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ryannaughton1138: Shadowstalker16
That's funny. I'm pretty sure a number of Anita's harassers have used the Gamergate hastag.

LeonardoCornejo
That doesn't magically disprove the wage gap. It's more complex than that.
I have never seen a "harasser" of Sarkeesian using the hashtag. And her harassment is not realy undeserved or abnormal. It is not because she is a womyn, it is because she is a pundit, a public figure, she is spreading lies, she wants to censor others, and she is basically a disgusting person. I am not condoning the harassment, but I am stating she is not experiencing anything different to what Jack Thompson went through. Actually Thompson got more credible threats to his physical safety and he never used them to his benefit. At least Thompson had a sense of honor. That is as I have pointed a difference between conservatives and "progressive" "liberals" (Note the quotations) cons have a bit of honor and values because that is what they stand for.

About the wage gap myth, if logic does not magically disprove it then it is not complex, it is absurd and fake. Trust me, all corporations care about is production and profit, they don't care about men or womyn (I will keep mocking that term). They only want to make shekels. If they pay women less is because they don't work over time as often as men, they tend to quit jobs more often and stay for less time due to family, and actually many corporations are actually reluctant to hire women because of the multiple ways in which they exploit the law. Womyn present harassment complains,specially fake ones more often than men, and in general womyn, specially those who studied gender studies and similar parasitic majors become a walking lawsuit and therefore a liability.
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ryannaughton1138: RWarehall
Again you misunderstand what patriarchy is. Like I said, women's rights have done a lot to make things better for women in terms of new laws, but we haven't unlearned some things from days when women didn't have those rights. We have the wage gap to contend with, and reproductive rights are still under attack.
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hedwards: There is no wage gap in the US. The difference between what men and women make for doing the same job is within the margin for error. Last figure I saw had a difference of about 3%, which is easily accounted for with choices that people make. At work, my benefits package makes up almost as much money per hour as my actual salary does. So, 3% is pretty measly.

That Patriarchy is just a bogeyman that feminists use because their arguments have little to no merit.

As far as reproductive rights go, women should shut the hell up. At least they have reproductive rights to be attacked. Men do not have any reproductive rights.
Again, the wage gap isn't a myth: http://blog.dol.gov/2012/06/07/myth-busting-the-pay-gap/

Rusty_Gunn
That wasn't corruption, that was incompetence. And journalistic incompetence is far more terrifying than journalistic corruption.
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ryannaughton1138: Again, the wage gap isn't a myth: http://blog.dol.gov/2012/06/07/myth-busting-the-pay-gap/

Rusty_Gunn
That wasn't corruption, that was incompetence. And journalistic incompetence is far more terrifying than journalistic corruption.
I beg to differ http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-wage-gap-myth-that-wont-die-1443654408

Corruption or Incompetence, it still isn't ethical IMHO these aren't just stories these are people's lives.
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ryannaughton1138: Again, the wage gap isn't a myth: http://blog.dol.gov/2012/06/07/myth-busting-the-pay-gap/

Rusty_Gunn
That wasn't corruption, that was incompetence. And journalistic incompetence is far more terrifying than journalistic corruption.
So you are trusting a "talking head" who is stupid enough to use raw income statistics and claim the wage gap is real? You need to get real...

Way over your head, requires a real education to understand, but here's the best study on the issue available...
http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf
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ryannaughton1138: Again, the wage gap isn't a myth: http://blog.dol.gov/2012/06/07/myth-busting-the-pay-gap/

Rusty_Gunn
That wasn't corruption, that was incompetence. And journalistic incompetence is far more terrifying than journalistic corruption.
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Rusty_Gunn: I beg to differ http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-wage-gap-myth-that-wont-die-1443654408

Corruption or Incompetence, it still isn't ethical IMHO these aren't just stories these are people's lives.
To fully read the article in the link require me to sign up to the website. Is there any alternative?
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Rusty_Gunn
Incompetence isn't a breach of ethics. It's a lot more common than you think. Also I prefer to get my info on the wage gap from actual experts, thank you very much.
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ryannaughton1138: Rusty_Gunn
Incompetence isn't a breach of ethics. It's a lot more common than you think. Also I prefer to get my info on the wage gap from actual experts, thank you very much.
If that's what you call an expert...
Read what was written and look how its full of excuses...a total b.s. article you link.
One politician's opinion not backed by a real fact or citation.

But you'd be better served by looking at the responses at the bottom of the page, far more informative.

