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Gnostic: The former Evolved community manager, Josh Olin shared his side of the story.

The short story is he got fired for saying a variation of the first amendment, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Problem is freedom of speech only protect him from Government persecution, the general public and private institutions can do whatever the they want provided it doesn't break the law. Moral and Ethics is not required. A business institution can fire an employee if said employee action may harm the company business.

I had been in a conflicting mind what to blame for this issue. Josh for bring up a variation of the First Amendment? The company for wanting to protecting their business? The masses for exercising their right of the First Amendment saying what they think?

Or there's nothing to blame at all, as the current law works for most people and is the best people can do to come to an equilibrium, changing that will trample the rights of the majority of people and companies. One or two sacrifices have to be made for the good of the majority?
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YaTEdiGo: Leigh Alexander threatened a developer on Twitter saying she was a MEGAPHONE and she would make him not get any job. These are the people that defend, 3rd generation " equalism", this is the example of "social justice", you guys think they deserve to be listened?
As opposed to no one deserved to be listen at all unless it fit a certain social justice criteria?

I know the system is not perfect, but I think no censorship unless it break the law / doxx / death mail is better then that.

Deserved to be listen is not same as deserved to be followed. People can say whatever they want as their right, but its up to the criticism of others. If the majority humanity intelligence is worth something, statements that is illogical will not be followed, or when hitting a brick wall by following the statement, the majority of humanity will learn to turn back.
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LeonardoCornejo: I get the feeling Ubi, which supported SJWs for a while, might start to get tired of them soon.
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dragonbeast: Oh they did. Supposedly there are a number of small things in the latest AC that mock them.

And BTW, 2 publishers boycotting one of the largest gaming sites is not a conspiracy, it's a big middle finger to kotaku from them.

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LeonardoCornejo: Oh, and also I wonder if you could elaborate on the "Dragon's Dogma is for pedophiles" part I don't fully know the context but honestly I don't want to look it up on the internet and give revenue to such losers.
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dragonbeast: I'm going to make a guess and say you meant dragons CROWN, a game of which a kotaku writer basically said "devs should stop letting horny teenagers design their characters"
Puritans, Dragon Crown has arts similar to great comic artists and exaggerated almost fat women, if for puritans like most part of these SJW were existed before some of the better movies, stories, even books or music were will never been released, or fiercely criticized.

Is a SICK generation, impregnated by a new conservative values, mixed with "leftist" ideals, as I said is so twisted that can accept misogyny in religions, and get crazy about cartoons.
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RWarehall: Personally, I think the company overreacted. Not sure how much I blame the company because I wouldn't be surprised if the "SJW brigade" jumped on the Tweet and made a big deal about it. The company tried to put out the fire and thought cutting off the infected limb might help; only to find the Tweet wasn't really as offensive as the "offended brigade" made it seem...

But at that point there was no turning back...
That may be the case, it can be handled like get him to apologize regardless he is right or not..
Like what GoG did, when one employee dared state his / her personal views before processing refunds on Pillars of Eternity.

These days PR people have no rights to their personal views when they sign up for the job, without risking their job......
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In case no one has posted it yet...

Christina Sommers was on Joe Rogan's show the other day. 3 hours of Gamergate, feminism, and philosophy fun.

http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/christina-sommers
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LeonardoCornejo:
Yeah I keep mixing those 2 games up, I meant dragon's crown
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LeonardoCornejo:
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WBGhiro: Yeah I keep mixing those 2 games up, I meant dragon's crown
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I'm not seeing how she is "loli" at all "tall" "leggy" "busty" "woman" does not equal child to me.
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Emob78: In case no one has posted it yet...

Christina Sommers was on Joe Rogan's show the other day. 3 hours of Gamergate, feminism, and philosophy fun.

http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/christina-sommers
Excellent! Followed by an interview with the always enlightening legendary Graham Hancock!

Sound only Hancock interview.

Also, the youtube versions are slightly shorter and you can actually see them talking! Amazing!
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Rusty_Gunn
That's funny because Alexander is doing pretty well for herself, working for boingboing and all.

