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Arinielle: Wut. It's been about two years or something with GamerGate... that's not a few years of GG-inspired.

But I guess y'all just can't stand not having your boogie man, eh? Have to rewrite history to make sure we're there to blame.
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Gilozard: 2 years is years of of people using the GG flag (2 > 1). So yeah, it's been years.

Also, I definitely ran into people who used the same tactics, for the same reasons, congregated in the same places and were very likely the same people, before the Anita Sarkesian/DepressionQuestDev harassment got the GG name started.

I think that's part of the problem - women and minorities have had actual lifetimes of having to wade through a ton of crap to try and enjoy their hobby, and their cup of rage is running over. I can easily see how someone who wasn't dealing with that would be blindsided by the anger the status quo had produced. But reacting like spoiled children to it was not the right way to handle things.
lol in this and all other posts you're just making dumb claims without shit to back it up. I asked you before and I ask you again, where the fuck is the proof of GG harassment? I searched a lot and didn't find any. Then of course your own little ideal world of gaters harassing minorities and women being harassed in gaming communities, all without proof. All you said is all worthless and insignificant without PROOF. LINK IT.
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LeonardoCornejo: Well, Beamdog stated they will remove the GG quote in Baldur's Gate. I am not sure if they are dumb or just pretend to be dumb. That is the least of the issues and the lowest one. I mean with poor writing, tokenism, character inconsistency, and tons of bugs, a mockery at a group is the least concern. We don't even mind the transgender and gay characters if they are well written and not just token characters. They should focus on improving the writing instead of trying to offer a crappy placebo.
Really? They will remove that? Actually that gives them (besides the bugs and bad writing) some kudos, because they recognize finally that no all people at GG deserves to be mocked (even if some seriously deserve it, SERIOUSLY I got some examples recently)

Anyway as I was saying in the release topic the worse thing is the writing:

The whole line about this Cleric for me is "I born boy but I always wanted to be a girl... " ok nice, actually nonsense at all in a world where you actually CAN BE a woman very easily and fullfill your dream (Why not to fit the lore and write an IMAGINATIVE story about "transexuality" between the lore? A story that maybe this Cleric was THE FIRST ONE THAT INVENTED A POTION TO CHANGE SEX... but hey! make sense and telling a nice story plus a great message is not important... nah! they need to POSE... and if you don´t like it YOU ARE BAD...

(Trans on gaming, Witcher 3, Inquisition, NOBODY complaint there, because they FIT the Lore)

Anyway, even considering that the whole thing is bad done, is more than acceptable when I read it, the thing that really made me had a FACEPALM is the line "my name is built by several sounds from different languages that all together express my TRUE ME"

Is so CHEESY and PRETENTIOUS, is is so ridiculous... it really sounds like a SOUTH PARK dialogue where Stan touches his nose when he listen it... could fit one of those EMPTY memes that we people have the weakness to sometimes post them on FACEBOOK to pretend to be so especial.
Post edited April 07, 2016 by YaTEdiGo
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LeonardoCornejo: Well, Beamdog stated they will remove the GG quote in Baldur's Gate. I am not sure if they are dumb or just pretend to be dumb. That is the least of the issues and the lowest one. I mean with poor writing, tokenism, character inconsistency, and tons of bugs, a mockery at a group is the least concern. We don't even mind the transgender and gay characters if they are well written and not just token characters. They should focus on improving the writing instead of trying to offer a crappy placebo.
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YaTEdiGo: Really? They will remove that? Actually that gives them (besides the bugs and bad writing) some kudos, because they recognize finally that no all people at GG deserves to be mocked (even if some seriously deserve it, SERIOUSLY I got some examples recently)

Anyway as I was saying in the release topic the worse thing is the writing:

The whole line about this Cleric for me is "I born boy but I always wanted to be a girl... " ok nice, actually nonsense at all in a world where you actually CAN BE a woman very easily and fullfill your dream (Why not to fit the lore and write an IMAGINATIVE story about "transexuality" between the lore? A story that maybe this Cleric was THE FIRST ONE THAT INVENTED A POTION TO CHANGE SEX... but hey! make sense and telling a nice story plus a great message is not important... nah! they need to POSE... and if you don´t like it YOU ARE BAD...