In typical SJW fashion, the people you respect as "experts" always seem to be people who 100% agree with you...imagine that...
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ryannaughton1138: Rusty_GunnAlso I prefer to get my info on the wage gap from actual experts, thank you very much.
as do I, but how do we even solve a "problem" if we (or the experts) can't agree it even exists first
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ryannaughton1138: Rusty_Gunn
Incompetence isn't a breach of ethics. It's a lot more common than you think. Also I prefer to get my info on the wage gap from actual experts, thank you very much.
Doing the same job and producing roughly the same result as your male counterparts, did you get pay less?
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ryannaughton1138: Shadowstalker16
That's funny. I'm pretty sure a number of Anita's harassers have used the Gamergate hastag.
Then I'm not a part of GG because I didn't use the hashtag! And other SJIdiots who used it are? Either way you are a hypocrite asking people to look into everything more finely without any logical argument while painting anyone who tweets a hastag as a gamergater. So when exactly did you leave GG? Either way; good luck on trying to convince people of the gender wage gap without any proof. Just because you blindly believe doesn't mean everyone else does. And don't forget the political bias in the journalism industry. Conservative journalists don't make 50% of the total income of all online journalists. So that is a pay gap you might wanna address.
Macintosh, a guy that dares to say that Charlie Hebdo was offending marginalized people, (Is sad to see that SJW are pretty more close to ISLAM being offended by images of women in games, like others do with Mohammed images, VERY interesting that they have similar fears, sexuality one of them... sic... extremes always touch each other) Macinsoth and Sarkesian are so worried about DOOM violence and misogyny in games, they pursue it wildly, including a varied group of people named Gamergate, but hey! later talking about PATRIARCHAL religions (That of course have good and bad people inside, no doubts) they do not doubt to defend them wildly, in the same way they blame completely other groups (Gamergate) generalizing them as rapers or worse, including not only GG supporters but ANYONE that would DARE to defend them. GAMES seem to be for them the seeds of evil, even if FACTS talk pretty clear here, as "Holy" books, caused and still cause more killings, racism, inequality and misogyny than any videogame EVER.

STUPIDITY HAS NO LIMITS, and money of course, because selling FeministFrequency T-Shirts is what it counts at the end of the day. And blaming Patriachal religions for violence and misogyny is something they have no balls to ignite and battle easily, better make easy money with GAMES, that offend your puritan fanatics partners.
Post edited November 18, 2015 by YaTEdiGo
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ryannaughton1138: That's funny. I'm pretty sure a number of Anita's harassers have used the Gamergate hastag.
Shows how little you know. If you were actually following this you'd know....
Someone did a study after Anita baited with her "toxic masculinity causes school shootings" Tweets.
She then recorded a week worth of responses (as if they were like this every week - what a deceptive lying $%#%#).
If I recall correctly, only three responses had the hashtag and all of them were merely critical of her.

Just like the others, if anyone is abusive they are "assumed" to be Gamergaters. But why let facts get in the way of a good story, right? Keep trolling some more...
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hedwards: There is no wage gap in the US. The difference between what men and women make for doing the same job is within the margin for error. Last figure I saw had a difference of about 3%, which is easily accounted for with choices that people make. At work, my benefits package makes up almost as much money per hour as my actual salary does. So, 3% is pretty measly.

That Patriarchy is just a bogeyman that feminists use because their arguments have little to no merit.

As far as reproductive rights go, women should shut the hell up. At least they have reproductive rights to be attacked. Men do not have any reproductive rights.
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ryannaughton1138: Again, the wage gap isn't a myth: http://blog.dol.gov/2012/06/07/myth-busting-the-pay-gap/

Rusty_Gunn
That wasn't corruption, that was incompetence. And journalistic incompetence is far more terrifying than journalistic corruption.
Of course it's a myth. There's huge swaths of the economy where everybody makes the same amount of money and there's no salary negotiation involved. Everywhere I've personally worked everybody got paid based upon their credentials without any actual negotiation involved.

That is more or less the norm these days.

The only way you can come up with a wage gap is if you compare the total per capita income of men versus women without any consideration for the value of the work being done or the pay. Then you wind up with something that probably does leave women behind. But, that's only because you're including outliers. I doubt most men expect to be making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.
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ryannaughton1138: Again, the wage gap isn't a myth: http://blog.dol.gov/2012/06/07/myth-busting-the-pay-gap/

Rusty_Gunn
That wasn't corruption, that was incompetence. And journalistic incompetence is far more terrifying than journalistic corruption.
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hedwards: Of course it's a myth. There's huge swaths of the economy where everybody makes the same amount of money and there's no salary negotiation involved. Everywhere I've personally worked everybody got paid based upon their credentials without any actual negotiation involved.

That is more or less the norm these days.

The only way you can come up with a wage gap is if you compare the total per capita income of men versus women without any consideration for the value of the work being done or the pay. Then you wind up with something that probably does leave women behind. But, that's only because you're including outliers. I doubt most men expect to be making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.
Plus there's this as well http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/statutes/epa.cfm
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hedwards: Of course it's a myth. There's huge swaths of the economy where everybody makes the same amount of money and there's no salary negotiation involved. Everywhere I've personally worked everybody got paid based upon their credentials without any actual negotiation involved.

That is more or less the norm these days.

The only way you can come up with a wage gap is if you compare the total per capita income of men versus women without any consideration for the value of the work being done or the pay. Then you wind up with something that probably does leave women behind. But, that's only because you're including outliers. I doubt most men expect to be making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.
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Rusty_Gunn: Plus there's this as well http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/statutes/epa.cfm
Indeed. The only situations I can think of where women might not make as much as men would be in cases where there's negotiation for salary or when there's a commission/bonus involved. But, even there, they did eventually pass the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 which helps things out.

Ultimately, the only thing that's going to settle the matter is if people start actually talking about how much they're making and what their benefits are. I think that in most cases it's not going to be particularly surprising, but it would help a lot with workers' rights.