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Breja: And now apparently we have two of those thread. No, no guys. We totally need to be nice to rtcvb and keep him around. We wouldn't want him feeling like we don't want him around, right? I sure hope he can visit some more threads to preach about the sinister purpose of aglets and whatnot.
Eh... you started this though, by bringing up the topic here. Otherwise it might be contained in the other thread.

I don't really care what he believes, I think it's a crock of shit myself but if he wants to post about it in his own thread then let him.
What annoys me far more is you and tinyE bringing it up in any thread where he even attempts to answer a question or post on topic.

rtcvb32 is not Tauto, he's not Bradley. Other than posting some questionable beliefs in a thread of his own making he's a decent member of this forum and has been for at least as long as I've been here.

You said yourself earlier that you ignore the gamersgate thread (which is a far worse blight) and the people who post there, so really it seems like you pick on rtcvb32 because he has no one backing him up, because he's an easy target.
You used to be a decent member of this community too, but this kind of shit is Tauto's level.
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Breja: And now apparently we have two of those thread. No, no guys. We totally need to be nice to rtcvb and keep him around. We wouldn't want him feeling like we don't want him around, right? I sure hope he can visit some more threads to preach about the sinister purpose of aglets and whatnot.
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adaliabooks: Eh... you started this though, by bringing up the topic here. Otherwise it might be contained in the other thread.

I don't really care what he believes, I think it's a crock of shit myself but if he wants to post about it in his own thread then let him.
What annoys me far more is you and tinyE bringing it up in any thread where he even attempts to answer a question or post on topic.

rtcvb32 is not Tauto, he's not Bradley. Other than posting some questionable beliefs in a thread of his own making he's a decent member of this forum and has been for at least as long as I've been here.

You said yourself earlier that you ignore the gamersgate thread (which is a far worse blight) and the people who post there, so really it seems like you pick on rtcvb32 because he has no one backing him up, because he's an easy target.
You used to be a decent member of this community too, but this kind of shit is Tauto's level.
Hiya dummy.
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zeogold: First you talk about sodium fluoride toothpaste, now you talk about regular fluoride in water. Care to stick to one subject at a time, or is that too different from your normal style?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation

Water fluoridation is the controlled addition of fluoride to a public water supply to reduce tooth decay
Sorry sounds like the same thing to me.

Sodium Fluoride is the first listed chemical (already mentioned for fluoridation), Then there IS Fluorosilicic acid (also Toxic and Corrosive) , which is a byproduct of fertilizer manufacturing.

Sodium fluorosilicate, which I shall have to keep glancing over for data for it's datasheet before I can tell you more on that.

edit: Glancing over it seems likely Sodium fluorosilicate would be an additive to other fluorides. While it doesn't have the hazard/toxic level of the other two, it's used in glass and/or mining.
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adaliabooks: Eh... you started this though, by bringing up the topic here. Otherwise it might be contained in the other thread.
Actually no, I didn't. It started because TInyE pointed out the irony of rtcvb complaining about spam. That's it. Neither he nor I ever started arguing the conspiracy stuff here.

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adaliabooks: I don't really care what he believes, I think it's a crock of shit myself but if he wants to post about it in his own thread then let him.
What annoys me far more is you and tinyE bringing it up in any thread where he even attempts to answer a question or post on topic.
What annoys me are people like you, who are basically happy to let everything slide because it's easier that way. The guy wants to use our forum as a soapbox for disgusting lies and slander? Well... ok. He's a nice guy outside of being a paranoic lunatic spreading fear and hatred, so why not.

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adaliabooks: You said yourself earlier that you ignore the gamersgate thread (which is a far worse blight) and the people who post there, so really it seems like you pick on rtcvb32 because he has no one backing him up, because he's an easy target.
I also explained the difference between the Gamergate thread and rtcvb's. I guess it didn't fit with the picture of me you are trying to paint, so you ignored it, but I am not going to repeat myself.

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adaliabooks: You used to be a decent member of this community too, but this kind of shit is Tauto's level.
What kind of "shit" exactly? Having a civilised conversation with Lord_Kane? Or stating that I don't want rtcvb's help with anything? Because I don't, and I don't see why I shoud. I think everyone on this forum should make him feel as unwelcome as possible. I'm not going to follow him and troll him, but I don't want him making conversation with me like we're on good terms. He worked hard to lose all of my respect, so that's what he gets.

If you think that makes me a troll like Tauto... I can live what that :P
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Shadowstalker16: A lot of it comes down to how critical you are of sources. A quote may be cited correctly, but the work cited may not itself be properly researched or may be an opinion piece. I asked you earlier in the thread what is it about the cited evidence that makes you think is the undoubted truth.

