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markrichardb: So I was thinking of a Witcher 3 line today and might as well pop it here - ‘Don’t train alone, it only embeds your errors.’

What do I mean by that? Well, gaming journalists tend to congregate around hotspots for gaming studios like New York and San Francisco. This helps with their job obviously; networking is a vital part of journalism. The problem is when everybody is in the same place, they tend to get less ‘worldly’, and hold similar views, constantly reinforcing each other’s opinions. Everybody knows everybody, and they all exist in a bubble.

I looked over the staff locations for Polygon and Kotaku to illustrate. Out of 20 Polygon staff, 6 were from New York and 4 were from San Francisco (though I think 1 just lived really close). Out of 11 Kotaku staff, 7 were from New York! That’s crazy. I wonder if old media can match those ratios.
Yes they are very unlikely to have diversity of opinion. I'd be very interested to see a Polish game journo's take on TW3, but that don't exist. The most diverse it can get now is to have a talent-less hack diversity hire who spews the same BS as the people who hired them. That's why I make it a point to read steam reviews. I've checked out IGN UK and it wasn't very different from IGN USA, and sadly, Kotaku Japan is in Japanese.
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Rusty_Gunn: " hugbox
A hugbox is a derogatory term for an environment, usually on the internet, in which a group with similar interests gathers to discuss topics in what they intend to be a safe, comforting, and confrontation-free environment."

via the urban dictionary
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Shadowstalker16: lol like safe spaces and black student unions? What about GamerGhazi which bans all proGG on sight or neogaf where citing lines from their own TOS as defense will get you banned? Yeah this guy has a hypocrisy problem if he didn't already.

Also : http://kukuruyo.com/comic/gamergate-life-69-english/
uyup, those darn garbergoobers =P IMHO Vain is projecting at "Stark industry Repulsor Beam" intensity here

And I think that comic strip is more relevant with Fem Freq being part of Twitter's new ‘Trust and Safety Council’

Not that I have used twitter for more than reading material
Why is this guy even looking into games : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1SD0_utWf0 ??
No one could even identify the religious figure he claims is ''offensive''. Kinda sad to see this spread. There are kids who dress up as this deity and I don't see them being branded ''offensive''.
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Vainamoinen: Spectacular case of selective memory. I thought the idea of 'downvotes' to be hilariously childish since 2006 at the very least, and have been a driving behind the scenes force in appealing to Telltale to remove downvotes from their new forum, ever since I beta tested it in 2012. You'll find my protest against the GOG way sprinkled in this very thread. You'll just have to look a bit harder.
A. GOG launched in 2008. And you've only been a member since 2010... unless your Vain identity is a shit-stirring alt-account... ?

B. Oh, you mean outside of GOG? Of course your alleged activism is "behind the scenes" and thus unverifiable, but we should believe you... Riiight.

C. Complaining about your own borderline-abusive posts being downrepped is not the same thing as supporting the idea of removing downvoting.

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Vainamoinen: The 'rep war' is fought and won by downvote trolls, and even though you weren't aware just now, you're heavily implying on what 'side' those trolls are most found. I haven't really posted anywhere for two weeks and saw my rep going down daily.
Nice try, but the reality is simply that gamergate is happy to finish what you and your buddies started. As for your sudden concern about rep trolling... I'm not involved in any kind of organized effort, so I don't know what to tell you. Maybe try a public apology for all the accusations, insults, etc? Perhaps they'll take pity on you.

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Vainamoinen: Downvotes need to go, entirely.
Then perhaps you should have supported the idea when I mentioned it in various threads (in several more than the previously linked threads). Or maybe voted for the wish before this week? It's been up for a long time now.

