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Rodor: 1) There's NO Russian, Ukranian and Belorussian nationality, they are the ONE divided nation. They have ONE generic genetics, history AND LANGUAGE. "Ukranian language" is an artificial thing mostly made by Shevchenko (although his personal diary is written in pure "russian").
You can believe that all you like, but it doesn't trump international law.
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StingingVelvet: Rampant consumerism certainly has its downsides, but I would take it over poverty damn near every day of the week
If your vampire masters throw to you the bigger leftovers than our vampire masters do, this does not mean that you live in prosperity and we live in poverty.

You should agree that the existing system is cannibalistic no matter what country we take as an example - USA, Russia, China or North Corea. You get the computer drawn zeros as your salary and you have an illusion of your influence on events through "elections" and other sparkling baubles. If you decide to get out of this system - you will be caught and installed back. Your "richness" often could be poorer than my "poverty".
Voluntary educational debilitation - slave must be ignorant. Rampant consumerism - slave must spend his time (free from toiling) to chase the things that he was told he needs. Child-free ideology and the cult of career - number of slaves must not exceed the amount needed to maintain the system and the innoxious amount in cases of rare feeble riots.

Read Ray Bradbury. IMO, the one of the last GREAT Americans.

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Rodor: 1) There's NO Russian, Ukranian and Belorussian nationality, they are the ONE divided nation. They have ONE generic genetics, history AND LANGUAGE. "Ukranian language" is an artificial thing mostly made by Shevchenko (although his personal diary is written in pure "russian").
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StingingVelvet: You can believe that all you like, but it doesn't trump international law.
It's not belief, it's knowledge.

Once someone asked Carl Gustav Jung (the great psychologist, Freud's apprentice), does he believe in God. Jung answered: I don't need to believe, I do know.
Post edited March 15, 2014 by Rodor
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Rodor: If your vampire masters throw to you the bigger leftovers than our vampire masters do, this does not mean that you live in prosperity and we live in poverty.

You should agree that the existing system is cannibalistic no matter what country we take as an example - USA, Russia, China or North Corea. You get the computer drawn zeros as your salary and you have an illusion of your influence on events through "elections" and other sparkling baubles. If you decide to get out of this system - you will be caught and installed back. Your "richness" often could be poorer than my "poverty".
Like I said, I lived in the former USSR for a while. I know the differences quite intimately. I find value in both lifestyles for sure, but you act so superior to our evil consumerism which is pretty ignorant really. There are vast rewards, rewards most people feel are worth the trade-off.

In either case neither is wrong or right, simply different. You should remember that when you get that rhetoric really flowing.
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StingingVelvet: In either case neither is wrong or right, simply different
Alas, difference is delusive here, that what I'm talking about. We both are slaves, if you like it or not. To argue about the grades of shit - no, thank you.
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Matruchus: Yeah it was said 3.000 people by russian police and we always know that police in every country always downplays the actual numbers of protesters. Organizators of the protest counted 50.000 and several other organizations that were present.
Not always, they could overestimate same time. Rough estimate according to cartographers are reverced, 2500 instead of 15000 and 24000 instead of 3000. You could decide what they just did a typo and its 3000 and 15000, just wrongly attributed, if you want.

Ah, Matrichus, Aver etc. Enjoy the true example of source of democratic power here now.. You have to deal with all this stuff, as its all sincere and reflect the what people want and get. Trust us.
Post edited March 15, 2014 by DarzaR
I don't know how many people were on "March for peace", but photos look impressive:
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/444801547952615424/photo/1

Definitely better that those taken on march supporting intervention in Crimea:
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/444811848127229952/photo/1

Photos are taken by Putin's television, so I guess that there is no anti-Putin propaganda there.
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Aver: I don't know how many people were on "March for peace", but photos look impressive:
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/444801547952615424/photo/1

Definitely better that those taken on march supporting intervention in Crimea:
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/444811848127229952/photo/1

Photos are taken by Putin's television, so I guess that there is no anti-Putin propaganda there.
You can clearly see what people on first photo are simply some puppets bought by West for some foul play, and on second is just various ordinary people, who sincerely and spontaneously came to express theyr civic solidarity and deep care with their brothers abroad. So your opinion just show your biased way of seeing things.
Post edited March 16, 2014 by DarzaR
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DarzaR: You can clearly see what people on first photo are simply some puppets bought by West for some foul play, and on second is just various ordinary people, who sincerely came to express theyr civic solidarity with theyr brothers abroad. So your opinion just show your biased way of seeing things.
WTF? Those guys that are all dressed in the same uniform marching in formations are "various ordinary people"? But thousands of random people in normal clothes are puppets hired by western countries?

