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sunshinecorp: Let's talk business.
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zeogold: Let's.
You like that one?
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zeogold: Let's.
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Emachine9643: You like that one?
It's the holy grail of jigsaw puzzles, amigo.
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Emachine9643: You like that one?
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zeogold: It's the holy grail of jigsaw puzzles, amigo.
I feel sad now. I searched under age and put Senior then it gave me an option for dementia and alzheimer ...... It was a family photo puzzle.
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zeogold: It's the holy grail of jigsaw puzzles, amigo.
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Emachine9643: I feel sad now. I searched under age and put Senior then it gave me an option for dementia and alzheimer ...... It was a family photo puzzle.
Look, man, I'm already very sensitive these days. You don't have to go and make it worse.
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Emachine9643: You like that one?
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zeogold: It's the holy grail of jigsaw puzzles, amigo.
Why not the 33600 pieces one?
Post edited January 04, 2016 by sunshinecorp
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zeogold: It's the holy grail of jigsaw puzzles, amigo.
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Emachine9643: I feel sad now. I searched under age and put Senior then it gave me an option for dementia and alzheimer ...... It was a family photo puzzle.
O_o
*pulls out stuffed animals and LEGO sets*
I like being young. Did I mention how much I liked being young? I like it a lot.
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sunshinecorp: Why not the 33600 pieces one?
It's not quite as famous as the "Life" one, although that one's really beautiful, too.
Post edited January 04, 2016 by zeogold
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zeogold: I'm awake, but I'm not answering popperik's question. You want the answer to those, you vote for that evidence.
It's not entirely clear what would yield that info. Perhaps the car is parked in the field. Perhaps it is parked at (but probably not in) the house. Does 'evidence from the car' include the location of the car, or just contents of the car?

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zeogold: A. Just the right pieces of evidence are chosen.
B. The person is as smart and perceptive as the Puzzlemaster himself.
C. The person is cheating/has bribed the Puzzlemaster.
D. All of the above.
Fair enough, and thanks for the clarification on procedure. Is there enough info on the board to intelligently result in A. or is it to some extent purely a matter of luck?

Given the parameters at best I can "rule out" 2 as least desirable (laundry/autopsy), though under certain conditions I could see them being valuable.
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bler144:
unless we find out that the bullet in the wound is of a different caliber then the one the security fired.....
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zeogold: I'm awake, but I'm not answering popperik's question. You want the answer to those, you vote for that evidence.
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bler144: It's not entirely clear what would yield that info. Perhaps the car is parked in the field. Perhaps it is parked at (but probably not in) the house. Does 'evidence from the car' include the location of the car, or just contents of the car?
I believe I already mentioned it was in the field. I refuse to say anything more.
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zeogold: A. Just the right pieces of evidence are chosen.
B. The person is as smart and perceptive as the Puzzlemaster himself.
C. The person is cheating/has bribed the Puzzlemaster.
D. All of the above.
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zeogold: Fair enough, and thanks for the clarification on procedure. Is there enough info on the board to intelligently result in A. or is it to some extent purely a matter of luck?

Given the parameters at best I can "rule out" 2 as least desirable (laundry/autopsy), though under certain conditions I could see them being valuable.
Depends. All of the information is useful, some of them adding more information, some of them possibly raising even more questions. Theoretically, it's possible to solve it with a minimum of any 2 picks, but I imagine it'd be easier for you or harder for you depending on what you pick, seeing as you may be missing out on potentially vital tidbits.
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bler144:
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Emachine9643: unless we find out that the bullet in the wound is of a different caliber then the one the security fired.....
Yeah, but that outcome would seem to move the conversation so far afield that it would almost certainly be unsolvable in the lone remaining day. It seems a bit of a hail Mary.

Besides, as a practical matter, why shoot someone in the shoulder who's already been shot in the shoulder? Not that I'm an expert on disposing of bodies IRL, but sure, while you could by chance hit the brachial artery on the second go round to finish them off, why bother?

So if the autopsy is going to show something wonky it would seem more likely to be 'death resulted from blow from blunt force object' (e.g. shovel)
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bler144:
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Emachine9643: unless we find out that the bullet in the wound is of a different caliber then the one the security fired.....
Heh, heh, heh...
Reading through I need to know WHY the body has ended up with the defendant. This answers the question to is he guilty of robbery.

The time line as it stands allows for very little break in the actual sequence for planning. It is too short and how would the defendant have known they could wash the clothes when they got back if the water had been out. Unless they were unaware the water was out to begin with.

The getaway car is in reality unknown as the cameras never saw it and the only witness would have been running high on adrenalin. Were they re-examined days later about the events?
So what was found in the car, or about it to make the police call it evidence? Was money found in the car or other case related evidence?

