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zeogold: Because the majority absolutely love the thing. Unlike what you might be led to believe if you're extremely tech-savvy and spend your time around tech-savvy people, most folks are morons and need a client to do the handholding for them in terms of installation, plus it makes them feel comfortable as something recognizable.
Galaxy is actually very profitable and is a good move for GOG. Forcing it, no, but having it? Most definitely.
Hey as a person who likes Galaxy and also has a degree in computer information systems... I take offence to that. :P

We make/use software to make things more convenient or to lower the boundaries on entry, otherwise we would not make it to begin with. I wonder if some people felt that way when humans created the wheel? To hell with those puny humans that can't carry heavy loads on their back. Weaklings. xD
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Oh, there's plenty of tech-savvy people who like it for the features and convenience, I just sort of made a "premature strike" so to speak because, in my experience, most peoples' argument is "Just download the installers, you don't need some handholding piece of crap to do it for you!".
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zeogold: Oh, there's plenty of tech-savvy people who like it for the features and convenience, I just sort of made a "premature strike" so to speak because, in my experience, most peoples' argument is "Just download the installers, you don't need some handholding piece of crap to do it for you!".
I'm just messing with you. But yea those people are illogical... there I said it. xD.
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ZFR: No. The recent controversy about installers haveing Galaxy showcases this: GOG has absolutely no clue what "optional" means.
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Breja: No. The recent controversy about installers haveing Galaxy showcases this: GOG knows perfectly well what "optional" means. Which is why they are trying to circoumvent it any way they can, untill it becomes a purely academic metter and the pretense can be dropped altogether.
Exactly. Whittle down "optional" to the point that it's a meaningless distinction, and in that they have succeeded, I think.
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zeogold: ...Galaxy is actually very profitable and is a good move for GOG. Forcing it, no, but having it? Most definitely.
How many more bottom feeders does this world need, Zeo?
Post edited May 10, 2017 by richlind33
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richlind33: How many more bottom feeders does this world need, Zeo?
I'm not sure what you refer to.
If you mean me, as in, somebody saying Galaxy is successful, I'm not wrong. The statistics support this.
If you mean the people who use Galaxy, what's wrong with using what you like?
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thomq: This goes beyond simply extra files…
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Lord_Kane: 1. Galaxy.dll is no way going to harm your computer, I have ran Galaxy.dll containing games on PC's without internet and galaxy and have encountered no problems.

I am not going to worry about galaxy being bundled with installers.
I consider those who employ opt-out marketing to be less than human, and would not wish their company on even the lowest of animals.
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Elmofongo: No one, specifically the long time users of this site, wanted GOG Galaxy at all.

Who was this marketed towards, why was this needed, how is this making more profit for GOG than what we had before?

If GOG Galaxy was inevitably gonna lead to this current predicement and future potential fears, why was Galaxy not killed in its crib?Where was the massive backlash against GOG Galaxy when it was first revealed?

Test bump, why is it that every time I make a thread I don't see it on the forums?
What this really demonstrates is that GOG found a niche where they could start up a successful business. That was what attracted us DRM-free proponents in the first place and that was what made us stay. But, as they grew and more people joined the ranks, fewer and fewer of them were the types that were attracted here by the original concept and ideals of Good Old Games.

Now, with the much, much bigger user-base GOG has, we're just the loud minority. And GOG has come to realize that. They've figured that in order to compete with the 800 pound Steam gorilla, they have to become a hefty Steam-like gorilla. And if that means there's some collateral damage on the way to becoming that bigger behemoth, then so be it.

It's business. And there comes a point when a business gets big enough that they no longer have to cater to the niche/fringe customer. I saw this with Stardock. I saw this with BioWare. And now I'm seeing this with GOG.