Are you freaking serious? And you even added "So your opinion just show your biased way of seeing things". This is just too hilarious.
Post edited March 15, 2014 by Aver
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AzureKite: If even one of ex-USSR countries was really prospering, there would be no need to force others to stay within the grasp, be it by assigning puppets as rulers or moving armies. This USSR-ish way of thinking is what pushes some countries away, instead of drawing them closer. Unfortunately, USSR is what some people still want to go back to, which is the road to nowhere, IMO
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Rodor:
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Rodor: Let's begin from the start (and keep in mind that father of my father was a 100% "ukranian" born in Yelisavetgrad, now Kirovograd, and my roots by father line lead to Zaporozhskaya Sich).

1) There's NO Russian, Ukranian and Belorussian nationality, they are the ONE divided nation. They have ONE generic genetics, history AND LANGUAGE. "Ukranian language" is an artificial thing mostly made by Shevchenko (although his personal diary is written in pure "russian").
Sure, let's draw the genetics back to the monkeys or Adam and Eve, whatever the preference. That would also be one nation. Language cannot be easily made up, let alone made up by a single man. It is a thing that depends on people and develops with them for centuries.

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Rodor: 2) Ukraine often forgets that it is obliged to Moscovia in very fact of its existence (I' m talking about Khmelnitsky and his life full of eternal betrayal of everyone). And we won't dive deep into history in times of the War for Halych-Volynia Succession.
And if we talk about USSR, so it were "bloody commies" who gifted about 75% of modern ukranian territory to UkSSR so please - shut your mouth about it.
Whatever the case it is a small price for all the famines and genocides of the centuries. Even commies recognized the land not as Russian Soviet Republic, but as Ukrainian Soviet Republic.

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Rodor: 3) Russians in their turn also often forget about Kievan Rus' and the source of future Moscovia.
4) I'm nationalist and I have respect for all other nationalists from all other nations. But "ukranian nationalism" builds itself ONLY on negation of russian nature of Ukraine. If you don't like the word "russian" replace it with whatever you like but to reflect the historical truth.
And who said that ukrainian nationalism is formed only on negation?
I do realise that the roots of Russia and Ukraine are the same, but it doesn't mean that the future should be same too. Do you really think that "nation" is something that can hold on for centuries and millenias without change, division and mixing? And I personally don't limit the word "ukrainian" to a nation. It is a citizenship.

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Rodor: 5) Only dumbasses could name the events in Ukraine "revolution". It's a plot of international gang of oligarchs against other international gang of oligarchs. Sharks are fighting for prey.
Plots are something that we can speculate on, but no nothing about them.

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Rodor: 6) Only dumbasses could applause this bald thief Putin's plan of Crimea annexation.
Yet the fools are numerous.

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Rodor: If it would be "revolution", so the victoriouos masses should proclaim their solidarity with brother russian people, suffering under the yoke of local Moscovian international gang of oligarchs.
Instead of that, we see the local Ukranian international gang of oligarchs licking the ass of euro-american local international gang of oligarchs and threathing the moscovian gang that is threating the ukranian gang in its turn and so on... While the common people are PROUD for all this situation. They are "independent"! Fools...

People of Ukraine lost their chance to throw the yoke off because the puppet masters calculate everything BEFORE and in advance. So if now Gods will save us from the idiotic war between the parts of ONE nation, the situation will be worse than before nonetheless.
All the "revolutions" are a struggle for power. We can dream all we like about throwing off tyrants and thieves by people alone, but someone always rides the wave and fills the power vacuum.
Post edited March 15, 2014 by AzureKite
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Matruchus: Yeah it was said 3.000 people by russian police and we always know that police in every country always downplays the actual numbers of protesters. Organizators of the protest counted 50.000 and several other organizations that were present.