Again, that's why I ask you to be more detailed and less spammy with your posts. If you're watching and linking everything anyway, then at least put classify some into a group of events / stories that you think are 100% and absolutely true and link and discuss the sources.
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rtcvb32: I try to reference everything that's referenced in the 5 hours covered (and maybe a bit more). Curiously no one is questioning the links/content, they only accuse me of not having read them. In many cases they are attacking over any little thing, like the 28 pages PDF having the title of 'hi' which somehow discredits it and they said it was full of typos; I read through it and found like 3 minor typos (I didn't understand everything but I went through it). Curiously after bringing some of those things up it went totally silent again. Much like fluoride/toothpaste is poisonous and I provide the label warnings on the back that state if you swallow any you should contact poison control... Totally silent...

Some of the proof is also going to be in books and whitepapers that I don't simply have access to right now, and if I did have access to it simply saying 'trust me' isn't going to confide much confidence. This leaves my research to mostly web resources, recent news from Drudge, Breitbart, and other sources.

Ultimately I can only provide what I can provide within the time I can provide it, and learn as I go.
Fluoride is only harmful in large quantities. I looked at the links, and too. Its only harmful if you ingest a lot. If I recall from a TV show on Nat Geo I saw, the invention of toothpaste itself happened when scientists found that a town with a slightly higher than normal fluoride content had lesser cavities than other towns. And that town didn't experience mass deaths or anything.

You should also know that most of creams (whether toothpaste, shaving cream or medical creams) are actually mostly a base of cream or some binding agent, (with soap-additives added in in case of toothpaste) with the main product / agent (ie drug in medicine-creams or fluoride in toothpaste) constituting less than 10% of the makeup.

So there's one of the points you raised addressed (also by zeogold). Fluoride is harmful, but in quantities like that present in toothpaste, its not.
A few days ago I took this out of the original thread. I got called on it by a few people, realized I was way in the wrong, apologized, and agreed to stop doing that. I have held to this and will continue to.

So long as our friend feels the need to spout his poison in his thread I will use his thread to debunk/derail/counter it in anyway I can, but it will not leave that thread.

The rest of you do what you want, god bless. rtcvb32, if you want to report me, try to get me booted, and more than, bring your nonsensical bullshit wining into the rest of the forum, go ahead, I won't stop you, because it's only going to end up hurting you in here.

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ps. "Have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water?"
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Shadowstalker16: Fluoride is only harmful in large quantities.
you mean larger quantities. We're talking parts per million here.

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Shadowstalker16: I looked at the links, and too. Its only harmful if you ingest a lot. If I recall from a TV show on Nat Geo I saw, the invention of toothpaste itself happened when scientists found that a town with a slightly higher than normal fluoride content had lesser cavities than other towns. And that town didn't experience mass deaths or anything.
Having the name fluoride makes it confusing as it had a similar name to another compound, like probably. While one's a natural, the other(s) are byproducts. <div class="quot">NaF is prepared by neutralizing hydrofluoric acid or hexafluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6), byproducts of the reaction of fluorapatite (Ca5(PO4)3F) (from phosphate rock) from the production of superphosphate fertilizer. </div> <div class="quot quot_text normal_color "><div class="small_avatar_2_h"><img src="//images.gog.com/8b671fc3a1ea55ecc7a00043e9c0e961896e40a3c7dbc5d3cbb5bf5bdfee2df4_avm.jpg" width="16" height="16" alt="avatar" /></div><span class="quot_text"><span class="quot_user_name">Shadowstalker16: </span></span>So there's one of the points you raised addressed (also by zeogold). Fluoride is harmful, but in quantities like that present in toothpaste, its not. <a href="http://www.gog.com/forum/general/we_are_under_attack/post2521" class="link_arrow"></a></div> Anything you put in your mouth there's a chance to consume even accidentally. To be honest I don't like the idea of drip feeding myself poison, be it in my toothpaste, or my water, [url=http://brainbender.blogspot.com/2010/07/fluoride-conspiracy.html]or any other source that they decide to put it in. (water 1-6 ppm, powdered eggs 900ppm, toothpaste 1450ppm).

Curiously I bet if they were wanting to put Mercury or Lead in our food/toothpaste/water people would be more outraged. Although I do recall mercury being used in dental work.

Honestly I've been using baking soda (sometimes with coconut oil) to brush my teeth for a while.

