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Zabohad: Back to the topic.
My point was that I don't even bother to refute every and each antiGG's argument, because it is not worth it. The "factual" accusations about sexism, racism, violence and so on in games (including last news from E3) boils down to "It is wrong in the gameworld because it would be unacceptable for us in the real world". This premise is in my opinion faulty on at least three levels:
1. allowing only the expressions that appease them is direct threat for freedom of speech - something too dear to me to be given up easily
2. it seems they are not aware of the difference between fiction and reality - how could I discuss seriously with them?
3. if they really can not bear the fact that the things they don't like exist in the real world, they probably need to learn how to cope with reality; seriously. World was not tailored to be comfortable place; sometimes is even horribly cruel and unfair, but THIS fact cannot be changed; we must live with it.

If the basic premise is "off" it's irrelevant how accurate are the folowing arguments. If for example Deus Ex developer team was actually completely white, would it make the complaint about "mechanical apartheid" less ridiculous? Discussing those claims for factual accuracy is playing by their rules; it seems like we silently accept that "white people would definitely mistreat non-whites, every time" as proven truth.

Bonus points for AMD people for showing wit, something that is seriously missing in the whole affair.
Yes, the bases of most of these accusations are baseless in itself. There are many more like them. Like; who said that having a female / male character model help immerse the player better? There is no proof and proof to the contrary. Tomb Raider 2013 had a female only lead, and by the application of this theory, males should've been less immersed and females must have been more immersed. But it there wasn't a single instance of male gamers lacking in immersion because of playing as a female character; and most reviewers gave it a good score / opinion including Angry Joe; who said that it was very immersive in his video. Same with LGBTQ inclusion and people who enjoyed Gone Home.
Another is the assumption is that sexy=un-respectable; objectification=bad. Most languages work in a way where the the object being acted upon is well; an object. ''Objectification'' itself has no real meaning outside of radical gender politics and is basically just using grammar to prove 2+3=7. The INTOLERANT principle that a woman can't be sexy AND interesting, strong etc is a hardline conservative idea which looks down on women and what they're capable of.
Same with MacIntosh saying introverted / detached / cold is a bad thing. If his looneyspeech is taken to task, every VG character will be Spongebob.
Even the very basic ideas and thought processes these idiots use to form their theories are intolerant and more exclusive than what they're claiming gaming is or ''was''.

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dragonbeast: journalism.txt
Getting closer to authoritarian censorship by the day. Next they'll be banning ''hateful speech''; which is everything proGG of course.
And take it further..,.
Basically any time something "bad" happens, they automatically claim it came from Gamergaters or are the result of "toxically mascaline" culture.

For example, Anita Tweets about school shooters. She receives angry responses. The vast majority were not linked to the Gamergate hashtag, but they "had to be Gamergaters"

The Hugo awards had a group adopting a platform due to the recent "trend" that these book awards were going to "diverse" authors (women, LGBTQ, and an occasional minority). That group had success, so it was "clearly" Gamergaters getting involved because they hate women.

Even go back to Zoe Quinn's original Greenlight. The Steam community panned her game. She starts arguing with them on the boards. She then gets called bad names for a woman. Pulls her game off Greenlight. Unlike the Darkbase 01 developer who had his rage quit, she gets the support of all these journalists for the "nasty" things all these "pre-Gamergaters" were saying about her and her game.

Do I even have to mention Anita Sarkeesian and her Kickstarter and how she was attacked by Gamergate so many months before there was a Gamergate?

Every time something bad happens (even in the past), these people claim it because of Gamergate. Every Tweet, every threat, every bad word, but they never look at the inciteful words they are using...

As to the Gamers Are Dead articles, its pretty simple really...they all basically said the same thing...
Developers, stop making games for these foul-mouthed hyper-consumers. They don't have to be your audience. So quit making Call of Duty, Doom, Elder Scrolls, Warcraft, etc. All this followed by overblown statistics which include phone-game players. They are of course attacking anyone who likes mainstream AAA games because they want those games to quit being made. They want games to appeal to the Facebook Flash crowds and the phone game crowds, but in their own article they explain the real problem...

When Leigh Alexander used the words "hyper-consumer", she pegged it. The "real" Gamers are the ones spending all the money on games, not those playing all the free ones, So why again should developers "change their games" to appeal to those who primarily play free games again?
Post edited June 21, 2015 by RWarehall
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walpurgis8199: Femfreq complained about voilence agaisnt demons in DOOM
You are joking, right?
Post edited June 21, 2015 by monkeydelarge
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walpurgis8199: Femfreq complained about voilence agaisnt demons in DOOM
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monkeydelarge: You are joking, right?
http://thegg.net/general-news/jonathan-mcintosh-and-anita-sarkeesian-criticize-doom-for-being-too-violent/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/06/15/feminist-gaming-critics-mocked-for-moral-panic-over-e3-game-trailers/
http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/16/why-the-left-hates-video-games/

And for balance, here's a mainstream media social justice lackey, doing his best to attack the game...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/doom-4-outrage-grotesquely-violent-5884652

