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FrostburnPhoenix: Freedom of speech includes freedom from consequences.
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my name is anime catte: That's possibly the worst take I've ever heard. Not only is it not realistic, it's virtually unworkable. Try applying it to real world situations like say, running into a cinema and shouting "Fire!". What if I work customer service and swear at the customers? Can I just shout "free speech" when they fire me?
Nowhere in the universe does freedom of speech mean freedom from consequences, nor should it.

Here's a random person on quora who literally uses Gina Carano as an example. Link
Correct. Your freedom of speech is only protected from government matters. But freedom of speech still does require freedom from consequences, it just isn't protected from individuals.
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LegoDnD: Gina's accurate description of how Nazis act got her fired because Hollywood is run by Nazis.
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my name is anime catte: Yikes. Not willing to be outdone by Frostburn in the "bad takes" stakes I see.
That wasn't the bad part of his post IMO.

This is getting off topic. Oops.
Post edited December 31, 2022 by FrostburnPhoenix
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FrostburnPhoenix: Freedom of speech includes freedom from consequences.
Nope. No one must be allowed to spread lies and hate and ruin someones reputation without consequences.


Anyway ... we are fighting here about someone interpretation, about what he thinks the game is. The game itself is clearly stating that the point in question is wrong.
These games may be moreally "questionable" games (the OP says it's about abuse), but so are many others as well. It navigates very closely to something illegal, but they do not not cross the line.

I would never play this crap.

Just let it go ... please?
Post edited December 31, 2022 by neumi5694
weird gunaholic prudish americans
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DD & Ji Ji: weird gunaholic prudish americans
Hey, I have an excuse for the love of violence, I'm a psychopath. I would buy Canabal Corpse albums just because I loved the covers. Bought all the albums, never heard them beyond that one scene in Ace Ventura. We're not just gluttons of viloence, we're also gluttons for food, land, oil, misplaced anger, vanity, idiots, electing idiots, and laziness as well. America is an extremely well rounded society.

The greatest thing thing that America once had, freedom. We were once free to put whatever object in whatever part of our bodies without needing to be bothered by a warning label telling us not to. Damn lawyers.
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DoomSooth: You forgot to add "child" before that last word.
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CuriousFox555: That is, the problem is that adult cartoon characters look like children. In this case, if the character looks like a 100% adult - no problem, even if she is only 10 years old according to the biography? Or how does it work?
And what about real life? There are girls who look like teenagers even at 25. Is sex with them immoral and should be banned by law?
Heero Heero

These days and times we sell you the perfect wonder
Indulge your self in the 6th sin while entertaining yourself with these apparent minors
Fear not good gents
It is all perfectly legal...
Sickness hit their lives from early age on
unable to age physically, they now stand to serve you as the perfect gentlemen's dream
available for any and every fantasy......

But yea.... TBH it still surprises me that this certain genre has not received the 'sensitive' treatment as yet.
I understand this to be some legal minefield but hey c'mon, everyone is able to see that Rance is nowhere in the league of lets says, a film called American Pie right? right!
Post edited December 31, 2022 by Zimerius
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morolf: I don't know why you're focusing on the pedo aspect so much (are there actually any pedo games on Gog?).
There are none ignore him, it's just some crazy rambling because there are games on Gog that he doesn't like and that's not acceptable so of course anybody that might purchase, or worse, enjoy said games is evil. And instead of simply saying "I don't like it so it should be banned" he resort to unrelated straw man and extreme example (and "think of the children" is an always popular one) to demonize said games while appearing self righteous.

It same old tactics that was used previously saying that video games where murder simulators and were transforming kids into serial killer or that D&D will transform you into a satanist.
Post edited December 31, 2022 by Gersen
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morolf: I don't know why you're focusing on the pedo aspect so much (are there actually any pedo games on Gog?).
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Gersen: There are none ignore him, it's just some crazy rambling because there are games on Gog that he doesn't like and that's not acceptable so of course anybody that might purchase, or worse, enjoy said games is evil. And instead of simply saying "I don't like it so it should be banned" he resort to unrelated straw man and extreme example (and "think of the children" is an always popular one) to demonize said games while appearing self righteous.

It same old tactics that was used previously saying that video games where murder simulators and were transforming kids into serial killer or that D&D will transform you into a satanist.
I meet some conservative people In the early 2000s, who complained, that playing Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 makes you a Satan worshipper and games send a subconscious message that you see 666 message when you see diablo. My 10 years older sister believed that bullshit and warned me not to play those games. I didn´t care bullshit talking and i continued playing those games.
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Shadow_man-80: I meet some conservative people In the early 2000s, who complained, that playing Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 makes you a Satan worshipper and games send a subconscious message that you see 666 message when you see diablo. My 10 years older sister believed that bullshit and warned me not to play those games. I didn´t care bullshit talking and i continued playing those games.
Don't forget the priest that said that USB is evil because it's symbol represents Satans trident. Bluetooth however is good, since blue was the color of the Lord's eyes (when he was human).

