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Hammer49: Doesn't mention Amy Hennig.
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Rusty_Gunn: Sorry, that looked like a good article & I didn't know of her.
It was more a criticism of the article, but she's probably not that well known, to be fair. It's just that I played the entire Legacy of Kain series to death when I was younger. Still have the original Blood Omen in its case.
I think that's kindof a problem right now. Nobody really thought about if those making games were male or female. It was the product being sold that was of interest and maybe interesting to some as to how things came about making the games.

It wasn't about our genders to begin with. Now we have to go about cataloging everything from past to present to prove points that shouldn't matter in the first fucking place.

Also, Hammer.. I see you have a tortie avatar! That your cat? ( Have three of my own, two barn cats and one half siamese/half oriental tortie ).
She's a big baby. Always wanting cuddles, always mooching for treats. She didn't stop trying to climb up me until she was big, so I've got some fierce scars from her claws. She has some bad habits like drinking dishwater and trying to eat bread.
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Arinielle: I think that's kindof a problem right now. Nobody really thought about if those making games were male or female. It was the product being sold that was of interest and maybe interesting to some as to how things came about making the games.

It wasn't about our genders to begin with. Now we have to go about cataloging everything from past to present to prove points that shouldn't matter in the first fucking place.

Also, Hammer.. I see you have a tortie avatar! That your cat? ( Have three of my own, two barn cats and one half siamese/half oriental tortie ).
THIS, but of this BS is both sides guilty, both whining SJWs and stupid people in GG, naming again Zoe Quinn, how many instead of saying, "this game is a presumptuous piece of crap, bad executed and not even helpful to represent depression" but said "WOMEN CANNOT MAKE GAMES" or worse...
Post edited April 28, 2016 by YaTEdiGo
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Hammer49: She's a big baby. Always wanting cuddles, always mooching for treats. She didn't stop trying to climb up me until she was big, so I've got some fierce scars from her claws. She has some bad habits like drinking dishwater and trying to eat bread.
I am starting to think that is average tortie behavior. I have two torties, their mother was one, thier father is a big grey cat who lives in the neighborhood and used to be a house cat but went feral. They have a sister who is white, according to the father's owner that is how the grandmother used to look like. The mother once ate a churro I bought for me when she was pregnant.
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Arinielle: I think that's kindof a problem right now. Nobody really thought about if those making games were male or female. It was the product being sold that was of interest and maybe interesting to some as to how things came about making the games.

It wasn't about our genders to begin with. Now we have to go about cataloging everything from past to present to prove points that shouldn't matter in the first fucking place.
I'd agree with you but cataloging still may not help all that much, (Bayonetta comes to mind) being designed by a woman is often dismissed & Bayonetta is considered just for the "male gaze" As Sarkeesian has mentioned

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YaTEdiGo:
YaTEdiGo: I'll say it again. I have never seen "WOMEN CANNOT MAKE GAMES" except as an accusation of the "muh soggy knees" of gamers & Gamergate
Post edited April 28, 2016 by Rusty_Gunn
There's no point to it. Folks keep asking outside of gamers these days as to what women have really done in the industry. Claiming women have not in fact been allowed to make games. Which is what resulted in making a list or some of the bigger names and what they worked on.

That's the whole thing, there really is no reason for it. But SJWs and shit want to claim there is a problem where there isn't. There shouldn't be any fucking reason why we need to know a person's gender and list them by that. Sure, the list was being worked on to prove a point but there's more that just slip under the cracks. Far too much work for a group of people that just ignore it anyway for their own sake.

I just want my vidya, damn it. Why is that being so difficult without someone wanting to argue gender, politics, religion and shit with me? x_x

To those talking about Torties.... >.> I used to have a tortie when I was little and now I have this little ball of fluff. There sure as hell is a thing called "tortitude".. but if it really is a thing.. don't know. But they all seem to have a real attitude about them different from others.. which is strange since that's just a coat coloring. Maybe because certain behaviors known more so from female cats ended up being all up in the tortie coats? o.O
Post edited April 28, 2016 by Arinielle
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Arinielle: I think that's kindof a problem right now. Nobody really thought about if those making games were male or female. It was the product being sold that was of interest and maybe interesting to some as to how things came about making the games.