Still, better late than never I suppose. Thanks for the support, comrade. ;)
Post edited February 10, 2016 by SeduceMePlz
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SeduceMePlz: snip
In the interest of fairness, and as a credible witness (as one of Vaina's favorite "targets") I will mention I recall him voicing displeasure at the downvoting system at least a couple times - and not just in the context of this thread. I disagree with him that a transparent system would lead to more abuse / retaliation, but despite not being able (or really willing) to vouch for what he actually does, I can vouch he does talk about it.
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SeduceMePlz: snip
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Brasas: credible witness
Very well. I do trust your honesty in general, even when we disagree, so I'll take your word for it and stop giving Vain a hard time. Consider it dropped.
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Brasas: credible witness
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SeduceMePlz: Very well. I do trust your honesty in general, even when we disagree, so I'll take your word for it and stop giving Vain a hard time. Consider it dropped.
If only the debate about better "games journalism" could've been so quick
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Klumpen0815: Seeing how the probably most active downrepper (at least in the past) is advertising the removal of this function boggles my mind.
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Vainamoinen: That's your automatic confusion that always comes up when the prejudice you base your theories on is challenged by contradictory evidence. That way, you preserve your prejudice and the perceived integrity of the evidently faulty if not disproven base theory. No particular relation to gamergate – unfortunately. The Cologne thread was full to the brim with that kind of prejudice preserving confusion.
There is no "confusion", I simply think that you're a hypocrite.
Look, this contradiction I mentioned leads to two possible conclusions
A: You didn't vote down people all the time regardless of everything that indicated it
or B: Your talk and your actions are contradictory because principles are not the driving force of your actions and the end probably justifies the means for you.
Seeing how you have proven your dishonesty already (with the made up quotation of RWarehall for example, which was extremely low) I still go with B in this case.

Funny how the one that most narrow mindedly keeps his prejudices (towards GamerGate as one example of many) at all costs due to his ideology is accusing others of repeated prejudice preserving.

In the last few weeks I have gotten the points for new posts per day and high rated posts again without seeing them going down again immediately which has been happening for a very long time since I had my first discussion here in this thread. Now Vainamoinen is back and "bam" it's happening again.

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Vainamoinen: Downvotes need to go, entirely.
Exactly, so that people whose ideology (pc-culture for example) is filling them with intolerance and hatred aren't tempted to use it as well as to take away the candy from the downrep trolls.

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Vainamoinen: Disclaimer: I have asked some friends in other forums to vote in this poll if they're interested in making GOG a more welcoming place. These are primarily game studio forums the devs of which have been hit hardest by gamergate (because they spoke out most strongly against gamergate and/or have published games that visibly considered inclusion and diversity) and consequently what you'll find there are community members most opposed to gamergate.

Those are the votes your wish is getting right now.
I knew that you brought your hive and you can't tell me, that none of those is voting people down here.
Why would you invite people here that are no customers on Gog? To back you up because you need to make war everywhere.

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SeduceMePlz: I suspect his support now has mostly to do with realizing that he is on the losing side of the rep war.
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Vainamoinen: Sure, why not. The 'rep war' is fought and won by downvote trolls, and even though you weren't aware just now, you're heavily implying on what 'side' those trolls are most found. I haven't really posted anywhere for two weeks and saw my rep going down daily. Some gamergate related guy who shall remain unnamed here has, in the last month, collected almost 200 rep without really posting anywhere sensibly.
Could you please try to be honest once? Stop hinting at things and speak out freely.
Surprise me in a positive way, I'm always open for it.

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Vainamoinen: And THEN, you can look forward to seeing me in this thread again. You wanted that balanced discussion stuff, right?
Stop with the false promises already, you won't stay away and didn't the last few dozen times you said you would, because you have to spread your constant toxicity.

That said, at least we agree when it comes to getting rid of this downrep function.
Post edited February 10, 2016 by Klumpen0815
Stuff in square brackets is inaccurate information. Please refer post# 6598 and 6599.
Article : https://archive.is/BA6R7

Topic : [Authority and one of the most recognized experts on gender dysphoria who held opinion that pre-teen kids shouldn't be subjected to sex reassignment and that kids of that age who may have it will grow out of it, gets shut down from research after flimsy independent report alleges child abuse claims without proof. SJW media celebrates that a pro''correction'' guy and the most looked up to in the field gets fired and lets loose on..........]