(Trans on gaming, Witcher 3, Inquisition, NOBODY complaint there, because they FIT the Lore)

Anyway, even considering that the whole thing is bad done, is more than acceptable when I read it, the thing that really made me had a FACEPALM is the line "my name is built by several sounds from different languages that all together express my TRUE ME"

Is so CHEESY and PRETENTIOUS, is is so ridiculous... it really sounds like a SOUTH PARK dialogue where Stan touches his nose when he listen it... could fit one of those EMPTY memes that we people have the weakness to sometimes post them on FACEBOOK to pretend to be so especial.
"my name is built by several sounds from different languages that all together express my TRUE ME"

Isn't that how the gooback language in Southpark was made?
Probably, it really sounds something like that.
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YaTEdiGo: Really? They will remove that? Actually that gives them (besides the bugs and bad writing) some kudos, because they recognize finally that no all people at GG deserves to be mocked (even if some seriously deserve it, SERIOUSLY I got some examples recently)

Anyway as I was saying in the release topic the worse thing is the writing:

The whole line about this Cleric for me is "I born boy but I always wanted to be a girl... " ok nice, actually nonsense at all in a world where you actually CAN BE a woman very easily and fullfill your dream (Why not to fit the lore and write an IMAGINATIVE story about "transexuality" between the lore? A story that maybe this Cleric was THE FIRST ONE THAT INVENTED A POTION TO CHANGE SEX... but hey! make sense and telling a nice story plus a great message is not important... nah! they need to POSE... and if you don´t like it YOU ARE BAD...

(Trans on gaming, Witcher 3, Inquisition, NOBODY complaint there, because they FIT the Lore)

Anyway, even considering that the whole thing is bad done, is more than acceptable when I read it, the thing that really made me had a FACEPALM is the line "my name is built by several sounds from different languages that all together express my TRUE ME"

Is so CHEESY and PRETENTIOUS, is is so ridiculous... it really sounds like a SOUTH PARK dialogue where Stan touches his nose when he listen it... could fit one of those EMPTY memes that we people have the weakness to sometimes post them on FACEBOOK to pretend to be so especial.
I'd say its bad that they're removing the meme. They should no by now that any reasonable human being wouldn't be so crazy as to find that offensive. Its said on very rare occasions and while it is lame, I'd much rather have it be in there rather than normalize this thing where games change every patch based on social media outrage (from whichever side it is on). I could get behind reversing some changes to classic characters but not removing something. And either way, the most consumers should be having a say is in saying ''that sucks, I don't like it'' and not ''I don't like it, change it''. I wouldn't call it insulting either. Its just lame writing. And even if something is insulting, it has the right to stay in the game.
The moment these kinds of changes become normalized, you'll have stories that self censor and change plot points between patches and in general provide a lesser experience than what we get now with very little or no plot / character alterations after release.
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YaTEdiGo: Really? They will remove that? Actually that gives them (besides the bugs and bad writing) some kudos, because they recognize finally that no all people at GG deserves to be mocked (even if some seriously deserve it, SERIOUSLY I got some examples recently)

Anyway as I was saying in the release topic the worse thing is the writing:

The whole line about this Cleric for me is "I born boy but I always wanted to be a girl... " ok nice, actually nonsense at all in a world where you actually CAN BE a woman very easily and fullfill your dream (Why not to fit the lore and write an IMAGINATIVE story about "transexuality" between the lore? A story that maybe this Cleric was THE FIRST ONE THAT INVENTED A POTION TO CHANGE SEX... but hey! make sense and telling a nice story plus a great message is not important... nah! they need to POSE... and if you don´t like it YOU ARE BAD...

(Trans on gaming, Witcher 3, Inquisition, NOBODY complaint there, because they FIT the Lore)

Anyway, even considering that the whole thing is bad done, is more than acceptable when I read it, the thing that really made me had a FACEPALM is the line "my name is built by several sounds from different languages that all together express my TRUE ME"

