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RWarehall: It is funny as when I did a Google search to see if Tale of Tales offered any more clarification or if Anita has bothered the comment, I ran across posts from our resident troll on the Idle Thumbs forums. Its quite strange the claims of conspiracy theories when I saw posts there Vain was making trying to "prove" Total Biscuit is one of the Gamergate originators. For someone who claims neutrality, its strange that the Anti-GG crowd seem so adamant to paint John Bain as a GG ringleader.
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MaGo72: One thing I noticed on that page is, that every twitter citation is sourced by an archive link further down the page, only the $40000 tweet is only the jpeg.

To be honest, as always with that one sentence Twitter shit, it is not quite clear if Tale of Tales is just making fun of gamers and making a joke or if they are serious.
They kind of threatened with legal action. And I saw an archive link of it somewhere, I think it was on KYM. I would not be surprised if Tale of Tales actually made the mistake of asking for help from that kind of people.
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There are two separate Tweets on the topic, and it did seem they were serious to me. The first came in response to someone asking why Anita didn't support them when they said their games was for people like her. The response which they even linked to the femfreq hashtag said
"We didn't just tell her. We bribed her. How do you think we got in debt? She's tough man."
The second, which they Tweeted to Leigh Alexander's Hashtag said,
"It's okay if you send us a credit note for that $40,000 that Anita never paid back."

It sure doesn't look like a joke to me, especially since Leigh Alexander's firm was hired to promote their game.
Now, this is just me speculating, but it appears Leigh Alexander suggested they donate money to FemFreq and she'd be sure her friend Anita would vouch for their game. In essence, its Leigh Alexander suggesting the bribe to "get mentioned". Interesting way to do business as someone who was a games magazine editor, huh? Wonder how many bribes like that Leigh accepted in her day to cover certain games...
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hedwards: I don't think this is an issue. Most children know what they want without the language and I doubt this is going to change that much. It might somewhat reduce bullying, but overall I don't see it really changing much one way or the other.

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hedwards: The lack of standardization over left and right makes this rather confusing. I'm not sure how anti-Nazi leftists are also opposed to gay rights.
Yes, I think its something - and not just the Target decision, but the whole move towards gender neutrality and so on - that the effects of which we shall only be able to gauge mid to long term. Personally, I have my doubts about confusing children's gender identity to appease a very small but vocal minority. However I (and many like minded people) could be wrong. It really is something (and I'm being very general here) that we'll have to wait another decade or so to even begin to comprehend the effects. Its a sort of big, giant social experiment on our children really.
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Klumpen0815: This is actually good news, although most people ignored this anyway, there were always girls who like to play with small cars and boys who like to play with dolls and there's nothing wrong with that. At least now another reason to feel awkward about it is gone. I haven't seen such gender based areas for kids toys over here for a long time anyway though.

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Klumpen0815: Afaik, some party did it only to stir up emotion in an attempt to use the LGBT movement to annoy muslims.
Hmm, if they use a gay-rights-march this way, it sounds to me, like they are anti-Islam and not really racists, since Islam is really (!) strongly opposed to homosexuality and by the way imho a far right religion.
This makes them rather leftist, but I'm still confused with how all those labels are used against each other since it's all really contradictory anyway.
It's very contradictory. The level of mental gymnastics they're going thru must be excruciating. I'm reminded of a "discussion" I read somewhere on twitter a while ago, I think, between some SJWs arguing vociferously about which victimhood status is higher in the pecking order - does racism trump sexism or does sexism against xyz women trump racism against race abc etc. They weren't kidding around, it got quite ugly. However, I do not want to dis any individual who might be experiencing emotional pain or stress but, there is something mildly humorous about the chaotic one-up-man-ship and cognitive dissonance of the authoritarian hipster, exemplified very nicely by this incident in Sweden.

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hedwards: I don't think this is an issue. Most children know what they want without the language and I doubt this is going to change that much. It might somewhat reduce bullying, but overall I don't see it really changing much one way or the other.