Written by : Jesse Singal, SJW science ''journalist'' who bought into the narrative about GG

What happened : journo [gits good]; writes [accurate] article; gets punished for being dissident of the church of SocJus

Guy who [gitted the gud] says : http://archive.is/ewiJO

So that means
GG=worse than ISIS
Tumbitter=100,000X worse than GG
Tumbitter=100,000X times worse than ISIS

[And Canada will have more 4-12 year olds doing sex reassignment before puberty. Win win win for pedos I guess.]

But aGG looked past this guys bad fact checking when he smeared GG but took to the streets when he touched on trans issues ;P
Post edited February 11, 2016 by Shadowstalker16
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Shadowstalker16: Article : https://archive.is/BA6R7

Topic : Authority and one of the most recognized experts on gender dysphoria who held opinion that pre-teen kids shouldn't be subjected to sex reassignment and that kids of that age who may have it will grow out of it, gets shut down from research after flimsy independent report alleges child abuse claims without proof. SJW media celebrates that a pro''correction'' guy and the most looked up to in the field gets fired and lets loose on..........

Written by : Jesse Singal, SJW science ''journalist'' who bought into the narrative about GG

What happened : journo gits good; writes accurate article; gets punished for being dissident of the church of SocJus

Guy who gitted the gud says : http://archive.is/ewiJO

So that means
GG=worse than ISIS
Tumbitter=100,000X worse than GG
Tumbitter=100,000X times worse than ISIS

And Canada will have more 4-12 year olds doing sex reassignment before puberty. Win win win for pedos I guess.
(This is my first post in this thread, in case you are keeping track.)

This article omits some very important information.

Here's an article from a trans woman who was interviewed for the article, but whose information was excluded from the actual article:
http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2016/02/placing-ken-zuckers-clinic-in.html

tl;dr: The "authority" you mention was a proponent of conversion therapy, a practice that has been shown to do serious harm and not accomplish what it claims to. (There's a reason some places have started banning it for those under 18.)

Your claim about 4-12 year olds undergoing sex reassignment is nonsense; all that will be done is that they will be allowed to express their gender identity outwardly. Nothing reversible needs to be even considered before puberty. (Even then, hormone blockers can be used to delay having to make the decision until the child is ready to.)

Also, sex reassignment surgery is not the "be all, end all" of transition, and you will not notice if a person you know has had it, unless that person shows you their genitals. In fact, many people who transition (especially those going from female to male) choose not to undergo the surgery.

Finally, the article was not good, as it omitted important details (those Julia Serano mentioned in the interview), and hence the journalist deserves to be punished for it; he's not doing his job properly!
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dtgreene: (This is my first post in this thread, in case you are keeping track.)

This article omits some very important information.

Here's an article from a trans woman who was interviewed for the article, but whose information was excluded from the actual article:
http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2016/02/placing-ken-zuckers-clinic-in.html

tl;dr: The "authority" you mention was a proponent of conversion therapy, a practice that has been shown to do serious harm and not accomplish what it claims to. (There's a reason some places have started banning it for those under 18.)

Your claim about 4-12 year olds undergoing sex reassignment is nonsense; all that will be done is that they will be allowed to express their gender identity outwardly. Nothing reversible needs to be even considered before puberty. (Even then, hormone blockers can be used to delay having to make the decision until the child is ready to.)

Also, sex reassignment surgery is not the "be all, end all" of transition, and you will not notice if a person you know has had it, unless that person shows you their genitals. In fact, many people who transition (especially those going from female to male) choose not to undergo the surgery.

Finally, the article was not good, as it omitted important details (those Julia Serano mentioned in the interview), and hence the journalist deserves to be punished for it; he's not doing his job properly!
(Sorry for your loss??)

You're right on the money with this one! I'm glad to say that I agree with you!

The article only appeared to me to be good because the journo framed it in such a way as to present his opposition as being unscientific while his methods being scientific, when in reality, his theories and the theories of people who want their kids to go in for SRAS are both potentially unhealthy and harmful to the children.