Just as a curiosity what do you think about the beginning of russian invasion in to south Ukraine since several russian troops have now been confirmed to have taken over Strilkove, Khersons'ka oblast, Ukraine which is not part of Crimea and is part of south Ukraine it seems now that Putin going to go for whole Ukraine.
And those who organized the demonstration have no reason to lie, huh? :-)
The fact in what both sides agree is they were going to have up to 50,000 and wouldn't it be a little embarrassing if when "D-day, H-hour came" it turned out that they have... well, overestimated the popularity of their "Peace March".
It would be much easier for me if I saw that demonstration myself, but alas, all I can do now is try to check who got "a little carried away in their claims".

Why, that's simple: I think I need to see the sources of this info. Who claims who went where, when and why. :-)
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Sanjuro: .
Just to clarify things as you two clearly show what you are unaware about meaning of the number you are discussing. Aforementioned 50000 is the number, exceeding of what would mean fine or some other possible penalty for organisers in this certain case. Thats all.
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DarzaR: Just to clarify things as you two clearly show what you are unaware about meaning of the number you are discussing. Aforementioned 50000 is the number, exceeding of what would mean fine or some other possible penalty for organisers in this certain case. Thats all.
Fines for demonstrations are not allowed by The United Nations Human Rights Treaties also signed by Russia so that is not an issue at all. If this is true what you are saying about the limit of number of people on demonstrations then Russia is again breaking another of treatie it has signed. Just to clarify since you don't seem to understand what an international treaty is. An international treaty is an agreement that precedes every constitution in any state on this planet and it can not be ignored since that would mean anarchy and serious treaty breach which would make that country untrustworthy and isolated.
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DarzaR: Just to clarify things as you two clearly show what you are unaware about meaning of the number you are discussing. Aforementioned 50000 is the number, exceeding of what would mean fine or some other possible penalty for organisers in this certain case. Thats all.
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Matruchus: Fines for demonstrations are not allowed by The United Nations Human Rights Treaties also signed by Russia so that is not an issue at all. If this is true what you are saying about the limit of number of people on demonstrations then Russia is again breaking another of treatie it has signed.
Congrats man, you just finally ruined my naive believe in humans as sentient self-developing beings and any hope for the future of humankind. 4 such guys in the row is simply too much. I dont even care if you Trust Us or not anymore for you too.

Ah well damn, i forgot what its a game forum with kids (and one guy with 90-years-old father), should realize that for quite some pages before, my bad.
Post edited March 15, 2014 by DarzaR
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Matruchus: Fines for demonstrations are not allowed by The United Nations Human Rights Treaties also signed by Russia so that is not an issue at all. If this is true what you are saying about the limit of number of people on demonstrations then Russia is again breaking another of treatie it has signed.
Guess I'll have to try to explain this one.
The organizers of the demonstration do have to warn the authorities how many people they plan to gather -- so the route of the demonstration could be made secure. If you exceed that limit, there might be problems with ensuring safety of the demonstration and nobody wants that. So they could've declared that their march is planned to gather "50,000 or less" so the route for them would be cleared and other preparations for that amount could be made.
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Matruchus: Fines for demonstrations are not allowed by The United Nations Human Rights Treaties also signed by Russia so that is not an issue at all. If this is true what you are saying about the limit of number of people on demonstrations then Russia is again breaking another of treatie it has signed.
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Sanjuro: Guess I'll have to try to explain this one.
The organizers of the demonstration do have to warn the authorities how many people they plan to gather -- so the route of the demonstration could be made secure. If you exceed that limit, there might be problems with ensuring safety of the demonstration and nobody wants that. So they could've declared that their march is planned to gather "50,000 or less" so the route for them would be cleared and other preparations for that amount could be made.
Ok I understand the reasoning behind this and this is good since it makes people safe. The only problem is that there is no way to really be sure if there is going to be more or less people then 50.000. The other guy should really not comment if he is not fluent enough that other people can understand him.

We have different regulation here. The demonstration needs to be registered at the police so they automatically protect the demonstrators. The organizators of the protest always have to provide private security forces to protect the demonstrators against other demonstrators. The organizaters of the demonstrations can be only fined if they don't registrate the demonstration with the police and the size of the demonstration is not important.
Post edited March 15, 2014 by Matruchus