It wasn't about our genders to begin with. Now we have to go about cataloging everything from past to present to prove points that shouldn't matter in the first fucking place.
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Rusty_Gunn: I'd agree with you but cataloging still may not help all that much, (Bayonetta comes to mind) being designed by a woman is often dismissed & Bayonetta is considered just for the "male gaze" As Sarkeesian has mentioned

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YaTEdiGo:
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Rusty_Gunn: YaTEdiGo: I'll say it again. I have never seen "WOMEN CANNOT MAKE GAMES" except as an accusation of the "muh soggy knees" of gamers & Gamergate
I seen this argument in several guys defending GG, I cannot just silence this, of course GG is full of different kind of people including women and people that has a clear nice idea about "inclusivity" (probably even more open minded that the SJW zealots), but I even seen worse arguments, like "bitch you should be in the kitchen instead of making games", in Youtube comments. I can find some for you if you want, it is SAD, both for what this draws in the mind of who says this and what it attacks , and lately what it does for the image of the community.
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Arinielle: I think that's kindof a problem right now. Nobody really thought about if those making games were male or female. It was the product being sold that was of interest and maybe interesting to some as to how things came about making the games.

It wasn't about our genders to begin with. Now we have to go about cataloging everything from past to present to prove points that shouldn't matter in the first fucking place.
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Rusty_Gunn: I'd agree with you but cataloging still may not help all that much, (Bayonetta comes to mind) being designed by a woman is often dismissed & Bayonetta is considered just for the "male gaze" As Sarkeesian has mentioned

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YaTEdiGo:
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Rusty_Gunn: YaTEdiGo: I'll say it again. I have never seen "WOMEN CANNOT MAKE GAMES" except as an accusation of the "muh soggy knees" of gamers & Gamergate
Sarkeesian opinion is pure bigotry and also hypocritical. But well, is pretty clear she is an ultra-conservative con-artist as long as a sad "professional", but she is fucking smart or I should say cunning as she knows where to hit and how, not considering also her more than smart movement to just not have any conversation about her ideas, it is exactly what for instance some of the biggest totalitarian Governments do, "I speech, I am right, your criticism is evil, I do not allow you to have a conversation in the name of the protection of my "rightful and good" statements"
Post edited April 28, 2016 by YaTEdiGo
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Arinielle: There's no point to it. Folks keep asking outside of gamers these days as to what women have really done in the industry. Claiming women have not in fact been allowed to make games. Which is what resulted in making a list or some of the bigger names and what they worked on.

That's the whole thing, there really is no reason for it. But SJWs and shit want to claim there is a problem where there isn't. There shouldn't be any fucking reason why we need to know a person's gender and list them by that. Sure, the list was being worked on to prove a point but there's more that just slip under the cracks. Far too much work for a group of people that just ignore it anyway for their own sake.

I just want my vidya, damn it. Why is that being so difficult without someone wanting to argue gender, politics, religion and shit with me? x_x

To those talking about Torties.... >.> I used to have a tortie when I was little and now I have this little ball of fluff. There sure as hell is a thing called "tortitude".. but if it really is a thing.. don't know. But they all seem to have a real attitude about them different from others.. which is strange since that's just a coat coloring. Maybe because certain behaviors known more so from female cats ended up being all up in the tortie coats? o.O
Don´t forget that all this debate has a political and market intention, that is to win the next elections in USA by Hillary, and to open markets to women, it is not a conspiracy, is clear as water. Social awareness prints money and power, and in fact is in base a VERY GOOD THING, there is nothing wrong in generate or promote an industry, and we do not need to discuss that Social Awareness is a good thing, because it is, but the problem is how it is going used and the consequences.

I told this many posts ago, what companies did with feminism revolution selling cigarettes as "The Torchs of Freedom", women smoking became a symbol of being "progressive", yeah, sure... then they chosen to smoke and pose, and companies fill they pockets, the same Capitalism many SJW whine about, was very safe thanks to this!

