You can believe that all you like, but it doesn't trump international law.

If your vampire masters throw to you the bigger leftovers than our vampire masters do, this does not mean that you live in prosperity and we live in poverty.

You should agree that the existing system is cannibalistic no matter what country we take as an example - USA, Russia, China or North Corea. You get the computer drawn zeros as your salary and you have an illusion of your influence on events through "elections" and other sparkling baubles. If you decide to get out of this system - you will be caught and installed back. Your "richness" often could be poorer than my "poverty".
Voluntary educational debilitation - slave must be ignorant. Rampant consumerism - slave must spend his time (free from toiling) to chase the things that he was told he needs. Child-free ideology and the cult of career - number of slaves must not exceed the amount needed to maintain the system and the innoxious amount in cases of rare feeble riots.

Read Ray Bradbury. IMO, the one of the last GREAT Americans.

It's not belief, it's knowledge.

Once someone asked Carl Gustav Jung (the great psychologist, Freud's apprentice), does he believe in God. Jung answered: I don't need to believe, I do know.

Like I said, I lived in the former USSR for a while. I know the differences quite intimately. I find value in both lifestyles for sure, but you act so superior to our evil consumerism which is pretty ignorant really. There are vast rewards, rewards most people feel are worth the trade-off.

In either case neither is wrong or right, simply different. You should remember that when you get that rhetoric really flowing.

Alas, difference is delusive here, that what I'm talking about. We both are slaves, if you like it or not. To argue about the grades of shit - no, thank you.

Not always, they could overestimate same time. Rough estimate according to cartographers are reverced, 2500 instead of 15000 and 24000 instead of 3000. You could decide what they just did a typo and its 3000 and 15000, just wrongly attributed, if you want.

Ah, Matrichus, Aver etc. Enjoy the true example of source of democratic power here now.. You have to deal with all this stuff, as its all sincere and reflect the what people want and get. Trust us.

I don't know how many people were on "March for peace", but photos look impressive:
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/444801547952615424/photo/1

Definitely better that those taken on march supporting intervention in Crimea:
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/444811848127229952/photo/1

Photos are taken by Putin's television, so I guess that there is no anti-Putin propaganda there.

WTF? Those guys that are all dressed in the same uniform marching in formations are "various ordinary people"? But thousands of random people in normal clothes are puppets hired by western countries?

Are you freaking serious? And you even added "So your opinion just show your biased way of seeing things". This is just too hilarious.

Sure, let's draw the genetics back to the monkeys or Adam and Eve, whatever the preference. That would also be one nation. Language cannot be easily made up, let alone made up by a single man. It is a thing that depends on people and develops with them for centuries.

Whatever the case it is a small price for all the famines and genocides of the centuries. Even commies recognized the land not as Russian Soviet Republic, but as Ukrainian Soviet Republic.

And who said that ukrainian nationalism is formed only on negation?
I do realise that the roots of Russia and Ukraine are the same, but it doesn't mean that the future should be same too. Do you really think that "nation" is something that can hold on for centuries and millenias without change, division and mixing? And I personally don't limit the word "ukrainian" to a nation. It is a citizenship.

Plots are something that we can speculate on, but no nothing about them.

Yet the fools are numerous.

All the "revolutions" are a struggle for power. We can dream all we like about throwing off tyrants and thieves by people alone, but someone always rides the wave and fills the power vacuum.

And those who organized the demonstration have no reason to lie, huh? :-)
The fact in what both sides agree is they were going to have up to 50,000 and wouldn't it be a little embarrassing if when "D-day, H-hour came" it turned out that they have... well, overestimated the popularity of their "Peace March".
It would be much easier for me if I saw that demonstration myself, but alas, all I can do now is try to check who got "a little carried away in their claims".

Why, that's simple: I think I need to see the sources of this info. Who claims who went where, when and why. :-)

Just to clarify things as you two clearly show what you are unaware about meaning of the number you are discussing. Aforementioned 50000 is the number, exceeding of what would mean fine or some other possible penalty for organisers in this certain case. Thats all.

Fines for demonstrations are not allowed by The United Nations Human Rights Treaties also signed by Russia so that is not an issue at all. If this is true what you are saying about the limit of number of people on demonstrations then Russia is again breaking another of treatie it has signed. Just to clarify since you don't seem to understand what an international treaty is. An international treaty is an agreement that precedes every constitution in any state on this planet and it can not be ignored since that would mean anarchy and serious treaty breach which would make that country untrustworthy and isolated.

Congrats man, you just finally ruined my naive believe in humans as sentient self-developing beings and any hope for the future of humankind. 4 such guys in the row is simply too much. I dont even care if you Trust Us or not anymore for you too.

Ah well damn, i forgot what its a game forum with kids (and one guy with 90-years-old father), should realize that for quite some pages before, my bad.

Guess I'll have to try to explain this one.
The organizers of the demonstration do have to warn the authorities how many people they plan to gather -- so the route of the demonstration could be made secure. If you exceed that limit, there might be problems with ensuring safety of the demonstration and nobody wants that. So they could've declared that their march is planned to gather "50,000 or less" so the route for them would be cleared and other preparations for that amount could be made.

Ok I understand the reasoning behind this and this is good since it makes people safe. The only problem is that there is no way to really be sure if there is going to be more or less people then 50.000. The other guy should really not comment if he is not fluent enough that other people can understand him.

We have different regulation here. The demonstration needs to be registered at the police so they automatically protect the demonstrators. The organizators of the protest always have to provide private security forces to protect the demonstrators against other demonstrators. The organizaters of the demonstrations can be only fined if they don't registrate the demonstration with the police and the size of the demonstration is not important.