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Shadowstalker16: A lot of it comes down to how critical you are of sources. A quote may be cited correctly, but the work cited may not itself be properly researched or may be an opinion piece. I asked you earlier in the thread what is it about the cited evidence that makes you think is the undoubted truth.

Again, that's why I ask you to be more detailed and less spammy with your posts. If you're watching and linking everything anyway, then at least put classify some into a group of events / stories that you think are 100% and absolutely true and link and discuss the sources.
I try to reference everything that's referenced in the 5 hours covered (and maybe a bit more). Curiously no one is questioning the links/content, they only accuse me of not having read them. In many cases they are attacking over any little thing, like the 28 pages PDF having the title of 'hi' which somehow discredits it and they said it was full of typos; I read through it and found like 3 minor typos (I didn't understand everything but I went through it). Curiously after bringing some of those things up it went totally silent again. Much like fluoride/toothpaste is poisonous and I provide the label warnings on the back that state if you swallow any you should contact poison control... Totally silent...

Some of the proof is also going to be in books and whitepapers that I don't simply have access to right now, and if I did have access to it simply saying 'trust me' isn't going to confide much confidence. This leaves my research to mostly web resources, recent news from Drudge, Breitbart, and other sources.

Ultimately I can only provide what I can provide within the time I can provide it, and learn as I go.
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rtcvb32: Curiously after bringing some of those things up it went totally silent again. Much like fluoride/toothpaste is poisonous and I provide the label warnings on the back that state if you swallow any you should contact poison control... Totally silent...
Probably because of 3 reasons:
1. You post (or, more accurately, spam) so much, that it's not worth reading everything you say.
2. You do the exact same thing to us. We bring up points that you completely ignore (shall I reiterate for the third time in a row my point that all you do is spam links rather than present arguments and think for yourself?), so why should we treat you any better than you're treating us? All we're doing is feeding you back the exact same thing.
3. A pretty solid majority of the stuff you've posted iseither debunked, fairly obviously fallacious with a little digging, or just parroting the same things over and over again, so what's the point of bothering to engage you on something we know you're not going to change your mind on? As I've mentioned before, you never actually stop and acknowledge the points of others. Rather, you just say "Hmm, that's interesting." to any opposition, then move on to the next unfounded claim.

So, in short:
We've ceased taking you seriously and done nothing but mock you because that's the treatment you give trolls. And that's exactly what you've become. A troll.
Even more hilarious is the fact that you get so riled over the spam that tinyE and Breja post, not even realizing that what they're doing is parodying what you do. Somehow it's bad when they do it, but when you do it, it's enlightening us with the truth.
I respect you otherwise when you can be a helpful and productive member of the community, but honestly, all you're doing is trolling with that thread, and with what shoddy, unfounded, and irrational arguments, as well as unbelievably foolish behavior you've shown in it, you're getting back exactly what you put in.
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rtcvb32: Curiously no one is questioning the links/content, they only accuse me of not having read them.
We do. You ignore it. The fact that you think this proves that you ignore it.
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rtcvb32: (I didn't understand everything but I went through it).
Never promote something you don't understand. That makes you foolish and as blind of a follower as you claim you don't wish to be. You're still a mental slave, just to another master.
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rtcvb32: Curiously after bringing some of those things up it went totally silent again. Much like fluoride/toothpaste is poisonous and I provide the label warnings on the back that state if you swallow any you should contact poison control... Totally silent...
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zeogold: <snip>
And again they don't even look at what i provided/linked. *sigh* whatever.
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rtcvb32: and learn as I go.
Oh, no. You're not learning. You're not learning a darn thing.
Let me tell you what learning is:
Learning is listening to both sides of the argument, investigating all the information you can, and making a judgment based upon what you've been presented with.
Learning is NOT listening only to the people who agree with what your preconceived notions already are and judging based off of what you already think is wrong and right, refusing to believe otherwise despite what insight others have to provide.