Sounds very reasonable to me. The one thing that makes me think is that bluetooth is usually (also internally) connected through the USB bus ...
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Telika: This is GOG, its own culture and its own community.

In here, pedophilia is cool and rape is awesome. If it makes you ill at ease, you're just a spoilport. Go away.

And now for the next "kinky" sale, Feeling scorned by society (and interpol?), don't worry, we're just among ourselves here. We know where the fun is at. Here's a new child rape fantasy game for you to wank on, don't mind the killjoys. Just tell them that all the depicted schoolgirls are above 18, and all the forced girls are thankful in the end. That's it's merely a fantasy (who would judge a fantasy?) and that's it's only virtual - do they sell tissues with the GOG logo, by the way ? I want to support DRM-free gaming.
Do not forget about kill without mercy, run over animals, etc.
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Telika: Or just put them in their own separate pedopornography category, like video shops have their separate XXX bins or tabs for those who come to buy those.
Why bother with false pretenses ?

In a previous post you've already established that folks defending, on general principle, gog's right to advertise/sell them are rape/pedophilia "enthusiasts". And you've also already established that the "enthusiasm" is so prevalent that it is in fact a hallmark of this community's culture.

What difference would it make to have them hidden then? It wouldn't stop gog from making a buck on them or your peers form "jerking of on kids and rape" (or you from "breaking bread" with them on a daily basis), so it seems it wouldn't make any difference in regards to the aspects you seem to consider fundamentally wrong.

Sure, hypocrisy would be well served because then you could at least try to pretend that you don't surrender your custom to a venue that, according to, you profits on "pedopornography" and maybe even pretend that you don't shoulder with , again according to you, rape/pedophilia "enthusiasts" because those titles would be out of sight.

But beyond your hypocrisy what purpose would it serve ? What am i missing ?

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Telika: But, again, there would be less money in that. Right now, GOG capitalizes on a "feel good" sentiment offered to those who jerk of on kids and rape.
Oh, so that's what i''m missing, a virtuous metric that renders profiting from "pedopornography" into a less "objectionable" endeavor. Ok, how much is it then ? Profits wise what's the, say, monthly ceiling that would make gog enabling your peers "jerking of on kids and rape" by catering to them with a hidden section more palatable to you ? 25k ? 50k ? How much ?

If you want to drop the high horse morals bullshit arguments and argue for a "hide" option available on the grounds that with storefronts sporting thousands of titles being able to permanently hide titles from offer - whichever titles from whichever genres - from the storefront would be a welcome user friendly feature, right there with you.

Otherwise, please, get a grip and have yourself a wonderful new year.
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DD & Ji Ji: weird gunaholic prudish americans
Not liking anything resembling pedophilia is prudish? What does liking it make Otherians, then?
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my name is anime catte: You're confusing freedom of speech and freedom from consequences.
Oh, you're absolutely right. Currently it's not safe anymore to say anything which may affect your "benefactors" (including ruling class), much like it was in the USSR, losing job and money for speaking out your mind as a result.

One may "freely" and without consequences produce a ton of hate towards "public enemies" though because it's "just", ruining their lives and showing others to keep their mouth shut. Ahhh, feels like home.
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FrostburnPhoenix: Freedom of speech includes freedom from consequences.
No it doesn't. Besides the point, GOG is a service website meaning that any definitions we'd take for unenumerated rights are meaningless and void.
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my name is anime catte: You're confusing freedom of speech and freedom from consequences.
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Cadaver747: Oh, you're absolutely right. Currently it's not safe anymore to say anything which may affect your "benefactors" (including ruling class), much like it was in the USSR, losing job and money for speaking out your mind as a result.

One may "freely" and without consequences produce a ton of hate towards "public enemies" though because it's "just", ruining their lives and showing others to keep their mouth shut. Ahhh, feels like home.
It has always been the way that saying something stupid or offensive can cause people to turn their back on you. The only thing that has changed is that social media allows people to say stupid and offensive things to millions of people at once.

I am speaking in reference of course to your commentary on the Gina Carano fallout. Freedom of speech isn't a myth, as evidenced by her ability to wreck her career completely voluntarily.
Post edited January 01, 2023 by my name is anime catte
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my name is anime catte: I am speaking in reference of course to your commentary on the Gina Carano fallout. Freedom of speech isn't a myth, as evidenced by her ability to wreck her career completely voluntarily.
There's a galaxy of difference between "wrecking one's own career" and "upgrading to work with literally anyone other than Disney".