What would the defendants motive be to have robbed the bank. Did their wife leaving mess them up? Did she take the money? Did he gain a drug addiction / drinking? Were they / is he in debt? This might explain her leaving.
Stated he has been a law abiding citizen his whole life, is he still?

Would there be a possibility that the robber who survived wanted to save his "injured" friend, but once he noticed the other one had died, did he just abandon him?
Where and how would the other robber have gone should they have abandoned their dead partner and the car. Would they have been in the field? Yet why would the defendant have then become aware of the body and end up dragging a dead body rather then call the police?

He will not talk. Can he TALK? Missing description of defendant.

The police arrested him for doing his laundry? Also not talking. What is so suspicious of the clothes, surely the ones he was wearing would have been covered in blood. Police would want those, was that why he was taken home?
Would he really have wasted time changing first out of the crime clothes, THEN dragging the other robber into the field in a clean set of clothes. What would be the point. Is he stupid?
- Quick point. I would put the body in tarp, leaves little mess and is easily cleaned. You do not have to touch the body excessively nor does it touch you. Dump body, remove and wash tarp. Done, clear. Nothing connecting the two.
Also dump far away from home 40+ miles away from busy areas in a ditch, not a field.
The guy had no idea what he is doing. He could actually be a little retarded.
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zeogold:
I request to see evidence from him first. So I vote for his house

Also can we have a description of the defendant. It might go a little way to identifying his actions.
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Emachine9643: unless we find out that the bullet in the wound is of a different caliber then the one the security fired.....
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bler144: Yeah, but that outcome would seem to move the conversation so far afield that it would almost certainly be unsolvable in the lone remaining day. It seems a bit of a hail Mary.

Besides, as a practical matter, why shoot someone in the shoulder who's already been shot in the shoulder? Not that I'm an expert on disposing of bodies IRL, but sure, while you could by chance hit the brachial artery on the second go round to finish them off, why bother?

So if the autopsy is going to show something wonky it would seem more likely to be 'death resulted from blow from blunt force object' (e.g. shovel)
If you wanna know the answer, you're gonna have to take the vote. It's also worth mentioning that one or more of the pieces of evidence might be considered useless in the eyes of this particular jury because it serves to reinforce facts (and thus eliminate speculation) rather than provide new insight. So to further answer your previous question about the "luck" of the picks, you want to show a bit of discrimination (which you guys, so far, have wisely been doing) on what pieces of evidence you wish to see and in what order.
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011284mm: Also can we have a description of the defendant. It might go a little way to identifying his actions.
The defendant is our fellow GOG man, EndreWhiteMane! The description is given here:
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zeogold: In the defendant's chair, we have:
Endre Whtiemane
A bear hunter from way up north, people say he's a bit grouchy because he HATES kids playing on his lawn. He's really a very sweet and gentle fellow, though.
Why, last year he even donated 5 dollars to the injured Viking bear hunters fund!
He claims that he would never, ever do a thing like this, and that he'd much rather go shoot a big ole' bear.
If you want any more information about him, you'll have to ask him yourself. He's sitting right there in the chair, after all.
Just make sure you stay off his lawn. He seems kinda touchy about that.
You can reply to his post here and start any banter you please. Just note that he'll do little to help the case along besides try to point out his innocence.
Post edited January 04, 2016 by zeogold
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bler144: Besides, as a practical matter, why shoot someone in the shoulder who's already been shot in the shoulder? Not that I'm an expert on disposing of bodies IRL, but sure, while you could by chance hit the brachial artery on the second go round to finish them off, why bother?

So if the autopsy is going to show something wonky it would seem more likely to be 'death resulted from blow from blunt force object' (e.g. shovel)
Practically you shoot through a bullet hole with a larger calaber weapon to dispose of the original bullet and leave a different shot.
Say your son shoots an intruder with a 9mm and you know he is going to jail, so you take your shotgun. Place it against the dead body with room behind and fire. Your shot destroys the original evidence and clears your son. You take the rap.

Maybe (just thinking out loud) the defendant has done the above to protect his wife. She got involved in some way (debt) and agrees to go on a robbery. Other one is shot and now the defendant clears her action by destroying the original evidence with a slightly larger calaber then the guards and she "leaves him" for her own protection. Maybe he planned on joining her after disposing of the body.
She turns up in a motel somewhere and claims they were both there. Yet as it has all gone wrong the story changes.

--Remember, just thinking out loud.
The more 011284mm posts, the more I think 011284mm is guilty...
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011284mm: *deep musings*
I'm loving the thought you're putting into this.
Not saying you're right or wrong, just saying I appreciate the deep consideration you're giving it and your thinking outside the box.
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sunshinecorp: The more 011284mm posts, the more I think 011284mm is guilty...
Oy! No spoilers!
Post edited January 04, 2016 by zeogold