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Posted November 24, 2014
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Senteria: If that is all correct, I wonder why you take our store credits away after a year.
Some sort of legal requirement. Maybe they'll be forced to pay taxes on it or something. It's not just GOG, an online service I use says they "will be forced to cancel and refund" subscriptions which extend beyond one year.
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Nirth: I just have to ask because I'm curious. Does it mean that if you are younger than 18 you technically don't own the account you have signed up here including legally purchased games? (Let's assume that internet transaction is possible in this case even if you are younger than 18). If that is true, than who owns your account?
You "own" it in the same sense adults "own" their accounts, but your parent or guardian should consent to it.
Post edited November 24, 2014 by Starmaker
Posted November 24, 2014
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RWarehall: The only big thing I see is the 5 gifts per day limit. I'd like to know more about that. I know that during some of these big sales, I gift myself codes for future giveaways. Am I limited to 5 gifts to myself?
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real.geizterfahr: This! Preparing my 100 giveaway I bought 10-20 gift codes a day. When Nordic left the catalog I bought 14 gifts on one day. So how does this "5 gifts a day" limit work exactly?
yes? i also wonder ... never gifted so far but the gifts are also paid for ? so why the sudden change?

I dont get that.... thats kinda weird ....

were already here because of good old games, no DRM (meaning no restrictions) and now most of the users here will be kinda limited/restricted to... thats odd....
Post edited November 24, 2014 by gamesfreak64
Posted November 24, 2014
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Wurzelkraft: Why the hell would you limit gifting?
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PaterAlf: Because of regional pricing?
This. That and the 'Don't use VPN' etc is probably aimed at limiting abuse of the regional prices and the inevitable regional traders that will pop up. Why pay full price for Witcher 3 after all when a Russian can just buy it for less than $15 and sell it to you for a little more than that.

Restrictions were bound to happen with regional pricing. That and they need to force regional sales to be able to offer regional deals, something they found out with Witcher 2 when they were forced to actively Geo IP their users rather than just let them set their own country on the fly.
Post edited November 24, 2014 by Pheace
Posted November 24, 2014
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Senteria: If that is all correct, I wonder why you take our store credits away after a year.
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Starmaker: Some sort of legal requirement. Maybe they'll be forced to pay taxes on it or something. It's not just GOG, an online service I use says they "will be forced to cancel and refund" subscriptions which extend beyond one year.
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Nirth: I just have to ask because I'm curious. Does it mean that if you are younger than 18 you technically don't own the account you have signed up here including legally purchased games? (Let's assume that internet transaction is possible in this case even if you are younger than 18). If that is true, than who owns your account?
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Starmaker: You "own" it in the same sense adults "own" their accounts, but your parent or guardian should consent to it.
true.... but i think in the netherlands this is more a 'technicality' ... if i had minors i would already know what they used there pc for... so... the point is to 'cover' themselves I guess... but this under 13 stuff is all over the internet
no one reads it, i think most europeans just laugh and press go on or continue :D
I never read TOS/TERMS etc etc unless they say there changed then i read them thorugh, only 1 time and thats it, cause usually when 1 sites had new ones the rest follow like sheep, so its a international online thing....

why do i never read those stuff: simply i am old enough to know what is and what is not possible, i know that all must behave ect etc etc ... so i dont read that stuff

I only read manuals and pc magazines :D
Posted November 24, 2014
I'll have to take some time to read these documents and return with any questions and/ or comments.


At the moment I'd like to propose to make this thread a Sticky or make it visible that it's a GOG.com thread so people can easily find it and get their chance to ask questions and comment, though the latter is pretty meaningless, as with all such agreements it's "if you continue to use the site you have agreed".

Thanks for the heads up though.
Posted November 24, 2014
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PaterAlf: Because of regional pricing?
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Pheace: This. That and the 'Don't use VPN' etc is probably aimed at limiting abuse of the regional prices and the inevitable regional traders that will pop up. Why pay full price for Witcher 3 after all when a Russian can just buy it for less than $15 and sell it to you for a little more than that.