Is so CHEESY and PRETENTIOUS, is is so ridiculous... it really sounds like a SOUTH PARK dialogue where Stan touches his nose when he listen it... could fit one of those EMPTY memes that we people have the weakness to sometimes post them on FACEBOOK to pretend to be so especial.
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Shadowstalker16: I'd say its bad that they're removing the meme. They should no by now that any reasonable human being wouldn't be so crazy as to find that offensive. Its said on very rare occasions and while it is lame, I'd much rather have it be in there rather than normalize this thing where games change every patch based on social media outrage (from whichever side it is on). I could get behind reversing some changes to classic characters but not removing something. And either way, the most consumers should be having a say is in saying ''that sucks, I don't like it'' and not ''I don't like it, change it''. I wouldn't call it insulting either. Its just lame writing. And even if something is insulting, it has the right to stay in the game.
The moment these kinds of changes become normalized, you'll have stories that self censor and change plot points between patches and in general provide a lesser experience than what we get now with very little or no plot / character alterations after release.
Ummmm man, you are right. Totally right.
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Shadowstalker16: I'd say its bad that they're removing the meme. They should no by now that any reasonable human being wouldn't be so crazy as to find that offensive. Its said on very rare occasions and while it is lame, I'd much rather have it be in there rather than normalize this thing where games change every patch based on social media outrage (from whichever side it is on). I could get behind reversing some changes to classic characters but not removing something. And either way, the most consumers should be having a say is in saying ''that sucks, I don't like it'' and not ''I don't like it, change it''. I wouldn't call it insulting either. Its just lame writing. And even if something is insulting, it has the right to stay in the game.
The moment these kinds of changes become normalized, you'll have stories that self censor and change plot points between patches and in general provide a lesser experience than what we get now with very little or no plot / character alterations after release.
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YaTEdiGo: Ummmm man, you are right. Totally right.
Agreed, I'd like the classic characters changed the rest is cringeworthy but *shrug* I could mod it out if it really bothered me.

I don't think Beamdog is salvagable, they gave some "progressive" writer chick full reign to change the character traits of original characters because she didn't like how they were portrayed.
And then they let her gloat about that in an interview, sorry I'd rather see the BG saga die again than to give Beamdog another shot or money.

Not mentioning that it seems they managed to put more bugs in the enhanced Editions than the original....I mean that is a feat I admit.
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YaTEdiGo: Ummmm man, you are right. Totally right.
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Reaper9988: Agreed, I'd like the classic characters changed the rest is cringeworthy but *shrug* I could mod it out if it really bothered me.

I don't think Beamdog is salvagable, they gave some "progressive" writer chick full reign to change the character traits of original characters because she didn't like how they were portrayed.
And then they let her gloat about that in an interview, sorry I'd rather see the BG saga die again than to give Beamdog another shot or money.

Not mentioning that it seems they managed to put more bugs in the enhanced Editions than the original....I mean that is a feat I admit.
You also have the right to not consume their products, exactly, the same for criticize.
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HikariKyuubi: "Female gamers are subject to more abuse" very wrong, they're subjected to a different kind of abuse, but no less or no more than a man gets.

"excluded from gaming groups" only if they break the rules which will get anyone kicked out, women don't have it worse than men.
They get more abuse, more targeted and systemic abuse, and worse abuse. Shut your eyes any harder and that avatar dog of yours may get a migraine. .
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LeonardoCornejo: Well, Beamdog stated they will remove the GG quote in Baldur's Gate. I am not sure if they are dumb or just pretend to be dumb. That is the least of the issues and the lowest one. I mean with poor writing, tokenism, character inconsistency, and tons of bugs, a mockery at a group is the least concern.
Tell that to Tim Schafer. You'd be lying though.

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Reaper9988: I never actually seen real gendered harassment
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Reaper9988: Anita and Zoey, don't get the professional victims involved
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Reaper9988: the writer chick
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Reaper9988: writer chick
If you're experiencing a lot of stress, it's probably cognitive dissonance.
Post edited April 07, 2016 by Vainamoinen
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Reaper9988: Agreed, I'd like the classic characters changed the rest is cringeworthy but *shrug* I could mod it out if it really bothered me.

I don't think Beamdog is salvagable, they gave some "progressive" writer chick full reign to change the character traits of original characters because she didn't like how they were portrayed.
And then they let her gloat about that in an interview, sorry I'd rather see the BG saga die again than to give Beamdog another shot or money.