What you're doing is parroting. You're simply a speakerbox, a broken record, endlessly chanting somebody else's thoughts. That's the worst kind of "scholar", one who sets himself up to be a sucker for propaganda because he believes he's on the right side of the line in the sand.
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zeogold: <snip>
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rtcvb32: And again they don't even look at what i provided/linked. *sigh* whatever.
I did. Apparently you're not interested in what I have to say at all, you only want to talk about toothpaste.
Y'know what? Fine. I'll humor you for a moment. Let's talk about toothpaste.
Sodium fluoride is a chemical compound which can strengthen enamel through replacing atoms in said enamel that naturally wear away with certain foods and over time.
Is it dangerous? Yes, it's dangerous....in excessive amounts. The first link you showed me, the insecticide, is PURE SODIUM FLUORIDE. If you ate that, heck yeah, you'd die. There's a lot of compounds you can die from ingesting. You'd also die if you drank hydrogen peroxide, too, but it's perfectly safe for you to use on your skin.
The amount of sodium fluoride in most toothpastes is extremely minimal, especially compared to the other various substances in it. The warnings are on the toothpaste tubes to make sure you're not stupid enough to eat it. You can brush with it and spit it out and be perfectly healthy, but if you used it as a spread for your sandwich, you'd probably get sick. Mind you, you wouldn't even die from it, you'd probably just have a stomachache depending on how thick you like your sandwich spreads. Companies are required to put that "CALL THE POISON CONTROL CENTER" label on anything that can make you sick in such a way, regardless of whether it's enough to be a serious threat or not. The idea is for the poison control center to figure that out. It also says not to give it to kids under a certain age because kids have a tendency to swallow the stuff (it tastes sweet, and you know how kids are with sweet things).

If we should avoid toothpaste because of the sodium fluoride in it, then perhaps we should avoid apples too? Let's not forget that apples, particularly the seeds, have small amounts of cyanide in them.
Mind you, you'd have to eat about 100 or so apples before you could even get sick from the cyanide, to the point that you'd worry more about the bellyache you'd get just from eating all those apples, but by your standards, it seems we should avoid this dangerous fruit whenever possible.


This only serves as further proof that you do little to look up the ACTUAL information on the subject and just spam links thinking that's going to somehow "enlighten" us with your poorly-researched arguments.
Post edited October 29, 2016 by zeogold
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rtcvb32: and learn as I go.
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zeogold: Oh, no. You're not learning. You're not learning a darn thing.
Let me tell you what learning is:
Learning is listening to both sides of the argument, investigating all the information you can, and making a judgment based upon what you've been presented with.
Learning is NOT listening only to the people who agree with what your preconceived notions already are and judging based off of what you already think is wrong and right, refusing to believe otherwise despite what insight others have to provide.

What you're doing is parroting. You're simply a speakerbox, a broken record, endlessly chanting somebody else's thoughts. That's the worst kind of "scholar", one who sets himself up to be a sucker for propaganda because he believes he's on the right side of the line in the sand.
You should learn all that instead of preaching it and follow those words which I'm certain are not yours.
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zeogold: <snip>
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rtcvb32: And again they don't even look at what i provided/linked. *sigh* whatever.
Don't worry about those wankers as karma will:)
Post edited October 29, 2016 by Tauto
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Lord_Kane: I have always been a proponet of doing what you believe in, as a religious person myself.
I'm a religious person as well. And I'll tell you what I've told him:
If you really believe that your cause is important enough that people NEED to listen to what you have to say, then are you really doing your best by doing something that pushes them away even further? Doesn't making a fool of yourself only serve to discredit you and make people listen to you and people who share your viewpoints even less? If you want a more extreme example involving religion:
Who do you think did a better job promoting Christianity: Mr. Rogers, or Fred Phelps?
Who would you listen to - A man on the corner screaming at you with a cardboard sign telling you the world will end, or a man who presents convincing arguments/evidence to back up those arguments and tells you what you need to do to prepare for the end of the world?