The lack of standardization over left and right makes this rather confusing. I'm not sure how anti-Nazi leftists are also opposed to gay rights.
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LeonardoCornejo: Look, the authoritarian far left is full of contradictions. They criticize Bush over the war in Iraq (Not that doing so is wrong), while they praise Obama regardless of any unethical action or war attempt (He declared an aliance with the Syrian rebels latelly). It is not about doing what is right, but about gaining power and privileges (Ironic isn't it?) for their own faction, even if that means throwing alied factions under the bus.
As problematic as it is, it's not so much the indoctrinated guilt they push. In these examples the greater concern is exposing evidence that points to the total disregard for those who can not give consent. Please realize the ongoing propaganda that has been released to perpetuate and generate the perception that people want this. There is a methodology to it and while this is not the most startling example, it does beg the question what next? You see where this is going? And beyond?
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YaTEdiGo: Nice try to mix stupid conspiracies with real facts, but no, "non profit organization" LOL ... Sarkesian is far beyond more smart than the poor Quinn, that actually was really harrashed in a shameful way, but Anita? because from popularity and that crowfounding earns nothing... oh yes... sure.... try harder...
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Vainamoinen: I respect your position on Quinn and Eron Gjoni, and if by stupid conspiracy theories you mean the Tales of Tales bit, I'll respect that as well. As you can see, this theory is still very well in dispute here!

The shameful harrassment of Anita Sarkeesian I have witnessed in person when it occurred. Conning money out of people would require conned people; and last time I checked, the TvW Kickstarter backers are overwhelmingly supportive of Sarkeesian's continued efforts. Of course, I've seen quite a few non backers painstakingly trying to explain why backers SHOULD feel conned, on youtube and at least one petition online, but... that's not how things work, gamergate.

There's no con without the conned.

Don't worry, the apex is certainly reached for Sarkeesian. Another monetary influx of the Intel nature will not occur. Tropes vs. Women is now running on its reserves, with no even remotely relevant donation money still coming in (evident from e.g. annual report - the Intel spike is, let's say, very dominant). You do think Sarkeesian's smart, so you know that she could and should right now wrap it all up and kill it all off by year's end. That would be the most profitable option. Planning two additional series for the immediate future and years to come? Not a smart business decision, we both know that. Also a personal nightmare as harrassment continues.

Yet an ethical decision if she believes what she preaches.
I meet her at E3 and she looked pretty happy, and doing a big promotion of herself, so don´t tell me stories about victimism and damsels in distress, because she is not, pretty ironic that she pretend to be one. She is contradictory, a flamer, a con artist, and she is deceiving both you SJW and GamerGaters at the same time.

And in my humble opinion and with the "honour" of meeting her twice, she is far to be a good person, I repeat, in my opinion.

Quinn have all my respect as a woman, she was harrashed for not real motives, if her game is bad, is bad, period, she can fuck Obama if she wants to promote her game or just to enjoy it, or both, and I will still defend her private life. Leigh Alexander is even worse than Sarkesian, she is a bully, and a harrasher by her own. Brianna Wu is other crow trying to get profit of pretending to be a damsel in distress (so ironic) because she made an AWFUL game.

More important people like the gay or transgender that was involved in Dolphin project and sucides for being harrashed and emotionally turn down, is almost non commented, instead, Gamergates and you SWJ get deceived by people as Sarkesian and her boyfriend, just flaming TWITTER with the wave of change oOooWOowowwww... I wonder if the brave Sarkesian would be able to pronounce herself about ISIS or the situation of women in the Middle East.

I bet she would never have the vagina to do so. I even think she would be even a defender or PATRIARCHAL religions like christianism and islam, and yet, acuse Pop Culture of being patriarchal. SJW logic... sic...

The reasons? With Pop Culture you got polemic and at the end of the day, mostly non agressive people pissed off, perfect for her bodeville, with religions maybe she could achieve real changes, as probably REAL THREATS.
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About a Few Months ago a Dolphin Developer Commited suicide over the trolling at 4chan. That is death by Gamer gate.
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dewy60: About a Few Months ago a Dolphin Developer Commited suicide over the trolling at 4chan. That is death by Gamer gate.
If this is the case i think you are talking about there was 0 evidence it was gamergate, but because it was a trans person it was immediately claimed by aGG that gg MUST have been responsible, like Wu blaming gamergate for a part of the ferguson riots.