People is always controlled both by fear or lies, but there is no better lie or fear that the one that is based in some SCARY REAL stuff, Racism is real, misogyny is real, homophobia is real, and normal people, people with feelings and empathy are afraid of these threats. So then you just need to marketize these fears, you create the problem or better say you make it up even worse than it is, better also if you create a big extreme fight about it with two polarized sides (Chomsky talked about this once very clearly) then you offer the "solution". Sarkeesian is the best example in our gaming context. But people, even masses, are at the end not as stupid as many would like us to be, lies stink, even if enveloped in pure perfect good intentions, and here it came the danger, as the video of "the privilege game" points so accurately at the end of the game, Trump, Trump is a consequence of the well pointed by Abraxas "war" and the lies with good intentions of the "good ones" (You can also consider Milo is a consequence)

SJW are not more than pushing people to the side they try to avoid, because people detests sophism and totalitarianism, whatever if the intention is to build heaven, will never end in a good way if it is based in witch-huntings, half truths/lies and imposed "cultural revolutions" (kind of Mao´s "the past doesn't exist anymore", that is what in fact is post-constructivism about when you look deeply into it). Meanwhile this crisis between two sides of the same coin will radicalize, the more smart ones, will win elections, sell you products, and make some money during the "conflict"
Post edited April 28, 2016 by YaTEdiGo
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Arinielle: There's no point to it. Folks keep asking outside of gamers these days as to what women have really done in the industry. Claiming women have not in fact been allowed to make games. Which is what resulted in making a list or some of the bigger names and what they worked on.

That's the whole thing, there really is no reason for it. But SJWs and shit want to claim there is a problem where there isn't. There shouldn't be any fucking reason why we need to know a person's gender and list them by that. Sure, the list was being worked on to prove a point but there's more that just slip under the cracks. Far too much work for a group of people that just ignore it anyway for their own sake.

I just want my vidya, damn it. Why is that being so difficult without someone wanting to argue gender, politics, religion and shit with me? x_x
I so agree with you, Just know that there people that want to drag gaming into the "real world"
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Arinielle: To those talking about Torties.... >.> I used to have a tortie when I was little and now I have this little ball of fluff. There sure as hell is a thing called "tortitude".. but if it really is a thing.. don't know. But they all seem to have a real attitude about them different from others.. which is strange since that's just a coat coloring. Maybe because certain behaviors known more so from female cats ended up being all up in the tortie coats? o.O
I'm not Felinephobic ;P (I do prefer dogs though) but if I may add just a bit to this discussion. I wonder if this "tortitude" is similar to what can be seen in certain dog breeds like "blue" Pitties (Pitbulls) are more likely to be aggressive than non-blue pits. I just mean that the coloring could be an indication that something is different in the tortie.

BTW: I gave you a +1
Post edited April 28, 2016 by Rusty_Gunn
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Arinielle: There's no point to it. Folks keep asking outside of gamers these days as to what women have really done in the industry. Claiming women have not in fact been allowed to make games. Which is what resulted in making a list or some of the bigger names and what they worked on.

That's the whole thing, there really is no reason for it. But SJWs and shit want to claim there is a problem where there isn't. There shouldn't be any fucking reason why we need to know a person's gender and list them by that. Sure, the list was being worked on to prove a point but there's more that just slip under the cracks. Far too much work for a group of people that just ignore it anyway for their own sake.

I just want my vidya, damn it. Why is that being so difficult without someone wanting to argue gender, politics, religion and shit with me? x_x
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Rusty_Gunn: I so agree with you, Just know that there people that want to drag gaming into the "real world"
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Arinielle: To those talking about Torties.... >.> I used to have a tortie when I was little and now I have this little ball of fluff. There sure as hell is a thing called "tortitude".. but if it really is a thing.. don't know. But they all seem to have a real attitude about them different from others.. which is strange since that's just a coat coloring. Maybe because certain behaviors known more so from female cats ended up being all up in the tortie coats? o.O
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Rusty_Gunn: I'm not Felinephobic ;P (I do prefer dogs though) but if I may add just a bit to this discussion. I wonder if this "tortitude" is similar to what can be seen in certain dog breeds like "blue" Pitties (Pitbulls) are more likely to be aggressive than non-blue pits. I just mean that the coloring could be an indication that something is different in the tortie.