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tinyE: So long as our friend feels the need to spout his poison in his thread I will use his thread to debunk/derail/counter it in anyway I can, but it will not leave that thread.
Do you intend to keep dumping wholly useless and unrelated lists of things to do in elevators, books, random history notes and long lists of less-than-subtle direct insults?
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rtcvb32: Do you intend to keep dumping wholly useless and unrelated lists of things to do in elevators, books, random history notes and long lists of less-than-subtle direct insults?
To be honest, I think his lists are much more useful than the endless number of links to the same dubious sites that you post over and over again. These are indeed spam.
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adaliabooks: Eh... you started this though, by bringing up the topic here. Otherwise it might be contained in the other thread.
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Breja: Actually no, I didn't. It started because TInyE pointed out the irony of rtcvb complaining about spam. That's it. Neither he nor I ever started arguing the conspiracy stuff here.
Fair enough, but your continued discourse with Lord_Kane about him and what he's been saying was what turned this thread into the same kind of discussion, which you then complained about.

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Breja: What annoys me are people like you, who are basically happy to let everything slide because it's easier that way. The guy wants to use our forum as a soapbox for disgusting lies and slander? Well... ok. He's a nice guy outside of being a paranoic lunatic spreading fear and hatred, so why not.
Why the hell not? Everyone else does. From pro or anti Trump stuff (which seems to have died down), posts about terrorism or Brexit, even anti Steam and DRM stuff (though on a much smaller and less relevant level) half the forum is lies and slander.
If moderating this stuff had any hopes of succeeding than I'd say fill your boots, but it doesn't. Bradley's still here, crossmando is still here, infinite8 is still here, ciomaliu pops up now and again.
I'd just like to be able to read a thread, any thread, without all the other shit spilling over into it.

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adaliabooks: You said yourself earlier that you ignore the gamersgate thread (which is a far worse blight) and the people who post there, so really it seems like you pick on rtcvb32 because he has no one backing him up, because he's an easy target.
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Breja: I also explained the difference between the Gamergate thread and rtcvb's. I guess it didn't fit with the picture of me you are trying to paint, so you ignored it, but I am not going to repeat myself.
So ones to do with games and the other is to do with world affairs, the people and points being made are still awful. I will admit to not following much of the Infowars thread (it's a waste of life as far as I'm concerned) so I don't know the extent of what is being said / claimed there but most of it seems to be the usual conspiracy theory stuff that regularly gets tossed about. Whereas the gamersgate stuff is a toxic hellhole of bigots who seem far more successful at corrupting others to their point of view (and honestly, that description basically applies to both sides of the debate as far as I'm concerned). To me that's far worse.

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adaliabooks: You used to be a decent member of this community too, but this kind of shit is Tauto's level.
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Breja: What kind of "shit" exactly? Having a civilised conversation with Lord_Kane? Or stating that I don't want rtcvb's help with anything? Because I don't, and I don't see why I shoud. I think everyone on this forum should make him feel as unwelcome as possible. I'm not going to follow him and troll him, but I don't want him making conversation with me like we're on good terms. He worked hard to lose all of my respect, so that's what he gets.

If you think that makes me a troll like Tauto... I can live what that :P
You say you're not going to follow and troll him... but from what I can see that's exactly what you do. Every thread he posts in you mock him or bring up the infowars thread (not just you I will add), and it's getting a bit tired.
It's like dtgreene shoehorning gender equality into every single topic possible.
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adaliabooks: Fair enough, but your continued discourse with Lord_Kane about him and what he's been saying was what turned this thread into the same kind of discussion, which you then complained about.
Actually that discourse included only three posts from me and ended FIVE DAYS AGO and rtcvb decided to discuss fluoride here today for reasons that totally escape me.

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adaliabooks: From pro or anti Trump stuff (which seems to have died down), posts about terrorism or Brexit, even anti Steam and DRM stuff (though on a much smaller and less relevant level) half the forum is lies and slander.
At least in most cases there are actuall discussions of those points. In rtcvb's case there is no discussion, he just spams and spams and spam the links. He doesn't want to discuss anything (which the forum is for) but to use spread his lies, and that is not what a forum is for. That's what he can get a blog for or a tumblr or whatever people use these days.

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adaliabooks: You say you're not going to follow and troll him... but from what I can see that's exactly what you do. Every thread he posts in you mock him or bring up the infowars thread (not just you I will add), and it's getting a bit tired.
No, I don't. I only did it in the thread I made to ask for advice, because I don't want his help, and him talking to me, like I just explained. Everywhere else I just ignore him, and I just want him to do the same. Here I only entered the conversation on the subject because it was already going on.
Post edited October 29, 2016 by Breja
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rtcvb32: 1.You mean larger quantities. We're talking parts per million here.


2..Having the name fluoride makes it confusing as it had a similar name to another compound, like calcium-fluoro-phosphate probably. While one's a natural, the other(s) are byproducts.

NaF is prepared by neutralizing hydrofluoric acid or hexafluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6), byproducts of the reaction of fluorapatite (Ca5(PO4)3F) (from phosphate rock) from the production of superphosphate fertilizer.
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rtcvb32: 3.Anything you put in your mouth there's a chance to consume even accidentally. To be honest I don't like the idea of drip feeding myself poison, be it in my toothpaste, or my water, or any other source that they decide to put it in. (water 1-6 ppm, powdered eggs 900ppm, toothpaste 1450ppm).