Restrictions were bound to happen with regional pricing. That and they need to force regional sales to be able to offer regional deals, something they found out with Witcher 2 when they were forced to actively Geo IP their users rather than just let them set their own country on the fly.
right.... VPN
VPN was to kinda 'protect' your internetsurfing BUT as with all good things VPN is so heavily abused by bad people.....
some use to keep returning from fora they were banned from... i know that cause in the past long time ago(10 years or so) i been mod and i had to ban lots of those, but these kept coming back because of that VPN and proxy stuff...
some abused VPN to creat multiple accounts while the terms stated 1 account per user, but VPN is too hard to shut out... so thats why i stopped modding.
Post edited November 24, 2014 by gamesfreak64
Posted November 24, 2014
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Pheace: This. That and the 'Don't use VPN' etc is probably aimed at limiting abuse of the regional prices and the inevitable regional traders that will pop up. Why pay full price for Witcher 3 after all when a Russian can just buy it for less than $15 and sell it to you for a little more than that.

Restrictions were bound to happen with regional pricing. That and they need to force regional sales to be able to offer regional deals, something they found out with Witcher 2 when they were forced to actively Geo IP their users rather than just let them set their own country on the fly.
I like the irony though. GOG is obviously located in Poland and yet they do all of their tax/money stuff from Cyprus but they take offense if one uses a VPN? I love double standards. Just a little food for thought.
Post edited November 24, 2014 by Wurzelkraft
Posted November 24, 2014
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HypersomniacLive: I'll have to take some time to read these documents and return with any questions and/ or comments.

At the moment I'd like to propose to make this thread a Sticky or make it visible that it's a GOG.com thread so people can easily find it and get their chance to ask questions and comment, though the latter is pretty meaningless, as with all such agreements it's "if you continue to use the site you have agreed".

Thanks for the heads up though.
I understand you do, but if you played online games from gameforge or other european countries, it 99% all the same story...
Like i said i never read them, there to long.... I read them once, and only read again when theres news that they have been /will be changed as of a certain date... after that its no read from any tos/terms until tehres agaian a new tos and terms, never read the tos from the setup/installers from programs :D

As long as i dont get a fellow at the door, saying hi you dont know me but i do know you my good sir, I am from that gamesite you buy games from, or from that site you play minecraft, cause then i'd call the police :D hahahaha
and sew them for violation of privacy.....

well this sounds all funny but as long as they collect ip (even the chickens like IP and mail collecting)and love placing cookies on my pc (i check all cookies on my pc )
its okay with me :D
Posted November 24, 2014
I'm sure your legal team is much smarter than I (in fact I know they are, but posting in case it helps):

3.3 might need a statement differentiating between gifting games I bought for myself and gifting games I bought as gifts. Some may interpret 3.3 as, I can give away copies of games I bought. I don't think the "personal to you" comment covers it very well.

I'm also curious about the gifting limit. I don't have a problem with it, but am curious anyway ;)
Posted November 24, 2014
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Pheace: This. That and the 'Don't use VPN' etc is probably aimed at limiting abuse of the regional prices and the inevitable regional traders that will pop up. Why pay full price for Witcher 3 after all when a Russian can just buy it for less than $15 and sell it to you for a little more than that.

Restrictions were bound to happen with regional pricing. That and they need to force regional sales to be able to offer regional deals, something they found out with Witcher 2 when they were forced to actively Geo IP their users rather than just let them set their own country on the fly.
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Wurzelkraft: I like the irony though. GOG is obviously located in Poland and yet they do all of their tax/money stuff from Cyprus but they take offense if one uses a VPN? I love double standards. Just a little food for thought.
cyprus? Greece?
better climate? i dont know
greece has euros.... strange that poland still hasn got euros
almost every country in the 'neighborhood' is joinig the european EURO zone , we have 24 countries already i thought
so why not more :D

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hucklebarry: I'm sure your legal team is much smarter than I (in fact I know they are, but posting in case it helps):

3.3 might need a statement differentiating between gifting games I bought for myself and gifting games I bought as gifts. Some may interpret 3.3 as, I can give away copies of games I bought. I don't think the "personal to you" comment covers it very well.

