).

I have actually preserved many of the older "obsolete files", e.g. when GOG removed a couple of soundtracks from a few games (I kept those soundtracks, not deleting them), and e.g. the older CD and DVD versions of Myst 2: Riven (the current version is a ScummVM version which is apparently missing some easter egg from the CD/DVD versions).

Also, I don't get your point. I am downloading the DRM-free offline installers. How would GOG replace them with "DRM installers" without me noticing it? If GOG really wanted to push DRM to everyone, then their first step would be to stop offering the DRM-free standalone installers. That wouldn't go through without me noticing it.

So yeah, I sleep tight.
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Dalthnock: Hi, nice to meet you, my name is Paranoia.

One day, GOG will include DRM in all installers. Since you're downloading & deleting everything automatically without checking, you will lose all your DRM free installers, and be stuck with a bunch of useless files.

Sleep tight!
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timppu: Nope, you are wrong. See how I said gogrepo "moves away obsolete files"? It doesn't delete them automatically, it is up to me to delete them manually (either first checking if I want to delete them, or without checking, up to me).

I have actually preserved many of the older "obsolete files", e.g. when GOG removed a couple of soundtracks from a few games (I kept those soundtracks, not deleting them), and e.g. the older CD and DVD versions of Myst 2: Riven (the current version is a ScummVM version which is apparently missing some easter egg from the CD/DVD versions).

Also, I don't get your point. I am downloading the DRM-free offline installers. How would GOG replace them with "DRM installers" without me noticing it? If GOG really wanted to push DRM to everyone, then their first step would be to stop offering the DRM-free standalone installers. That wouldn't go through without me noticing it.

So yeah, I sleep tight.
I think he was being sarcastic.
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.Ra: I think he was being sarcastic.
In that case I have absolutely no idea what his point was supposed to be.

Sarcastic or not, I just corrected an error in his comment, just so that no one reading it gets the wrong idea that gogrepo would automatically delete old files from your GOG game collection. It doesn't, no sarcasm here.
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timppu: Also, I don't get your point. I am downloading the DRM-free offline installers. How would GOG replace them with "DRM installers" without me noticing it? If GOG really wanted to push DRM to everyone, then their first step would be to stop offering the DRM-free standalone installers. That wouldn't go through without me noticing it.
Ok, I thought it was downloading the new & deleting the old ones automatically, not moving them away, so my point doesn't stand.

I do keep checking for something along the lines of "Galaxy authentication required" in any updates. GOG has changed every other stance, after all.
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Dalthnock: Something like this.
Yup...now I imagine some palpatine type dude going "excelllllent" while doing all this....lol.
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mrkgnao: I wonder if it's worth the trouble to report all those regional pricing bugs I've been sitting on for months (and years) now. Perhaps if I report enough of them, they'll cancel regional pricing. Who knows?
*holds breath*

Am I doing it right?



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Lifthrasil: True. So beware, if we complain too much about the forum being broken, GOG might decide to deactivate it completely! ;-) [...]
Well, it's been ages since special characters don't post correctly on game pages, and it's been pointed out a good amount of time. So... the GOG cure for that would be to deactivate game pages, no?
Post edited March 13, 2020 by HypersomniacLive
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mrkgnao: For several months in 2017, the default offline installers were bundled with galaxy. You had the option to download galaxy-free installers if you wanted to (by unchecking some checkbox), but the default installers were galaxy-laden.
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rjbuffchix: I hope everyone here is as vigilant now with the loss of Downloader, as they were in 2017. I want to believe Galaxy will always remain optional...I really do.
Well, galaxy can be nowadays considered optional only if you don't really care that some of your offline installers are updated only a week or a month (or in some cases, a year or more) after they had been updated in galaxy. Then again, if you genuinely care about your games being up-to-date, you're in all likelihood not buying your games on GOG anyhow, so that's probably OK.
Post edited March 14, 2020 by mrkgnao
This sucks on so many levels because I used the GOG downloader to download the games that I own that are larger in size but good news is that there is a alternative that still works.
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Moonbeam: This, and it needs some more votes please:)
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MarkoH01: Well, at least we will get this poll I asked for. Unfortunately without alt account I can only vote once.
Every vote counts:)

Thanks Maxvorstadt.
https://www.gog.com/wishlist/site/keep_the_gog_downloader_and_keep_it_up_to_date
Post edited March 14, 2020 by Moonbeam
Great! Time to use DownThemAll! again.