Not mentioning that it seems they managed to put more bugs in the enhanced Editions than the original....I mean that is a feat I admit.
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YaTEdiGo: You also have the right to not consume their products, exactly, the same for criticize.
Ayup that's the plan.
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YaTEdiGo: Really? They will remove that? Actually that gives them (besides the bugs and bad writing) some kudos, because they recognize finally that no all people at GG deserves to be mocked (even if some seriously deserve it, SERIOUSLY I got some examples recently)
That's the one thing they shouldn't be removing. We do deserve to get mocked, everyone does. That's what we've been fighting for. If we laugh when South Park ridicules the SJWs, we also need to take our own lumps, hamfisted as they might be.
Even though it pisses me off that they ruined an established character with contemporary bs (I absolutely love Minsc and Boo, they've made me laugh since BG1), they have purchased that right. If we scream and shout and do the same thing we didn't want the SJWs to do, how exactly are we going to make things better? How can we be the rational side if we scream just as loud over insignificant matters? How can we get vindication if no outsider can tell us apart from the other side? We need to do better, we need to *be* better, if we want to 'win'.

My goal was never to be the topdog in deciding what's okay (like the SJWs are doing); my goal was to destroy that position so *no one* could be the decider.
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Vainamoinen: They get more abuse, more targeted and systemic abuse, and worse abuse. Shut your eyes any harder and that avatar dog of yours may get a migraine.
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Vainamoinen: .
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LeonardoCornejo: Well, Beamdog stated they will remove the GG quote in Baldur's Gate. I am not sure if they are dumb or just pretend to be dumb. That is the least of the issues and the lowest one. I mean with poor writing, tokenism, character inconsistency, and tons of bugs, a mockery at a group is the least concern.
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Vainamoinen: Tell that to Tim Schafer. You'd be lying though.

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So she experienced harassment for being a woman? When she clearly said ''woman with an OPINION''? How much of this harassment do you view as sexism based and how much do you view as opinion based? And if she received harassment, every woman does? Logic longjump.

So you give examples of Anita Sarkeesian and ZQ as evidence of ''systemic'' harassment. Again, are they targeted because of gender or opinion? I don't see non critical women on steam get shouted down and I very often see critical men being shouted down. Does that mean systemic harassment of men as well?

What about Tim Schafer? Did someone tweet that they're going to go to his house with with an income tax manager and industrial grade sheep shears? People hate him for insulting a part of their movement. Simple, understandable and admissible. I don't expect you to like Trump, but I won't hold it against you. Same here.
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YaTEdiGo: Really? They will remove that? Actually that gives them (besides the bugs and bad writing) some kudos, because they recognize finally that no all people at GG deserves to be mocked (even if some seriously deserve it, SERIOUSLY I got some examples recently)
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Dessembrae_: That's the one thing they shouldn't be removing. We do deserve to get mocked, everyone does. That's what we've been fighting for. If we laugh when South Park ridicules the SJWs, we also need to take our own lumps, hamfisted as they might be.
Even though it pisses me off that they ruined an established character with contemporary bs (I absolutely love Minsc and Boo, they've made me laugh since BG1), they have purchased that right. If we scream and shout and do the same thing we didn't want the SJWs to do, how exactly are we going to make things better? How can we be the rational side if we scream just as loud over insignificant matters? How can we get vindication if no outsider can tell us apart from the other side? We need to do better, we need to *be* better, if we want to 'win'.

My goal was never to be the topdog in deciding what's okay (like the SJWs are doing); my goal was to destroy that position so *no one* could be the decider.
Yes, yes, I need to agree in all this. Actually I was blinded by so much censorship and people complaining about offenses, that we become the same... and this is wrong. :)

Is refreshing to be back to our roots! Fuck! lets mock GG!!!
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Vainamoinen: snip.
If you can read that Tumblr blog without having a laughing fit, you're part of the problem. Unless the person was going to the sleaziest places imaginable, that (more than likely) didn't happen. You'd need to be looking for places where that happens (and where anyone with 2 working braincells wouldn't go) to be able to suffer the things she says she did.

What she says has no evidence to back it up, so I'm not trusting it. People lie, and it seems to be common enough on the internet to warrant a subreddit for it (/r/thathappened if you didn't know).
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YaTEdiGo: Is refreshing to be back to our roots! Fuck! lets mock GG!!!
GG should have just taken the line and rolled with. Make it the new GG motto. "Actually, it's about ethics in heroic adventuring!" - even Minsc supports GG!

Would piss off anti-GG so bad.