BTW: I gave you a +1
BLUE pits? Hell, if I was a dog and someone ran up to me and splashed blue paint all over me, I'd probably be pissed too.
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Arinielle: To those talking about Torties.... >.> I used to have a tortie when I was little and now I have this little ball of fluff. There sure as hell is a thing called "tortitude".. but if it really is a thing.. don't know. But they all seem to have a real attitude about them different from others.. which is strange since that's just a coat coloring. Maybe because certain behaviors known more so from female cats ended up being all up in the tortie coats? o.O
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Rusty_Gunn: I'm not Felinephobic ;P (I do prefer dogs though) but if I may add just a bit to this discussion. I wonder if this "tortitude" is similar to what can be seen in certain dog breeds like "blue" Pitties (Pitbulls) are more likely to be aggressive than non-blue pits. I just mean that the coloring could be an indication that something is different in the tortie.
I've noticed certain behavioural traits in many colours of cats. Some examples include black cats being quiet and staring a lot, ginger cats being aggressive but cowardly, and a tendency for big grey toms to become the neighbourhood alpha. Leonardo's post above provides further supporting evidence for the last example, at least for me:

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LeonardoCornejo: I am starting to think that is average tortie behavior. I have two torties, their mother was one, thier father is a big grey cat who lives in the neighborhood and used to be a house cat but went feral. They have a sister who is white, according to the father's owner that is how the grandmother used to look like. The mother once ate a churro I bought for me when she was pregnant.
There's a half-wildcat in the neighbourhood, too. She doesn't seem to enjoy being petted much. Also, while she's friendly enough with me, she doesn't really like other cats.
I've never encountered another half-wildcat before, so I can't say if these behaviours are common or not. Just thought I'd make the observation.
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Arinielle: There's no point to it. Folks keep asking outside of gamers these days as to what women have really done in the industry. Claiming women have not in fact been allowed to make games. Which is what resulted in making a list or some of the bigger names and what they worked on.

That's the whole thing, there really is no reason for it. But SJWs and shit want to claim there is a problem where there isn't. There shouldn't be any fucking reason why we need to know a person's gender and list them by that. Sure, the list was being worked on to prove a point but there's more that just slip under the cracks. Far too much work for a group of people that just ignore it anyway for their own sake.

I just want my vidya, damn it. Why is that being so difficult without someone wanting to argue gender, politics, religion and shit with me? x_x
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Rusty_Gunn: I so agree with you, Just know that there people that want to drag gaming into the "real world"
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Arinielle: To those talking about Torties.... >.> I used to have a tortie when I was little and now I have this little ball of fluff. There sure as hell is a thing called "tortitude".. but if it really is a thing.. don't know. But they all seem to have a real attitude about them different from others.. which is strange since that's just a coat coloring. Maybe because certain behaviors known more so from female cats ended up being all up in the tortie coats? o.O
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Rusty_Gunn: I'm not Felinephobic ;P (I do prefer dogs though) but if I may add just a bit to this discussion. I wonder if this "tortitude" is similar to what can be seen in certain dog breeds like "blue" Pitties (Pitbulls) are more likely to be aggressive than non-blue pits. I just mean that the coloring could be an indication that something is different in the tortie.

BTW: I gave you a +1
I theorize the tortie behavior is the result of torties not being a selective breed but a fur pattern, which means most of them are crossed from different breeds, leading to a more individual personality.
Latest news is that USC cancelled a legends of the games industry panel four hours before it started because all the panelists were male.

http://heatst.com/culture-wars/usc-cancels-legends-of-the-games-industry-event-for-not-including-women/

http://nichegamer.com/2016/04/28/star-game-industry-panel-cancelled-last-hour-not-including-women/
Post edited April 29, 2016 by walpurgis8199
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walpurgis8199: Latest news is that USC cancelled a legends of the games industry panel four hours before it started because all the panelists were male.

http://heatst.com/culture-wars/usc-cancels-legends-of-the-games-industry-event-for-not-including-women/

http://nichegamer.com/2016/04/28/star-game-industry-panel-cancelled-last-hour-not-including-women/
That is not what we should call "forced" inclusivity right? RIGHT?