Curiously I bet if they were wanting to put Mercury or Lead in our food/toothpaste/water people would be more outraged. Although I do recall mercury being used in dental work.

Honestly I've been using baking soda (sometimes with coconut oil) to brush my teeth for a while.
Most likely it is used as a preservative? It being used in tea is probably due to it being a pesticide component, as the link you posted said. As for their use in powdered eggs (wtf even is that?), its most likely some preservative?

But yeah, there's one thing where you gotta agree you were quick to judge; fluoride.

There are many home-made toothpaste recipes on the internet, you can look them up. Adding some salt and something to make it smell nice would be great too. Where I come from, people use(d) charcoal, fresh Neem-tree twigs for dental hygiene as well.
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adaliabooks: I don't really care what he believes, I think it's a crock of shit myself but if he wants to post about it in his own thread then let him.
What annoys me far more is you and tinyE bringing it up in any thread where he even attempts to answer a question or post on topic.
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Breja: What annoys me are people like you, who are basically happy to let everything slide because it's easier that way. The guy wants to use our forum as a soapbox for disgusting lies and slander? Well... ok. He's a nice guy outside of being a paranoic lunatic spreading fear and hatred, so why not.
..."our forum"?
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Look, as much as I'm irritated with rt's willful ignorance of anything that goes against what he says, Adalia has a point. If he's posting on topic, let him be. If you hate him that much while he's posting on topic, ignore him.
"letting everything slide"
Yeah, well..there's a lot of people in this forum who should've been kicked out or at least temp-banned years ago. Infinte9, ciomalau, Tauto, etc. And this isn't even including the people who are just in the "general moron" category., which, let's be honest, we've all dipped into at one point in time (the difference being that these particular people, such as rt, dtgreene, TStael, etc. continue to stay there). As Adalia already pointed out, maybe if there were mods, we could do something about it. But for now, not really. And lashing out against them isn't really effective, as they've already proven.
At least rt isn't as bad as some of the other alternatives. He has no logic to him and everybody realizes his info tends to be bunk, but at least he's a milder sort of troll. I look at him like dtgreene: Obsessed with one subject, fails to understand that subject, and is completely incapable of listening to others or accepting otherwise due to some form of incapacitation, whether it be willful or some psychological problem. Pretty much everybody who's seen him before knows this, and if they don't, somebody will pretty quickly even out the score.
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adaliabooks: Fair enough, but your continued discourse with Lord_Kane about him and what he's been saying was what turned this thread into the same kind of discussion, which you then complained about.
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Breja: Actually that discourse included only three posts from me and ended FIVE DAYS AGO and rtcvb decided to discuss fluoride here today for reasons that totally escape me.
I'm happy to discuss stuff in a civil matter, but I will ignore posts that are more negative towards me (which may explain a few which I have not replied to).

Fluoride was brought up as examples of things that so called 'discussions' weren't taking place and instead totally being ignored. Much like the benefits of sugar in the 70's it's come out with many conflicting and otherwise totally false studies that tell a different story (some decades later); Sodium Fluoride is the same way where those with more fluoride in their water actually have more cavities than those that don't. But this is less about discussions of the benefits and drawbacks (say gas vs ethanol), it's more of if the substance has any beneficial use at all (which it doesn't really look like) vs if we should be using it on ourselves.
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rtcvb32: I'm happy to discuss stuff in a civil matter, but I will ignore posts that are more negative towards me (which may explain a few which I have not replied to).
I've had many, many civil posts of mine which you've completely ignored. More and more people are being negative towards you for the same reason:
You only listen to what you want to listen to, therefore everyone's completely losing their patience and treating you like a troll.
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rtcvb32: Fluoride was brought up as examples of things that so called 'discussions' weren't taking place and instead totally being ignored.
Would you like me to link you all the things that YOU ignored?
If you ignore us, why should we actually bother to discuss your arguments?
If you want people to show you respect, show them some respect first.
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rtcvb32: I'm happy to discuss stuff in a civil matter, but I will ignore posts that are more negative towards me (which may explain a few which I have not replied to).
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zeogold: I've had many, many civil posts of mine which you've completely ignored. More and more people are being negative towards you for the same reason:
You only listen to what you want to listen to, therefore everyone's completely losing their patience and treating you like a troll.
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rtcvb32: Fluoride was brought up as examples of things that so called 'discussions' weren't taking place and instead totally being ignored.
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zeogold: Would you like me to link you all the things that YOU ignored?
If you ignore us, why should we actually bother to discuss your arguments?
If you want people to show you respect, show them some respect first.
SHUT UP TROLL!
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