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General discussionWARNING: GamersGate's DRM Free games are NOT REALLY DRM FREE!!!(313 posts)(313 posts)
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Posted March 17, 2010
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lerker: Security clearance of some kind in order to obtain a game is not DRM.
Security clearance of some kind in order to install or play a game is DRM.

Well, there you go folks. About the best way this whole thread could be concluded right there.
Posted March 17, 2010
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Orryyrro: I defy you to get to gog.com without a "client" (browser), and as I already pointed out you aren't allowed to resell your game, which is actually a right, albeit one which video game companies mercilessly revoke, so gog indeed is DRM, as is the EULA that the large majority of games have.

The inability to resell a game doens't hamper the use of your product, it hampers your rights as a consumer to resell that product, and that's a different ball game, but i agree that it's an important issue that probably should be factored in into every DRM discussion and more often than not it isn't. If you factor that one in, then there's no such thing as DRM free, if you don't factor it in, then DRM free means gog.
I don't get that one about the browser, and i don't see what is has to do with anything. If you're trying to pass the download via browser as DRM on a digital distribution platform, please, gimme a break.
Posted March 17, 2010
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Orryyrro: Actually, it breaks copy-right law.

US. Not Poland. If you buy from Poland then you deal with their legal system. But by all means level that argument against Steam.
Posted March 17, 2010
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Orryyrro: US. Not Poland. If you buy from Poland then you deal with their legal system. But by all means level that argument against Steam.
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Navagon: Copy-right laws apply to the country you are in, not the country you buy from.
EDIT:To clarify, gog has to make it possible for US and Canada (I'm sure there are other countries too) residents to be able to resell the games.
Post edited March 17, 2010 by Orryyrro
Posted March 17, 2010
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Orryyrro: Copy-right laws apply to the country you are in, not the country you buy from.

Poland is under no obligation to comply with US copyright law. They are not breaking it. The very suggestion is absurd. Don't like it? Don't buy another game from a digital distribution platform outside the US. Although you might want to not that the US digital distribution platforms pay no more attention to that law.
Posted March 17, 2010
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Orryyrro: Hence it manages your digital rights, hence it is DRM. Albeit highly non-invasive DRM, but they do ask you to sign your rights away when you install.

It doesn't manage anything, there is nothing in the game itself preventing from reselling the game should want to.
If you buy an old Vinyl LP disk it's written everywhere "don't make illegal copy of this disk", do you consider that as a DRM just because it limit your right of making copy of it ?
Posted March 17, 2010
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Orryyrro: Copy-right laws apply to the country you are in, not the country you buy from.
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Navagon: Poland is under no obligation to comply with US copyright law. They are not breaking it. The very suggestion is absurd. Don't like it? Don't buy another game from a digital distribution platform outside the US. Although you might want to not that the US digital distribution platforms pay no more attention to that law.

Yes, and I'm by no means bound to not re-sell my games. (possible if I were to say, buy each game on a separate account and sell the accounts) Not that I am advocating this, I actually have no intent of re-selling, since I like to hoard things, it's just that gog could not legally sue me for such an action unless I were to go to Poland.
Posted March 17, 2010
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Orryyrro: Yes, and I'm by no means bound to not re-sell my games. (possible if I were to say, buy each game on a separate account and sell the accounts) Not that I am advocating this, I actually have no intent of re-selling, since I like to hoard things, it's just that gog could not legally sue me for such an action unless I were to go to Poland.

It's worth pointing out that you can't actually resell accounts unless given permission to do so. That goes for the vast majority of gaming accounts.
Posted March 17, 2010
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Orryyrro: It's worth pointing out that you can't actually resell accounts unless given permission to do so. That goes for the vast majority of gaming accounts.
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Navagon: Yes it is, but so long as it stands in the way of my rights it isn't illegal. Same as it is legal to kill someone if they're standing in the way of my right to live e.g. have a gun pointed at me.(provided it is pointed for an illegal reason, such as holding up a store or something)
See, I have the right to re-sell any software, and if the ONLY way to sell all my copies of it is to sell my account then I have the right to sell my account since it is one of the copies of the software, see how that works?
EDIT: and in Canada you have to sell either all or none of the copies, so I legally have to be able to sell the game tied to my account.
Post edited March 17, 2010 by Orryyrro
Posted March 17, 2010
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lerker: Security clearance of some kind in order to obtain a game is not DRM.
Security clearance of some kind in order to install or play a game is DRM.

I was going to write a two paragraph post that would make the same point that you managed to explain in two sentences. Well done, sir! +1
Posted March 17, 2010
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Orryyrro: Hence it manages your digital rights, hence it is DRM. Albeit highly non-invasive DRM, but they do ask you to sign your rights away when you install.
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Gersen: It doesn't manage anything, there is nothing in the game itself preventing from reselling the game should want to.
If you buy an old Vinyl LP disk it's written everywhere "don't make illegal copy of this disk", do you consider that as a DRM just because it limit your right of making copy of it ?

No, because vinyl LP's are analogue, not digital. But you still do have the right to copy an LP in Canada.
Posted March 17, 2010
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Orryyrro: No, because vinyl LP's are analogue, not digital.

Yeah I know... you can call that an ARM instead if you perfer :-)
Posted March 17, 2010
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Orryyrro: No, because vinyl LP's are analogue, not digital.
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Gersen: Yeah I know... you can call that an ARM instead if you perfer :-)

Also, you know, you don't have the right to make illegal copies of anything, because they're illegal, note it says "Do not make illegal copies of this disk" not: "do not make any copies of this disk" so it doesn't manage your rights in any way, you can make legal copies to your heart's content.
Posted March 17, 2010
Wow. I really don't ever want to see Gundato say something along the lines of...
"DRM," "buzzword," "I'm only saying GOG is DRM to prove a point," or "this isn't really that big of a deal but I make the point every time the topic comes up, completely destroying the discussion," ever again.
Posted March 17, 2010
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PhoenixWright: Wow. I really don't ever want to see Gundato say something along the lines of...
"DRM," "buzzword," "I'm only saying GOG is DRM to prove a point," or "this isn't really that big of a deal but I make the point every time the topic comes up, completely destroying the discussion," ever again.

LOL . . .=)
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