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RWarehall: More proof you are just an asshole thieving pirate who think they have the right to download anything.
ASNWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS WITHOUT COMPLAINT:
1. How can you steal something that isn't on sale?
2. How can silence NOT mean approval on abandonware sites?
3. How much of your so called 'research' is needed?

Can you answer them instead of dodging them all the time?
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PookaMustard: Silence is often a sign of approval, so when they stay silent, they're approving.
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227: Haven't been following this thread or the arguing, but I do want to point out that this is in line with Nintendo's rationale for taking down fan games. That kind of reasoning cuts both ways.
Is that about whether players or makers of fangames not saying anything? Wherever I go, they'll say a lot against these decisions. Usually however they can't do a single thing because Nintendo. They have a higher authority and power to force them to do that or get fined, thrown in courts, jailed...
Post edited February 10, 2017 by PookaMustard
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RWarehall: Of course you are a troll. You've been doing this for years along with TinyE and Snowkatt. Any thread you dislike you go to to spread your typical nonsense while picking on people. Seriously, you guys are what's wrong with the forum. A few pretentious assholes who think they can butt into any conversation and chastize the people they don't like. This makes you a troll
Since when has Omega ever done that? I've never seen you accuse him or TinyE or Snowkatt of any such thing before right now, and that seems to be brought on more by the fact that you don't like them saying you should calm down/use nicer language.
In fact, I've seen you use that "you guys are what's wrong with this forum" or the variant of "this is why nobody comes to this forum" before with OTHER people you disagree with. Which I'm sure helps the forum and encourages people to come here.

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RWarehall: The fact there are so many of you defending LootHunter, the jerk proclaiming how he's glad he pirated Brood War; how he has a right to pirate any game he wants because he bought a couple and thinks they sucked; including one he played over 100 hours but should have got his money back because it had a bad ending...

The fact you are defending Pookamustard who claims that downloading any game from abandonware site is completely okay because the site says so and since they are old games they should be free to download anyway...besides, he's so busy with college how can you expect him to spend the extra time to do a Google search to see if a game is really for sale...
Since when did he or anybody else defend PookaMustard or LootHunter? All that ANY of us have told you so far is how insanely abrasive you're being. You insult anybody who slightly disagrees with you. All I've done for this entire thread is say that you should tone down your language, and your response to that has been to call them trolls, say they're supporting your new "enemies", and hurl all sorts of crazy insults at them.
Seriously, can you take even 5 minutes to step back and look at what you're doing here?
Your argument might be good, and it might be crap. Either way, it's a bit hard considering that we can barely get through half your posts without running into the inevitable "Fuck off, asshole!" that arises no matter WHAT it is you're talking about.
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RWarehall: So, in short go fuck off trolls. Tauto had something right when he was calling you hypocrites.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't you the same guy who claimed that Hedwards was a troll because he once agreed with Tauto?
I mean, agreeing with Tauto is usually a bad idea anyways, but, I mean...there is that.
Post edited February 10, 2017 by zeogold
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richlind33: ... Dogs and cats in America live better than most of the people in this world do, because a human life is worth less than a cheap microwave or a shitty movie -- and that is very seriously fucked up.
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Trilarion: Ok. That I understand. And I agree. There are indeed much more pressing problems in the world than piracy or gaming or taking care of cats and dogs or eating sweats or ... a million other things. Many of us don't give a damn about others or just don't care enough to do something.

Is there anything that can be done about it realistically?
I'm working on it. And you should help me because the powers that be have come up with a solution based on "universal equality" -- we're all going to be poor.
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Thank God for abandonware and ROM sites for not letting history be forgotten.

To those of us who care about games as art, game design, the history of games, and really just games in general, the work they do disseminating culture is truly invaluable.
nvm XD
Post edited February 11, 2017 by tinyE
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PookaMustard: 1. How can you steal something that isn't on sale?
Break into somebody's house, then find something in the house, take it, and leave the house. (Don't actually do this, please.)

(I disagree with the use of terms like "steal" and "theft" to refer to copyright infringement, since it isn't being taken away from the original owner.)