The only thing he seemed to get right was that the study that was used to get him out was not fact based, which is true but still doesn't account for the equal lack of scientific support for his methods as opposed to his critics'. I looked into his theories on wikipedia and found that they have the potential to cause harm; and may be as harmful as misdiagnosed early SRAS.

I checked the original thread on KiA and the truth is in the process of reaching the top. Just look down from the first main comment chain to the one started by a guy with the word ''Darby'' in his name : https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/44wf6u/socjus_cosmic_irony_onetime_agg_journo_jesse/

I don't care if they look different TBH, its not my concern as far as they got what they paid for.

Thanks for pointing it out! Will edit the original post.
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dtgreene: (This is my first post in this thread, in case you are keeping track.)

This article omits some very important information.

Here's an article from a trans woman who was interviewed for the article, but whose information was excluded from the actual article:
http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2016/02/placing-ken-zuckers-clinic-in.html

tl;dr: The "authority" you mention was a proponent of conversion therapy, a practice that has been shown to do serious harm and not accomplish what it claims to. (There's a reason some places have started banning it for those under 18.)

Your claim about 4-12 year olds undergoing sex reassignment is nonsense; all that will be done is that they will be allowed to express their gender identity outwardly. Nothing reversible needs to be even considered before puberty. (Even then, hormone blockers can be used to delay having to make the decision until the child is ready to.)

Also, sex reassignment surgery is not the "be all, end all" of transition, and you will not notice if a person you know has had it, unless that person shows you their genitals. In fact, many people who transition (especially those going from female to male) choose not to undergo the surgery.

Finally, the article was not good, as it omitted important details (those Julia Serano mentioned in the interview), and hence the journalist deserves to be punished for it; he's not doing his job properly!
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Shadowstalker16: (Sorry for your loss??)

You're right on the money with this one! I'm glad to say that I agree with you!

The article only appeared to me to be good because the journo framed it in such a way as to present his opposition as being unscientific while his methods being scientific, when in reality, his theories and the theories of people who want their kids to go in for SRAS are both potentially unhealthy and harmful to the children.

The only thing he seemed to get right was that the study that was used to get him out was not fact based, which is true but still doesn't account for the equal lack of scientific support for his methods as opposed to his critics'. I looked into his theories on wikipedia and found that they have the potential to cause harm; and may be as harmful as misdiagnosed early SRAS.

I checked the original thread on KiA and the truth is in the process of reaching the top. Just look down from the first main comment chain to the one started by a guy with the word ''Darby'' in his name : https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/44wf6u/socjus_cosmic_irony_onetime_agg_journo_jesse/

I don't care if they look different TBH, its not my concern as far as they got what they paid for.

Thanks for pointing it out! Will edit the original post.
This here shows why "Trust but verify" is important IMHO

Thank you dtgreene, with a subject that I (at least) do not know much about.
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Shadowstalker16: Stuff in square brackets is inaccurate information. Please refer post# 6598 and 6599.
Article : https://archive.is/BA6R7

Topic : [Authority and one of the most recognized experts on gender dysphoria who held opinion that pre-teen kids shouldn't be subjected to sex reassignment and that kids of that age who may have it will grow out of it, gets shut down from research after flimsy independent report alleges child abuse claims without proof. SJW media celebrates that a pro''correction'' guy and the most looked up to in the field gets fired and lets loose on..........]

Written by : Jesse Singal, SJW science ''journalist'' who bought into the narrative about GG

What happened : journo [gits good]; writes [accurate] article; gets punished for being dissident of the church of SocJus

Guy who [gitted the gud] says : http://archive.is/ewiJO

So that means
GG=worse than ISIS
Tumbitter=100,000X worse than GG
Tumbitter=100,000X times worse than ISIS

[And Canada will have more 4-12 year olds doing sex reassignment before puberty. Win win win for pedos I guess.]

