dragonbeast: (actually, remember how they said they feared gg would be on mars? First signups have started. Come to area 53 Nevada for a first impression.)

LeonardoCornejo: I will explain it to you. there are two forms of refer to the sterotypical gamer. First, the gamer that plays mainstream games and is not interested in artsy hipster tytles, using this as the stereotypical gamer, then that means the stereotypical gamer is still the norm. Second, if the stereotypical gamer is described as a socially inept basement dweller, then it does not exist. that is what I am trying to say. The mainstream gamer is the same it was twenty years ago, interested in DOOM and Halo more than in Gone Home and Depression Quest. And that is not going to change just because a bunch of journo bullies say so.

walpurgis8199: Anyway I'll keep this short. If that was really what she meant, which I don't believe for a second, why was the narrative when all this drama started that it was just white males trying to drive women out of the industry? The aritcle matches the narrative, angry white males .... privilige.... misogyny... patriarchy etc.....

htown1980: OK, so you think that:

1. The gamer that plays mainstream games and is not interested in artsy hipster titles is neither dead or on its way out? I don't think anyway would suggest otherwise. That's so obvious it goes without saying, isn't it?

2. The "socially inept basement dweller" never existed? I can assure you you are completely wrong there. Most of my friends and I in the 80s fitted that stereotype exactly.

htown1980: I think that narrative fits in quite well with my reading of the article.

Brasas: Hi Fever,

First, I want to say if something I said went too close to the bone, it was largely unintended. The first part of what I posted referred to the dialogue Rwarehall and you were having, but the second half was generalizations. This is not to say I am sorry, in fact if you see yourself in what I described, then I am rather pleased than unhappy. Please note the conditional statement ok?

The reason I assume I might have touched a nerve is because, as I also detailed further via PM, I see hardly any relation between your reply and my post. You actually open up some interesting tangents, which I'd be glad to discuss further, but probably not in this thread.

So, to not leave your reply without answer, and now that I have cooled my temper somewhat and the storm of replies to you subsided, here's what I find objectionable in your post:
1 - you imply not advocating thread lock is enough tolerance. Constantly even, so maybe occasional attempts are fine? :) What a low barrier that is mate...
2 - you strawmen positions on entitlement and segregation and imply selfish motives motives to me pretty much out of thin air
3 - you hyperbolically state we or I are: trying to take over the whole forum, wanting you (singular and plural) out of the thread, and fans of Reaxxion... this last one is a shooting offense to me in particular, as I'd never post anything so short as a reaxxion article :P

htown1980: OK, so you think that:

1. The gamer that plays mainstream games and is not interested in artsy hipster titles is neither dead or on its way out? I don't think anyway would suggest otherwise. That's so obvious it goes without saying, isn't it?

2. The "socially inept basement dweller" never existed? I can assure you you are completely wrong there. Most of my friends and I in the 80s fitted that stereotype exactly.

htown1980: I think that narrative fits in quite well with my reading of the article.

Fever_Discordia: Yeah, I was going to say - did any of the 'Gamers are Dead' articles ACTUALLY mention game genres or platforms? Or is this assertion that its 'artsy' and / or 'causal' games vs. 'hardcore' games the first erroneous assumption in the formation of a bunch of conspiracy theories?

227: From Leigh's (the most widely-referenced of the Gamers Are Dead articles):

"By the turn of the millennium those were games’ only main cultural signposts: Have money. Have women. Get a gun and then a bigger gun. Be an outcast. Celebrate that. Defeat anyone who threatens you."

I'm not really following the conversation you all are having and currently lack the sleep to catch up, but just wanted to point out that it definitely sounds like certain types of games and genres are being heavily implied. Another of the G.A.D. articles explicitly mentions Call of Duty. I'm pretty sure it's the first one that set off all the others, in fact. Here's a link to the terrible thing if you're interested: click

Fever_Discordia: ... On the other hand chill because what Ms. Alexander is suggesting is just flat-out not going to happen is it?

I mean I can understand that she was upset at the time about the heat that certain female figures were receiving and it's nice that gaming genres are diversifying, being more experimental and breaking new ground but, at the end of the day the big AAA game line-up of any given year is going to contain just as many guns, bullets, cars, explosions, swords, wizards and muscles as the summer blockbuster line-up

Just because the local steakhouse introduces a vegetarian option doesn't mean they're about to stop selling steak, as long as you are there wanting to buy steak in sufficient numbers there will always be someone there to sell it to you - that's just market forces

It's enjoying your steak while knowing that there's a chap with a beard and an flesh tunnel eating a nut cutlet at the next table that you're going to have to deal with, so get over yourselves and stop worrying about the sky falling because it ain't!

Fever_Discordia: ... On the other hand chill because what Ms. Alexander is suggesting is just flat-out not going to happen is it? [...] at the end of the day the big AAA game line-up of any given year is going to contain just as many guns, bullets, cars, explosions, swords, wizards and muscles as the summer blockbuster line-up

227: What makes you think I was anything remotely not-chill when I posted that? In fact, I challenge you to find a single post anywhere in this forum where I've said anything along the lines of "they're coming for our violent gamez!" Were you trying to quote someone else, maybe?

And while I'm barraging you with questions, did you even read the article I linked? Surely if you had you'd have realized that it characterizes gamers using CoD (then uses Candy Crush and some obscure indie to show that games aren't all CoD and somehow prove that gamers are inflexible, because logic means starting at the conclusion and working your way backward to rationalize it), puts pretty much anyone whose gaming tastes don't align with his into that group, then claims that they're now "irrelevant" and that games aren't "for them" anymore.

I checked; that's the first article from which the others sprung into being hours later. It's absurd to claim that the rest were somehow empowering and designed to smash the commonly-held perception of gamers given that context. I forget if you or htown were arguing that, but there you go.

Fever_Discordia: But there's eating steak and then there's eating steak at hooters isn't there?
I mean I can't believe that Alexander wrote that article without thinking about what kinds of movies and TV shows are popular and thinking that the gaming landscape would be any different
But I can't see, say, an off-colour rhyme about suicide and transvestites making it into an ep. of Supernatural, American Horror Story or the inevitable next Transformers movie, although I don't think it would have gotten anywhere near that particular game either if it weren't for the peculiarities of Kickstarter and funding tiers - dangers of our brave new world on all sides!

Shadowstalker16: I don't know. I don't even know what hooters is :P
What similarity between TV and movies and games. They serve entirely different audiences. What is good in a movie may not be good in a game and vice versa.

EDIT : I wonder the being online of which individual coincides with dragonbeast and me losing 2 REP and RW going down 6 in just a few minutes.............

Fever_Discordia: It's freaky that I've held stead at 1000 rep for so long considering the things I've been posting - maybe the forums don't let you lose stars? Like maybe I've hit a plateau?

Fever_Discordia: To me, he is saying that the 'gamer identity' (whatever THAT is) is to tight and restrictive a definition to encompass all that gaming is, not gamers themselves being inflexible