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rcartledge1989: (Let's just hope Beamdog don't secure the rights to other beloved IPs in the near future)
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227: If they were to obtain the rights to something like Arcanum, I would explode into human confetti and probably take out a neighborhood in the process. Do you hear me, Beamdog? Do. Not. Touch. My. Precious.
Seconded.
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thegoatgod_pan: Nothing scream ethics in games journalism like trying to censor a game for the unforgivable crime of having a trans character, a joke about Gamer's Gate, and politics to the left of Trump.

Go fuck yourself Gamer's Gate. I take shits that are more ethical than you.
This is a troll account, surely? Everything you've written is inflammatory, including your username. (I don't appreciate the butchering of the title of Arthur Machen's novel.) You certainly know how to jimmy-rustle.
Oh never mind, I just found KotakuInAction which is the hotbed of context I've been looking for.
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a4plz: I'm never sure how to enter conversations about Gamergate because I've never understood what the core argument is supposed to be. Every source I read says GG is about ethics in games journalism, but all I ever hear Gators talking about is their bottomless hatred for poorly-executed "inclusive" writing in video games. Is that basically all that GG represents? Anti-PC sentiment in the gaming community?
Let me warn you. We do not engage in groupthink and we have no leaders which means every single one of us is focused on different things. Some focus only on ethical behavior, others focus on standing against censorship, others on standing against PC culture.

Some, like me, notice that unethical acts, PC culture, SJWs, and censorship come often together and focus on all those topics.

Trying to define us is impossible, and using pejoratives toward the movement will not be helpful to approach or understand us. If you want to engage in debate avoid any form of personal attack and avoid mockery for something we all agree with is that we want to be taken seriously.
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a4plz: Oh never mind, I just found KotakuInAction which is the hotbed of context I've been looking for.
Just ask there, or here about any doubts you have.
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galexman: Are there any actual reviews of this expansion? I'd like to see for my self whether it's any good or not, without having to buy it. I mean, if it's just those two lines everyone got angry about, then OK maybe people are going a little overboard. But if the game isn't any good as well, then I guess it's probably justified.
Unfortunately, most of all the criticism focuses around the bad multiplayer, ''SJW'' stuff and the many bugs. I haven't found any reviews yet on youtube either.
Post edited April 05, 2016 by Shadowstalker16
I copy & paste here what I already said in the release thread. If I already been having big doubts about mid-quel and how could match the game in terms of the Story and the Gameplay, including REAL WORLD BS in Forgotten Worlds because hey! I do not care about force or fake the story line...

BeamDog should consider that Dragon Age Origins was full of open gender views, and almost nobody complaint. But the criticism to this expansion is considered bigoted, yeah sure, why DDOrigins never had these numbers of complaints if both games have the same fanbase? Why not to consider even a small doubt about who is wrong here?

One of my favorite games recently is Life is Strange is a GREAT "SJW" topics game, with fantastic characters and amazing plot! But hey! the writer of Dragonspear feels "proud" of "force or fake" stories, #beafrustratedpoliticianmakesyouabadwriter and you also don´t care!

Deus Ex, Life is Strange or Shadowrun cover politics & culture issues. However, they do it in a way that fits in the Lore.

I am sorry, I am not even to wishlist a bad writer product that search to educate me not even fitting the lore, when I never needed to be educated as I always played even with GAY characters on DDOrigins, throwing me out of the Game Lore, by the way a very inclusive one, where people change sex even by spells since forever. (But I bet the writer knows much more about politics in Twitter than about DD Lore, and that seems important to Beamdog, you can keep your expansion for yourselves)
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LeonardoCornejo: Let me warn you. We do not engage in groupthink and we have no leaders which means every single one of us is focused on different things. Some focus only on ethical behavior, others focus on standing against censorship, others on standing against PC culture.

Some, like me, notice that unethical acts, PC culture, SJWs, and censorship come often together and focus on all those topics.

Trying to define us is impossible, and using pejoratives toward the movement will not be helpful to approach or understand us. If you want to engage in debate avoid any form of personal attack and avoid mockery for something we all agree with is that we want to be taken seriously.
I'm slightly weirded out by the "we vs. you" dichotomy in this post, but I want to assure you I didn't mean anything pejorative toward anybody in this thread, if that's what you're suggesting. Just curious for information since google has only ever returned me GG-related news articles, which are always very 2-dimensional on the topic.
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LeonardoCornejo: Let me warn you. We do not engage in groupthink and we have no leaders which means every single one of us is focused on different things. Some focus only on ethical behavior, others focus on standing against censorship, others on standing against PC culture.

Some, like me, notice that unethical acts, PC culture, SJWs, and censorship come often together and focus on all those topics.

Trying to define us is impossible, and using pejoratives toward the movement will not be helpful to approach or understand us. If you want to engage in debate avoid any form of personal attack and avoid mockery for something we all agree with is that we want to be taken seriously.
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a4plz: I'm slightly weirded out by the "we vs. you" dichotomy in this post, but I want to assure you I didn't mean anything pejorative toward anybody in this thread, if that's what you're suggesting. Just curious for information since google has only ever returned me GG-related news articles, which are always very 2-dimensional on the topic.
My apologies. It was never my intention to speak in a "we vs you" tone. I wanted to talk to you as an insider talking to an outsider. Sort of like a tour guide explaining a few misconceptions about our "organization". You see, we are, as I said, very diverse in our views, and in fact I have met many pleasant people of groups usually coopted by SJWs. I have met many vegans, transgenders, and even feminists who actually agree with GG and work for goals similar to mine thanks to GG. Not all of them are GamerGate supporters.