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zeogold: I mean, agreeing with Tauto is usually a bad idea anyways
Remember that even a stopped clock is correct twice a day. Sometimes even the worst troll can post something that happens to be true.
Post edited February 11, 2017 by dtgreene
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PookaMustard: Is that about whether players or makers of fangames not saying anything?
Neither; it's my understanding that Nintendo themselves go after fan games in the belief that staying silent while unofficial games use their trademarks and IPs somehow imperils them. Whether that's a belief remotely grounded in reality or not, it's the other side of the "silence is permission/acquiescence" argument. Point being, if we accept that kind of reasoning, we'd likely also have to accept Nintendo's DMCA douchebaggery as being justified to avoid a pretty glaring double standard.

Which isn't to take sides here or anything. It just seemed like an interesting little tangle that might undermine the argument that silence indicates tacit approval.
Hey RW!

See Pook and 227?

They are having a "discussion".

They obviously don't see totally eye to eye on everything but still, you'll notice the distinct lack of insults, obscenities, and name calling. Also, if you really pay attention, you'll notice how they are actually reading each others' posts and then replying in kind.
Post edited February 11, 2017 by tinyE
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DaCostaBR: Thank God for abandonware and ROM sites for not letting history be forgotten.

To those of us who care about games as art, game design, the history of games, and really just games in general, the work they do disseminating culture is truly invaluable.
Yup.
Good thing it is out in the wild. If Nintendo had their way, all the rom's would be locked up - and only a few of them would be made available (only on their own hardware, and at a silly price).

I also recall Taito at some point lost the source code for the arcade version of Bubble Bobble - but thank god the game rom itself is out there.
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PookaMustard: Silence is often a sign of approval, so when they stay silent, they're approving.
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227: it's my understanding that Nintendo themselves go after fan games in the belief that staying silent while unofficial games use their trademarks and IPs somehow imperils them. Whether that's a belief remotely grounded in reality or not, it's the other side of the "silence is permission/acquiescence" argument. Point being, if we accept that kind of reasoning, we'd likely also have to accept Nintendo's DMCA douchebaggery as being justified to avoid a pretty glaring double standard.

Which isn't to take sides here or anything. It just seemed like an interesting little tangle that might undermine the argument that silence indicates tacit approval.
On the contrary. Nintendo's "cease and disist" letters are a clear sign that they are not approving creation of fan games based on their property. Unlike some other companies, that generally ok with fan production.
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dtgreene: Break into somebody's house, then find something in the house, take it, and leave the house. (Don't actually do this, please.)

(I disagree with the use of terms like "steal" and "theft" to refer to copyright infringement, since it isn't being taken away from the original owner.)

Remember that even a stopped clock is correct twice a day. Sometimes even the worst troll can post something that happens to be true.
Relevant.

And berating RWarehall does no good at this point; he obviously isn't seeking the approval of lying thieving pirate assholes. >.>
Piracy of online entertainment like games, movies, music, software will never stop.
Out of curiosity, does anybody know if fan games actually detract from company sales or not?
I mean, does the company themselves want the rights to the game, or...?
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dtgreene: Break into somebody's house, then find something in the house, take it, and leave the house. (Don't actually do this, please.)

(I disagree with the use of terms like "steal" and "theft" to refer to copyright infringement, since it isn't being taken away from the original owner.)

Remember that even a stopped clock is correct twice a day. Sometimes even the worst troll can post something that happens to be true.
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paladin181: Relevant.

And berating RWarehall does no good at this point; he obviously isn't seeking the approval of lying thieving pirate assholes. >.>
He's screwing the neighbor's poodle and beating his wife and kids, but a lying, thieving pirate asshole he isn't!
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zeogold: Out of curiosity, does anybody know if fan games actually detract from company sales or not?
I mean, does the company themselves want the rights to the game, or...?
It's called protecting their mark. People may see a fan game as associated or sponsored by a company, and the company doesn't want anything of dubious quality or harmful programming to be tied to them. Plus, if they fail to protect their mark, someone may infringe it in a harmful way later and use the unchallenged fan game as a precedent for abandonment. Confused yet?