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dragonbeast: you mean those 14 articles from people on one mailing list? Yeah saying an entire culture is dead or should die and then be so surprised they don't like you anymore.
I'd like a complete list of those 14 articles, with links please.
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dragonbeast: you mean those 14 articles from people on one mailing list? Yeah saying an entire culture is dead or should die and then be so surprised they don't like you anymore.
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Vainamoinen: I'd like a complete list of those 14 articles, with links please.
http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2gsslk/is_there_a_list_of_all_the_gamers_are_dead/
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Vainamoinen: I'd like a complete list of those 14 articles, with links please.
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tremere110: http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2gsslk/is_there_a_list_of_all_the_gamers_are_dead/
Nope, sorry. 14 articles by people "on one mailing list".

I'm waiting.
Post edited March 11, 2015 by Vainamoinen
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dragonbeast: you mean those 14 articles from people on one mailing list? Yeah saying an entire culture is dead or should die and then be so surprised they don't like you anymore.
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Vainamoinen: I'd like a complete list of those 14 articles, with links please.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224400/Gamers_dont_have_to_be_your_audience_Gamers_are_over.phpµ
http://dangolding.tumblr.com/post/95985875943/the-end-of-gamers
https://archive.today/ZyLdw
http://archive.today/jVqJ8
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/columns/extra-punctuation/8031-Don-t-Use-the-Word-Gamer
http://archive.today/2t93l
http://archive.today/rkvO8
http://archive.today/9NxHy
https://archive.today/HkPHc
https://archive.today/UwiC2#
https://archive.is/L4n6p
https://archive.today/tIS6L
http://archive.today/l1kTW
https://archive.today/CTpxW

that should be most of em. might be some double dunno used a few sites
main source of links: http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2gsslk/is_there_a_list_of_all_the_gamers_are_dead/

(helped find out the ones linked and which were not)
might be missing a few. so you can nitpick on the number or the fact that remains, that journos all on the same day declared their audience DEAD. This day is seen as the spark that really ignited gamergate. Had these morons not declared gamers dead, gg would probably have died down looooooooong ago.

and then they go on to be perplexed gamers don't like them anymore.

especially leigh alexander, she fucked up the most and keeps on doing so. No wonder she recently got sacked.

summed up

http://imgur.com/7BFjPIM

and journo pro exposed
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/09/17/exposed-the-secret-mailing-list-of-the-gaming-journalism-elite/

edit: knew you were gonna nitpick (per usual). perhaps not every single one was on the list, i don't know. But the link has been firmly established.

obviously, you are not all 14 going "oh we should declare our readers' culture dead and thus commit commercial suicide" on the same day just like that without being linked
Post edited March 11, 2015 by dragonbeast
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dragonbeast: edit: knew you were gonna nitpick (per usual). perhaps not every single one was on the list.
As proof of collusion, I'd say that's pretty darn fucking crappy.

These people don't even come remotely to the same conclusions.
https://pixietalksgamergate.wordpress.com/gamers-are-dead-article-analysis/
Post edited March 11, 2015 by Vainamoinen
Found this to be a decent read: http://egmr.net/2015/03/life-universe-gaming-gamergate-feminism-ethics-harassment-working-together/
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dragonbeast: edit: knew you were gonna nitpick (per usual). perhaps not every single one was on the list.
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Vainamoinen: As proof of collusion, I'd say that's pretty darn fucking crappy.
"starts to type"
"realizes its not even worth the effort anymore"
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dragonbeast: "starts to type"
"realizes its not even worth the effort anymore"
Sorry, but you're embarrassing yourself. As proof of collusion in the video game press, you're alluding to fourteen articles by people on a certain mailing list. These fourteen articles do not exist. Almost none of the authors of the articles you link to are on that (in itself, in no way incriminating) list. Precious few of the articles you link to were even written by bona fide video game journalists. The opinions presented in the articles you linked to vary a great deal.

In short, your conspiracy theory is, top to bottom, bullshit.

Don't get me wrong, there's plenty collusion, but gamergate has been hilariously bad at pointing it out, because all gamergate is ever interested in is where they've been "insulted".
Post edited March 11, 2015 by Vainamoinen
Sorry to say this, but some of you guys (girls, transgenders, TVs, genderless, etc.) are just... creepy. Not every game is for everyone. Accept it. Play what you like, don't play what you don't like. If there's something in a game that you find really disturbing: go, rant about it. If there's some journo who writes stuff you find absolutely inadequate: go, rant about it. But don't stick any useless tags to your opinion, just to fight with another tagged person about the exact meaning and origin of your tag! #NotTagged #CreateYourOwnProblems :P
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real.geizterfahr: Play what you like, don't play what you don't like.
Ah, basic misunderstanding at work here.