I'm also curious about the gifting limit. I don't have a problem with it, but am curious anyway ;)
same here, dont have a problem i never gift and if i gift then 5 a day would suffice (be enough or adequate)
Post edited November 24, 2014 by gamesfreak64
Posted November 24, 2014
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gamesfreak64: cyprus? Greece?
better climate? i dont know
greece has euros.... strange that poland still hasn got euros
almost every country in the 'neighborhood' is joinig the european EURO zone , we have 24 countries already i thought
so why not more :D
Cyprus once was a tax haven. I'm not sure if it still is by now (I doubt it) but that was GOG's reason to run their legal and financial business from there.
Posted November 24, 2014
Public profiles are coming? That should make a lot of people happy, given how heavily GOGWiki is used for that purpose.

Section 9.1 of the privacy policy is a bit awkward to read - it appears to suggest that saving game progress to your GOG account means consenting for GOG to give your email address to third parties. That can't be right. I understand that GOG has no responsibility over information that we ourselves provide to third parties, and that GOG won't provide information about users without consent, but what information is up for giving consent?

Overall, looks good so far :)


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gamesfreak64: yes? i also wonder ... never gifted so far but the gifts are also paid for ? so why the sudden change?

I dont get that.... thats kinda weird ....

were already here because of good old games, no DRM (meaning no restrictions) and now most of the users here will be kinda limited/restricted to... thats odd....
Maybe damage mitigation, in case someone gets onto your accounts and redeems all the gift codes you have.
Posted November 24, 2014
6.6 this is a personal preference, but I would remove the 'how-to' for those that may not have already known a possible exploit.
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6.7 talks about refunds and the language indicates what can happen to essentially void the chance for a refund. (i.e. downloading the game or streaming the movie).

6.9 talks about bonus codes (credit) and how you can lose those if you "return" the product.

I would suggest adding to 6.7 that use of any bonus codes or credit from an associated product ALSO voids the refund opportunity since it can no longer be retrieved from the user once they use it.
Post edited November 24, 2014 by user deleted
Posted November 24, 2014
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Barefoot_Monkey: Public profiles are coming? That should make a lot of people happy, given how heavily GOGWiki is used for that purpose.

Section 9.1 of the privacy policy is a bit awkward to read - it appears to suggest that saving game progress to your GOG account means consenting for GOG to give your email address to third parties. That can't be right. I understand that GOG has no responsibility over information that we ourselves provide to third parties, and that GOG won't provide information about users without consent, but what information is up for giving consent?

Overall, looks good so far :)

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gamesfreak64: yes? i also wonder ... never gifted so far but the gifts are also paid for ? so why the sudden change?

I dont get that.... thats kinda weird ....

were already here because of good old games, no DRM (meaning no restrictions) and now most of the users here will be kinda limited/restricted to... thats odd....
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Barefoot_Monkey: Maybe damage mitigation, in case someone gets onto your accounts and redeems all the gift codes you have.
... in case someone gets onto your accounts and redeems all the gift codes you have.

-> aha.... well assuming that:

there is no breach in GOG, or being attacked
NOONE guesses the PW i make they are impossible to remember or to guess because they are illogical
goes for all online accounts i have
i dont know any pw by head, its impossible .... cause they simply dont make sense

noone will spends days on that , i think they rather try a bank acces then game accounts :D
Post edited November 25, 2014 by gamesfreak64
Posted November 24, 2014
This is another personal preference / hope of mine. I was really hoping that GOG would head towards true store credit. As in, I apply cash to my account where I can buy games from my account credit. (I.E. like prepaid game cards or paypal transfers). If you accepted that (and I really hope you do), then this policy would not be acceptable. I understand expiring free game offers, but not true cash.

"Store Credit
is valid for one
year
from the most recent purchase that gave you Store
Credit (so any new purchase resulting in you getting
Store Credit will refresh the expir
ation date of your Store
Credit balance).
GOG
.com
may implement additional
rules on the use and amount of
Store Credit
and Bonus
Codes in the future. "
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