He's quite obviously defeating his own purpose. The sad part about it is that he seems completely oblivious to it and is unwilling to listen to anybody who tells him so.
He's not trying to promote a cause. He wants an echo chamber to listen to his own opinion in. He's made that quite clear already unless he has a change of heart somehow.
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Lord_Kane: I have always been a proponet of doing what you believe in, as a religious person myself.
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zeogold: I'm a religious person as well. And I'll tell you what I've told him:
If you really believe that your cause is important enough that people NEED to listen to what you have to say, then are you really doing your best by doing something that pushes them away even further? Doesn't making a fool of yourself only serve to discredit you and make people listen to you and people who share your viewpoints even less? If you want a more extreme example involving religion:
Who do you think did a better job promoting Christianity: Mr. Rogers, or Fred Phelps?
Who would you listen to - A man on the corner screaming at you with a cardboard sign telling you the world will end, or a man who presents convincing arguments/evidence to back up those arguments and tells you what you need to do to prepare for the end of the world?

He's quite obviously defeating his own purpose. The sad part about it is that he seems completely oblivious to it and is unwilling to listen to anybody who tells him so.
He's not trying to promote a cause. He wants an echo chamber to listen to his own opinion in. He's made that quite clear already unless he has a change of heart somehow.
You are religious?What a load of SHIT!
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zeogold: Is it dangerous? Yes, it's dangerous....in excessive amounts. The first link you showed me, the insecticide, is PURE SODIUM FLUORIDE. If you ate that, heck yeah, you'd die. There's a lot of compounds you can die from ingesting. You'd also die if you drank hydrogen peroxide, too, but it's perfectly safe for you to use on your skin.
1 ppm is enough to see sufficient ill effects along with bone deterioration and IQ dropping several points. This isn't in excessive amounts, in fact it's very tiny amounts before it starts affecting you, and badly. Let's not forget they put this in our water. Not only that you may not even know if your water is fluoridated, some states ban it, and some it's by county. Other countries outright ban it.

As for the warning, it's not about eating the entire tube, it's about having as little as a pea-sized portion that you accidentally ingest. But a poison is a poison regardless how much (or little) you consume it.

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zeogold: If we should avoid toothpaste because of the sodium fluoride in it, then perhaps we should avoid apples too? Let's not forget that apples, particularly the seeds, have small amounts of cyanide in them.
Mind you, you'd have to eat about 100 or so apples before you could even get sick from the cyanide, to the point that you'd worry more about the bellyache you'd get just from eating all those apples, but by your standards, it seems we should avoid this dangerous fruit whenever possible.
I'm not sure about you, but the seeds are incredibly hard, and easy to ignore. A little harder than water.

Eating tons of apples you're also likely to have Vitamin D overdoses. But then again 100 apples is a fair sized difference vs 1ppm.

Then of course there's Concentration camps and being used by Nazis to make the prisoners passive.
Even in small quantities, sodium fluoride is a deadly poison to which no effective antidote has been found. Every exterminator knows that it is the most efficient rat-killer. ... Sodium fluoride is entirely different from organic needed by our bodies and provided by nature, in God`s great providence and love, to build and strengthen our bones and our teeth. </div> [url=https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi/]A Harvard study compared Fluoride to the toxic level of lead and mercury.
The average loss in IQ was reported as a standardized weighted mean difference of 0.45, which would be approximately equivalent to seven IQ points for commonly used IQ scores with a standard deviation of 15.* Some studies suggested that even slightly increased fluoride exposure could be toxic to the brain. Thus, children in high-fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ scores than those who lived in low-fluoride areas.