Bottom line is, those of us that were attracted here by GOG's original concept and ideals are casualties of GOG's success. And we're expendable. Because there's simply not enough of us that give a shit about what GOG originally represented. The vast majority of users don't care.
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richlind33: How many more bottom feeders does this world need, Zeo?
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zeogold: I'm not sure what you refer to.
If you mean me, as in, somebody saying Galaxy is successful, I'm not wrong. The statistics support this.
If you mean the people who use Galaxy, what's wrong with using what you like?
No, I don't mean you. I mean those who think the end justifies the means.
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GR00T: What this really demonstrates is that GOG found a niche where they could start up a successful business. That was what attracted us DRM-free proponents in the first place and that was what made us stay. But, as they grew and more people joined the ranks, fewer and fewer of them were the types that were attracted here by the original concept and ideals of Good Old Games.

Now, with the much, much bigger user-base GOG has, we're just the loud minority. And GOG has come to realize that. They've figured that in order to compete with the 800 pound Steam gorilla, they have to become a hefty Steam-like gorilla. And if that means there's some collateral damage on the way to becoming that bigger behemoth, then so be it.

It's business. And there comes a point when a business gets big enough that they no longer have to cater to the niche/fringe customer. I saw this with Stardock. I saw this with BioWare. And now I'm seeing this with GOG.

Bottom line is, those of us that were attracted here by GOG's original concept and ideals are casualties of GOG's success. And we're expendable. Because there's simply not enough of us that give a shit about what GOG originally represented. The vast majority of users don't care.
Apathy will be the death of humanity -- assuming that isn't already the case.
Post edited May 10, 2017 by richlind33
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Lord_Kane: 1. Galaxy.dll is no way going to harm your computer, I have ran Galaxy.dll containing games on PC's without internet and galaxy and have encountered no problems.

I am not going to worry about galaxy being bundled with installers.
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richlind33: I consider those who employ opt-out marketing to be less than human, and would not wish their company on even the lowest of animals.
Ah, noted.
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GOG forum, always cry babies. >_<
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darthspudius: GOG forum, always cry babies. >_<
Who'll be crying when the pirates have the last laugh? >_<
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darthspudius: GOG forum, always cry babies. >_<
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richlind33: Who'll be crying when the pirates have the last laugh? >_<
Pirares will also have the option to install Galaxy. ;)
Also I don't get the hate. They are not bundling Galaxy with the installers only an option to download it. Yes, the default opt-in isn't a nice move for those who want to opt out because they will need to make an extra step, but besides that it's not a problem imho. Also installers probably won't grow by more than a few hundred KB.
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Elmofongo: No one, specifically the long time users of this site, wanted GOG Galaxy at all.
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amok: i'm a long time user, and I wanted Galaxy...
I didn't wanted it, but grew accustomed to it, especially since they started selling newer games. Auto-updates are nice most of the time, and cloud saves is a great thing also.
Post edited May 10, 2017 by blotunga
While I understand many of your concerns, OP, Richlind and others, I have say that I think you guys are still worrying and getting upset over something that will as it has in the past, turns out to be nothing. But since I am the last one to say "No you cannot complain or vent about this" so I wont say, at least its fair to show gog how you think about it, opinion after all is important.

still you guys are worrying over nothing.

I hope you all have a good day/night.

also I love you all.
They could please both groups if they really want. Like, Big button to install galaxy on the page, every game is installed through the galaxy for the mainstream normal user. Additional instructions for these less hasty?

For us, DRM free folks, installers as was before in the game page. Or they could at least include the installer without galaxy? Or they can release the original game files without dosbox, as we ask them for so long.


But no, they have to throw the DRM free folks who would detest the client software in first place out.

Sigh.
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richlind33: Who'll be crying when the pirates have the last laugh? >_<
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blotunga: Pirares will also have the option to install Galaxy. ;)
Also I don't get the hate. They are not bundling Galaxy with the installers only an option to download it. Yes, the default opt-in isn't a nice move for those who want to opt out because they will need to make an extra step, but besides that it's not a problem imho. Also installers probably won't grow by more than a few hundred KB.
As others have pointed out, downloading an offline installer *is* opting out, and GOG knows this perfectly fucking well.

The fact that they're unwilling to be honest about what they're doing tells me that GOG is a fly-by-night outfit on par with G2A, and I don't do business with G2A.

Capisce?