Also, to believe 4chan is gamergate I must tell you you are very badly informed. GG left 4chan not that long after the start when 4chan started removing discussions of gg. So gg en mass migrated to twitter and 8chan

PS are you aware Quinn was involved in a forum that is likely responsible for the suicide of a furry girl? Does that make it death by aGG?
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dewy60: About a Few Months ago a Dolphin Developer Commited suicide over the trolling at 4chan. That is death by Gamer gate.
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dragonbeast: If this is the case i think you are talking about there was 0 evidence it was gamergate, but because it was a trans person it was immediately claimed by aGG that gg MUST have been responsible, like Wu blaming gamergate for a part of the ferguson riots.

Also, to believe 4chan is gamergate I must tell you you are very badly informed. GG left 4chan not that long after the start when 4chan started removing discussions of gg. So gg en mass migrated to twitter and 8chan

PS are you aware Quinn was involved in a forum that is likely responsible for the suicide of a furry girl? Does that make it death by aGG?
He says a few months. GG hasn't been active on 4chan since Spetmeber - October 2014 at most. I'd say its one of the alts being used to downrep after being exposed as a scammer trying to troll. Not very intelligent but you gotta appreciate the logic that was exercised here. Commendations to him.

Also, notice how we started with many harassment topics but only the contested ones are being argued right now while the allegedly ''anti-harassment'' side has completely abandoned the proofs of actual harassment.
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In that manner, what if gamergate would hack a gaming site so they use it to harass every single game creator in the world? that could be horrifying.
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dewy60: In that manner, what if gamergate would hack a gaming site so they use it to harass every single game creator in the world? that could be horrifying.
Totally. It'd be terrible if a bunch of people hijacked gaming sites to cram their politics down everyone's throat and use their platform to harass game developers for no reason.

Oh, right.
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dewy60: In that manner, what if gamergate would hack a gaming site so they use it to harass every single game creator in the world? that could be horrifying.
What if anti-gamergate would do that? Wouldn't that be horrifying?

What if anti-gamergate would use the press to smear people because of different opinions?
Oh nevermind they already do that.

What if anti gamergate would send knives and syringes to gamergate supporters as a threat and call in a bomb threat to disrupt their meeting?
Oh wait those happened already as well.
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What if the sky fell on us all?
I also think its rather silly this social justice concept that if some idiot commits suicide that someone else is somehow responsible for it. The person to blame is the one who killed themselves. It's not like suicides among young people have ever been insignificant in numbers, but the fact some people want to use these deaths to "promote" their own cause to me is just sick.

This whole concept that transgendered individuals are more prone to committing suicide because they are bullied is speculative hogwash. Ever consider the possibility its the result of hormonal changes? That the very drugs used to change their sex might disturb the mind with the body. It's well-known that pregnancy can cause such changes and anti-depression drugs as well. But nope, can't be, has to be bullies. Only answer. Because the "politically correct police" says so.
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RWarehall: I also think its rather silly this social justice concept that if some idiot commits suicide that someone else is somehow responsible for it. The person to blame is the one who killed themselves. It's not like suicides among young people have ever been insignificant in numbers, but the fact some people want to use these deaths to "promote" their own cause to me is just sick.

This whole concept that transgendered individuals are more prone to committing suicide because they are bullied is speculative hogwash. Ever consider the possibility its the result of hormonal changes? That the very drugs used to change their sex might disturb the mind with the body. It's well-known that pregnancy can cause such changes and anti-depression drugs as well. But nope, can't be, has to be bullies. Only answer. Because the "politically correct police" says so.
They're not speculative hogwash, there's a very good neuro-physiological explanation for that. Subject somebody to enough bullying and general abuse without psychological treatment and eventually something gives. I'd recommend looking up "gas lamping" if you want to see how that works.

And no, it's not the hormonal changes, hormones adapt rather quickly and the body gets used to them eventually. And if it were that simple, don't you think that doctors would be able to solve the problem, but prolonging the ramp up period or dropping back a bit if things got too intense? The problem with suicide is neurological in nature.

That being said, it's difficult to ever establish causality here. The people who complete a suicide attempt are not available to ask after the fact, so we don't ever find out what the problem is if they didn't leave a note.
Let's put it this way. The example given above is someone who went on a forum and talked about being suicidal. Yes, people made arguably ill-advised comments, but she was suicidal well before that. So its their fault? C'mon. Yet, look at the articles written...
Trolls killed her. She didn't kill herself. This is why Social Justice Journalists are full of shit.