Love how the MSM thinks its appropriate to use words like "sickening" and "disgusting" as if these were factual things...
Guess since this is a mainstream source, Wikipedia can claim Doom is sickening and disgusting as fact!
Post edited June 21, 2015 by RWarehall
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monkeydelarge: You are joking, right?
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RWarehall: http://thegg.net/general-news/jonathan-mcintosh-and-anita-sarkeesian-criticize-doom-for-being-too-violent/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/06/15/feminist-gaming-critics-mocked-for-moral-panic-over-e3-game-trailers/
http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/16/why-the-left-hates-video-games/

And for balance, here's a mainstream media social justice lackey, doing his best to attack the game...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/doom-4-outrage-grotesquely-violent-5884652

Love how the MSM thinks its appropriate to use words like "sickening" and "disgusting" as if these were factual things...
Guess since this is a mainstream source, Wikipedia can claim Doom is sickening and disgusting as fact!
Ice cream tastes like shit!!! = FACT!!! :P Why? Because I said so! Everyone who disagrees with me is obviously a racist and a misogynist.
Post edited June 21, 2015 by monkeydelarge
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monkeydelarge: Ice cream tastes like shit!!! = FACT!!! :P Why? Because I said so! Everyone who disagrees with me is obviously a racist and a misogynist.
And I was seriously about to go out and get some ice cream. Not sure I want it now...
Oh just kidding...ice cream here I come!
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monkeydelarge: Ice cream tastes like shit!!! = FACT!!! :P Why? Because I said so! Everyone who disagrees with me is obviously a racist and a misogynist.
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RWarehall: And I was seriously about to go out and get some ice cream. Not sure I want it now...
Oh just kidding...ice cream here I come!
Then you are supporting the patriarchy's oppression on women! And I have two more FACTS for you. Coke is disgusting. Pepsi is better.
Post edited June 21, 2015 by monkeydelarge
MSM is in the death rows. People use apps on their phones to keep track of news, which is mostly direct feed from websites. Soon, news anchors and talk show hosts will have to defend for themselves; like real people had to when they were attacked by the dumbfuck MSM. I seriously hope they'll see that there is only truth in world, and all they were doing was twisting and running ads over it; and what they believed was a delusion cooked up to generate $$$$$$ from outrage and groupthink mobs.
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RWarehall: And I was seriously about to go out and get some ice cream. Not sure I want it now...
Oh just kidding...ice cream here I come!
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monkeydelarge: Then you are supporting the patriarchy's oppression on women! And I have two more FACTS for you. Coke is disgusting. Pepsi is better.
research has shown however that coke is a lot more popular as beverage to accompany meals because pepsi is to sweet to really fit with a general meal.

PAtriarchy facts
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monkeydelarge: Then you are supporting the patriarchy's oppression on women! And I have two more FACTS for you. Coke is disgusting. Pepsi is better.
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dragonbeast: research has shown however that coke is a lot more popular as beverage to accompany meals because pepsi is to sweet to really fit with a general meal.

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I always prefer Pepsi though. It'll only be a fact if you post a Sarkeesiopinion; duh.
MSM are hardly primary journalists any more. They are more and more using freelancers with agendas and pulling sensationalized articles off the wire to be re-worded. Because if someone else publishes it, they don't have to fact-check it...they can blame the original authors for errors.
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RWarehall: MSM are hardly primary journalists any more. They are more and more using freelancers with agendas and pulling sensationalized articles off the wire to be re-worded. Because if someone else publishes it, they don't have to fact-check it...they can blame the original authors for errors.
And the freelancers are united by the lord and savior social justice mobthink constitution.
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monkeydelarge: Then you are supporting the patriarchy's oppression on women! And I have two more FACTS for you. Coke is disgusting. Pepsi is better.
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dragonbeast: research has shown however that coke is a lot more popular as beverage to accompany meals because pepsi is to sweet to really fit with a general meal.

PAtriarchy facts
Somehow I still hate both. I prefer the generic brands in my country. But root beer is much better.
So I just watched my DVR'ed John Oliver. The topic was internet harassment, aaaand guess who showed up? Wu and Sarkeesian, of course!

The episode had a lot of good points about revenge porn and the laws and stuff, and yet I found it hard to believe a lot of the things said after using Wu to demonstrate harassment against women because of the multiple occasions she was caught involved in said harassment. To be honest, I've dreaded the day the topic came up on the show—one of my absolute favorite shows—because it would show just how committed to independent research it actually is. Hearing it blindly spout the same tired "facts" from the usual suspects was painful, like watching a friend lie to you about something when you know they're lying.

That's it; I'm resigning from humanity. If you need me, I'll be in the woods learning how to speak fluent bear.
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227: So I just watched my DVR'ed John Oliver. The topic was internet harassment, aaaand guess who showed up? Wu and Sarkeesian, of course!

The episode had a lot of good points about revenge porn and the laws and stuff, and yet I found it hard to believe a lot of the things said after using Wu to demonstrate harassment against women because of the multiple occasions she was caught involved in said harassment. To be honest, I've dreaded the day the topic came up on the show—one of my absolute favorite shows—because it would show just how committed to independent research it actually is. Hearing it blindly spout the same tired "facts" from the usual suspects was painful, like watching a friend lie to you about something when you know they're lying.

That's it; I'm resigning from humanity. If you need me, I'll be in the woods learning how to speak fluent bear.
(actually, remember how they said they feared gg would be on mars? First signups have started. Come to area 53 Nevada for a first impression.)