RWarehall
So I'm stupid for listening to academics, sociologists, and others who go through the peer review process? I'm sorry, but I don't think that makes me stupid. And pointing out a lack of diversity isn't a lie, and neither is pointing out misogyny. It's all a matter of perspective, and opinion.
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ryannaughton1138: Rusty_Gunn
That's funny because Alexander is doing pretty well for herself, working for boingboing and all.

RWarehall
So I'm stupid for listening to academics, sociologists, and others who go through the peer review process? I'm sorry, but I don't think that makes me stupid. And pointing out a lack of diversity isn't a lie, and neither is pointing out misogyny. It's all a matter of perspective, and opinion.
You are stupid for not thinking for yourself and not listening to others. You are just a troll. We pointed out how the 77% statistic is misleading...where's your response? (chirp chirp chirp)
We've shown that in the attempt to answer the question whether women are making the same as men FOR THE SAME WORK, they essentially are within a number of cents on a dollar. But you have your head stuck so far up your own ass to realize it.

Please, show us the "misogyny". Do you even know what the word means? I think not...
And the fact you feel there is no issue in exaggerating and distorting the truth makes you a complete and total asshole. Opinion is not an excuse for being an idiot...
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ryannaughton1138: Rusty_Gunn
That's funny because Alexander is doing pretty well for herself, working for boingboing and all.

RWarehall
So I'm stupid for listening to academics, sociologists, and others who go through the peer review process? I'm sorry, but I don't think that makes me stupid. And pointing out a lack of diversity isn't a lie, and neither is pointing out misogyny. It's all a matter of perspective, and opinion.
Alexander is not doing well working for boingboing. First of all her page has much less reach than where she was before, not only that, nobody except for people with the same political agenda visits it. And BoingBoing might face legal issues soon.
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RWarehall

Yes, I heard what you had to say about the statics, and you've never given an aqueduct explanation for why they are misleading. Other than misplaced distrust in authority, you got nothing. So please, enlighten me.
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ryannaughton1138: hedwards
I fight against my own best interest? I am a straight white dude, and as such I am as well off as you can be in the first world. My best interests are fairly secure.
Seriously? Unless you're a millionaire with a conservative portfolio, you're not secure. You might be comfortable right now, but god help you if you ever lose your job and can't find another one, because we don't as a society provide any meaningful support to white men that are down on their luck.

This is the same basic rhetoric that the rich use to rationalize why they have things they didn't earn and it's equally specious here. You've been fortunate enough not to get cancer or have a brain injury, there's absolutely no reason why it couldn't happen to you. And if it does, I'm sure you'll still be fighting for women's rights even as you notice that there's no place in any of the homeless shelters for men and that the money that's been placed on encouraging women to displace men in various sectors of the economy could more reasonably have been used for non-sexist purposes. Like finding homes for all of the homeless.

For better or for worse, society values women and considers men to be cannon fodder and mostly deserving of whatever they get. I think it's bullshit.
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ryannaughton1138: RWarehall

Yes, I heard what you had to say about the statics, and you've never given an aqueduct explanation for why they are misleading. Other than misplaced distrust in authority, you got nothing. So please, enlighten me.
Statistics and those who present them aren't authority. The main statistic used for the gender pay gap conspiracy is arrived at by counting all the men and counting all the women and then dividing the total salary money spent between them. So if there are more men than women, it will lead to men having higher ''pay'' in this ''study'', if women are lesser and earn more than men, the salary of individual women may be higher but males may win out due to numbers.

Using that study as some kind proof is seriously delusional. Milo conducted a similar ''study'' with con vs lib journos. He divided journos into lib and con and collected a total salary paid statistic by adding up salaries from all the journo outlets. Then he divided the number among among the number of lib and con journos. Lib journos earn more. Because there are more of them. Con journos earn less but there are only a few of them. So if your an equity person and believe in the ''gender pay gap''; you gotta believe in this too.

So what is socjus's plan to breach the con-lib pay divide?
I'm just going to leave this here: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/133406477506/global-gender-war .
Oh sweet i didnt know there was a gamergate thread here, good to know the discussion is going all over the place.

So is Ryan like a troll or sometihng?