"Fluoride seems to fit in with lead, mercury, and other poisons that cause chemical brain drain,” Grandjean says. “The effect of each toxicant may seem small, but the combined damage on a population scale can be serious, especially because the brain power of the next generation is crucial to all of us.”
The EPA calls it a toxic chemical, code [url=http://www.caslab.com/ERG/Guide-154.php]response guide 154 and the CDC lowered the levels when 2 in 5 children were showing signs of fluoride poisoning. Let's also not forget we put lead into our paint and were putting it on our houses until we ultimately stopped that after something like 40 years.
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rtcvb32: 1 ppm is enough to see sufficient ill effects along with bone deterioration and IQ dropping several points.
This is a study about fetuses and similarly-young developing children. Adults wouldn't be effected so badly.
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rtcvb32: As for the warning, it's not about eating the entire tube, it's about having as little as a pea-sized portion that you accidentally ingest. But a poison is a poison regardless how much (or little) you consume it.
I already told you, you'd get little more than a stomachache from it.
Have you even bothered to look up any information about this at all that doesn't agree with your already-founded opinion?
Try it. I'll start for you by providing you with a link:
http://www.poison.org/articles/2015-dec/toothpaste
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rtcvb32: 1 ppm is enough to see sufficient ill effects along with bone deterioration and IQ dropping several points.
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zeogold: This is a study about fetuses and similarly-young developing children. Adults wouldn't be effected so badly.
So if a pregnant woman is drinking fluoridated water that means....???

Just because the study went to 14 yearold children doesn't mean the effects just stop with adults, that's just where they stopped the study, or where they concentrated efforts. If we assume adults are perfectly untouched that still means the next generation is affected, and possibly badly.

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zeogold: I already told you, you'd get little more than a stomachache from it.
I wonder a chemical that's classified as Toxic & Corrosive means not deadly & reinforces...
Post edited October 29, 2016 by rtcvb32
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rtcvb32: Then of course there's Concentration camps and being used by Nazis to make the prisoners passive.

Even in small quantities, sodium fluoride is a deadly poison to which no effective antidote has been found. Every exterminator knows that it is the most efficient rat-killer. ... Sodium fluoride is entirely different from organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate needed by our bodies and provided by nature, in God`s great providence and love, to build and strengthen our bones and our teeth.
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rtcvb32: A Harvard study compared Fluoride to the toxic level of lead and mercury.

The average loss in IQ was reported as a standardized weighted mean difference of 0.45, which would be approximately equivalent to seven IQ points for commonly used IQ scores with a standard deviation of 15.* Some studies suggested that even slightly increased fluoride exposure could be toxic to the brain. Thus, children in high-fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ scores than those who lived in low-fluoride areas.

"Fluoride seems to fit in with lead, mercury, and other poisons that cause chemical brain drain,” Grandjean says. “The effect of each toxicant may seem small, but the combined damage on a population scale can be serious, especially because the brain power of the next generation is crucial to all of us.”
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rtcvb32: The EPA calls it a toxic chemical, code [url=http://www.caslab.com/ERG/Guide-154.php]response guide 154 and the CDC lowered the levels when 2 in 5 children were showing signs of fluoride poisoning. Let's also not forget we put lead into our paint and were putting it on our houses until we ultimately stopped that after something like 40 years.
First you talk about sodium fluoride toothpaste, now you talk about regular fluoride in water. Care to stick to one subject at a time, or is that too different from your normal style?
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zeogold: This is a study about fetuses and similarly-young developing children. Adults wouldn't be effected so badly.
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rtcvb32: So if a pregnant woman is drinking fluoridated water that means....???
....that she could easily stop doing it by simply switching to bottled water instead of tap water, which is normally used only for washing and other such tasks anyways?
Post edited October 29, 2016 by zeogold
And now apparently we have two of those thread. No, no guys. We totally need to be nice to rtcvb and keep him around. We wouldn't want him feeling like we don't want him around, right? I sure hope he can visit some more threads to preach about the sinister purpose of aglets and whatnot.
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Breja: And now apparently we have two of those thread. No, no guys. We totally need to be nice to rtcvb and keep him around. We wouldn't want him feeling like we don't want him around, right? I sure hope he can visit some more threads to preach about the sinister purpose of aglets and whatnot.
I thought you left? I should of known you would do a tinye backflip.
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zeogold: <snip>
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rtcvb32: And again they don't even look at what i provided/linked. *sigh* whatever.
Y'know, it suddenly dawns on me...why am I even bothering to argue with you on chemicals?
You don't even have the courtesy to address my points about how you act with the arguments (or rather, lack thereof) you provide on your thread!
I was decent enough to look at the information you provided, evaluate it, and offer my analysis of it. You apparently don't consider my points important enough for you to do the same?