But aGG looked past this guys bad fact checking when he smeared GG but took to the streets when he touched on trans issues ;P
Heck, so prepubescent minors can't consent but they can get hormone treatments or surgery? That IS wrong in so many ways, a 4 year old child (Or any prepubescent minor) should not be put through hormone treatments or reassignment surgery just because of identity politics. That is JUST AS WRONG AS ALLOWING A PREPUBESCENT MINOR TO CONSENT. And children do grow out of it most of the time.

It makes me sick that SJWs try to force their agenda down everyone's trhoat.

Also, be careful with dtgreene, might seem well intentioned at first, but trust me, that user derrails threads (Even unrelated) to transgender stuff, and is pretty much a supporter of ANYTHING that SJWs state or do in favor of transgenders. It's actions have become a primary nuisance for many users in many threads which HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH TRANSGENDERS. Also that user gets very triggered by any form of "missgendering" or wrong use of pronouns. So watch out, do not trust it´s outward appearance or appaent good intentions, that user is an agenda pusher.
Well Vainamoanin' been postin' and here I am doin' links to Skarskeezyanne sh*t. Lol, just like the good ol' days. X^D

Vid: Twitter Recruits Crazed Feminist to Police Free Speech
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Shadowstalker16: Stuff in square brackets is inaccurate information. Please refer post# 6598 and 6599.
Article : https://archive.is/BA6R7

Topic : [Authority and one of the most recognized experts on gender dysphoria who held opinion that pre-teen kids shouldn't be subjected to sex reassignment and that kids of that age who may have it will grow out of it, gets shut down from research after flimsy independent report alleges child abuse claims without proof. SJW media celebrates that a pro''correction'' guy and the most looked up to in the field gets fired and lets loose on..........]

Written by : Jesse Singal, SJW science ''journalist'' who bought into the narrative about GG

What happened : journo [gits good]; writes [accurate] article; gets punished for being dissident of the church of SocJus

Guy who [gitted the gud] says : http://archive.is/ewiJO

So that means
GG=worse than ISIS
Tumbitter=100,000X worse than GG
Tumbitter=100,000X times worse than ISIS

[And Canada will have more 4-12 year olds doing sex reassignment before puberty. Win win win for pedos I guess.]

But aGG looked past this guys bad fact checking when he smeared GG but took to the streets when he touched on trans issues ;P
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LeonardoCornejo: Heck, so prepubescent minors can't consent but they can get hormone treatments or surgery? That IS wrong in so many ways, a 4 year old child (Or any prepubescent minor) should not be put through hormone treatments or reassignment surgery just because of identity politics. That is JUST AS WRONG AS ALLOWING A PREPUBESCENT MINOR TO CONSENT. And children do grow out of it most of the time.

It makes me sick that SJWs try to force their agenda down everyone's trhoat.

Also, be careful with dtgreene, might seem well intentioned at first, but trust me, that user derrails threads (Even unrelated) to transgender stuff, and is pretty much a supporter of ANYTHING that SJWs state or do in favor of transgenders. It's actions have become a primary nuisance for many users in many threads which HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH TRANSGENDERS. Also that user gets very triggered by any form of "missgendering" or wrong use of pronouns. So watch out, do not trust it´s outward appearance or appaent good intentions, that user is an agenda pusher.
Yes, pre-teen sex reassignment is very risky to do. The problem in the post I made was that the doctor who got dismissed used techniques as unscientific and unproven as identity politics to ''convert'' children with gender dysphoria; and those methods could do real harm and have as bad an effect as an improperly / assumption-based prescribed sex reassignment.
The method by which he was dismissed (by citing instances of child abuse that did not happen) was shady, but using unproven procedures on patients is unethical for doctors to do. No question that the ID politics people like him gone, but it was risky to keep him and risk him accidentally doing harm. The people who did the report that got him kicked should be looked into, for lying.

This thread is risky to post in; and obviously barely has a fixed topic to discuss so I wouldn't be too worried. Anyone worried about their rep wouldn't be posting here much either.