Now, I since you used the term "gator" which is often used by our detractors as a form of ad hominem to dismiss our views or make them seem as petty arguments I considered necessary to inform you that the best way to engage with us is to take us seriously.

When I used the term "warn" was because I considered it necessary to warn outsiders to not make assumptions about any of us based on others you find. You see, as I mentioned we are very diverse in views, even our more known supporters are very diverse in views. For example Milo Yianopoulos has expressed mild disliking toward transgenders while most GamerGate supporters are neutral to them. I for example am mildly neutral, I think they are not that in tune with reality, but as long as they do not cause problems I don''t stand against them.

You will be surprised of how many different views compose GamerGate, I bet some supporters on the ethics only part might actually agree with some of the statements made by SJWs but consider SJWs use unethical means to achieve the same goal and that is where they draw the line.

Another example of how diverse our views are compared to those of SJWs is the response to cases such as that of Bahar Mustafa and Rapp. Some GG supporters consider Mustafa irrelevant and don't even talk about her, others cheer over her fall because they consider all SJWs deserve punishment, and most actually support her free speech regardless of her idiocy. And with Rapp the views are even more diverse, from those who would like to put her on a stake and equate her to a child molester to people like me, who consider her a very stupid girl but agree with her on the fictional depictions of sexual content with minors not being a crime and not equal to real child pornography.

You see, we don't always agree on everything, but when we don't agree that does not mean we hate each other and a disagreement or unpopular opinion will much likely not make you the target of hatred among GG unless it is support of something SJWs or unethical journalists take part in such as tokenism, paid reviews, and so on.

That is our difference with SJWs and AGG in general. They will stab you in the back for no reason. One example was when Brianna Wu, vocal AGG talked to a guy who was not in line with SJWs and became the target of ostracism and real harassment from AGG and SJWs in general.

You could say we are not an homogenous mass, especially not regarding opinions.
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thegoatgod_pan: Nothing scream ethics in games journalism like trying to censor a game for the unforgivable crime of having a trans character, a joke about Gamer's Gate, and politics to the left of Trump.

Go fuck yourself Gamer's Gate. I take shits that are more ethical than you.
As unforgivable as Manara Spiderwoman ass, a Pin Up Shirt for a scientist or women Butts in games?
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thegoatgod_pan: Nothing scream ethics in games journalism like trying to censor a game for the unforgivable crime of having a trans character, a joke about Gamer's Gate, and politics to the left of Trump.

Go fuck yourself Gamer's Gate. I take shits that are more ethical than you.
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YaTEdiGo: As unforgivable as Manara Spiderwoman ass, a Pin Up Shirt for a scientist or women Butts in games?
To add what YaTEdiGo said, as unforgivable as a limerick on a tombstone in a game, game devs tweeting a picture of a barmaid holding a pair of mugs?
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LeonardoCornejo: many words
I appreciate the pep talk, thanks. I've been watching a lot of videos by egalitarian critics lately (Milo included!) and I think the diversity of individual opinions in that movement is refreshing. Quarrels about social justice in video games often seem a bit petty by comparison -- I've seen so many gamers revert into 6 year olds whenever their expectations aren't met -- but I feel like it's important to follow this stuff if I want to understand gamer culture at the moment.
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LeonardoCornejo: many words
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a4plz: I appreciate the pep talk, thanks. I've been watching a lot of videos by egalitarian critics lately (Milo included!) and I think the diversity of individual opinions in that movement is refreshing. Quarrels about social justice in video games often seem a bit petty by comparison -- I've seen so many gamers revert into 6 year olds whenever their expectations aren't met -- but I feel like it's important to follow this stuff if I want to understand gamer culture at the moment.
''Gamer culture'' will very greatly across games. GG is kind of a melting pot for that and various stuff like opposition to censorship and promotion of free speech. So be careful of the political tones, which are undoubtedly present. And of course remember there is no formal membership for gaming culture or any ideas you need to hold to be valid in that culture other than enjoying one or many videogames.
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Shadowstalker16: And of course remember there is no formal membership for gaming culture or any ideas you need to hold to be valid in that culture other than enjoying one or many videogames.
Yes! The magic is gone when people forget why they started playing video games in the first place.
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Shadowstalker16: And of course remember there is no formal membership for gaming culture or any ideas you need to hold to be valid in that culture other than enjoying one or many videogames.
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a4plz: Yes! The magic is gone when people forget why they started playing video games in the first place.
The problem lies in the conflict between two world views.

One side (gaming culture at-large, bros, GG) sees video games as a fun hobby with a universe of possibilities and only limited by human imagination.

The other side (SJWs, bronies, gender fluid walruses, left wing witch doctors and media whores) sees video games as a platform to use as an indoctrination weapon to force a series of very bad ideas into the heads of unwitting consumers.

I think the choice is an easy one. The next time you play a video game, just make sure to be wearing They Live sunglasses. Things become perfectly clear.
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Emob78: The other side (SJWs, bronies, gender fluid walruses, left wing witch doctors and media whores)
Mmm, yes. Your side is clearly the more reasonable one. I can tell that by the frothing at your mouth.