Doesn't make too much sense to protest against possibly problematic elements in a game you don't like.

The controversy is born out of feminists et al. actually liking games, not disliking them.

It's born inside video game fandom, not by outside forces.
Post edited March 11, 2015 by Vainamoinen
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Vainamoinen: Don't get me wrong, there's plenty collusion, but gamergate has been hilariously bad at pointing it out, because all gamergate is ever interested in is where they've been "insulted".
I'm sorry but that is all YOUR SIDE has been doing.

that charcter is in a bikini I AM SO OFFENDED!

muh soggy knee

and to correct you, "The controversy is born out of feminists et al. actually playing games, and hating on elements they dislike. "

there are female developers supporting gg that have recieved lots of hate FROM ANTI GG

your loving and caring and friendly site really enjoys sending out the threats they claim to receive and dislike. and bets of all: the people who are seen as figureheads of gg often condemn the hate and threats, while anti gg figureheads send and celebrate them.
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Vainamoinen: The controversy is born out of feminists et al. actually liking games, not disliking them.

It's born inside video game fandom, not by outside forces.
*spockbrow*

Don't try to tell me that Sarkeesian and all the other media figures making money with fanning the heat and being the main protagonists now are "gamers". I also don't think that it's born in any gaming culture but completely outside of it, some people (not even that many) who actually play video games just jumped on the bandwagon because it's always cool and a way to make lots of money to blame and shame people today, obviously.

It's made by neo-feminists (I refuse to call them feminists, because I have this term reserved for the people who actually made this world a better place by supporting freedom and equality) who are NOT gamers at all.

Female gamers are mostly pro-#gg from what I gathered and are threatened by rabid neo-feminists just like their male friends, sometimes even more.
Post edited March 11, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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Klumpen0815: Don't try to tell me that Sarkeesian and all the other media figures making money with fanning the heat and being the main protagonists now are "gamers".
Err, quite a few are even game developers. And, yes, if you've looked outside your bubble for just a bit, maybe even got to Idle Thumbs podcast #176, a whole new perspective might open up to you.

The only people who even give a shit about video games are people who play games. Feminist literature critics, feminist movie critics, feminist video game critics. Same damn thing.

The "not gamers" narrative is a defense mechanism meant to dismissing criticism before it's even voiced. And it's not a good one.
Post edited March 11, 2015 by Vainamoinen
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Vainamoinen: The controversy is born out of feminists et al. actually liking games, not disliking them.

It's born inside video game fandom, not by outside forces.
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Klumpen0815: *spockbrow*

Don't try to tell me that Sarkeesian and all the other media figures making money with fanning the heat and being the main protagonists now are "gamers". I also don't think that it's born in any gaming culture but completely outside of it, some people (not even that many) who actually play video games just jumped on the bandwagon because it's always cool and a way to make lots of money to blame and shame people today, obviously.

It's made by neo-feminists (I refuse to call them feminists, because I have this term reserved for the people who actually made this world a better place by supporting freedom and equality) who are NOT gamers at all.

Female gamers are mostly pro-#gg from what I gathered and are threatened by rabid neo-feminists just like their male friends, sometimes even more.
http://techraptor.net/content/indie-devs-opinion-gamergate-women-gaming

this line is intersting

"JD: Most of the harassment I have received is over my pro-GG opinions, many of the people now on the anti-GG side harassed me long before this happened. The only thing that’s changed is higher profile people now think it is ok to make thinly veiled threats to my career, future reviews, etc."

i think going going to look more into this Jennifer dawe.

but man, Wu ain't having it easy. Not only did she have many pro gg against her, she angered many neutrals with her "haress self, blame gg" efforts, and now she has made many a enemy within anti gg by talking to the ceo of stardock

reminds me that SJW behave like starving wolves. they will devour anyone, and if there is no prey, its the runt of the pack.
Post edited March 11, 2015 by dragonbeast
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Klumpen0815: Don't try to tell me that Sarkeesian and all the other media figures making money with fanning the heat and being the main protagonists now are "gamers".
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Vainamoinen: Err, quite a few are even game developers. And, yes, if you've looked outside your bubble for just a bit, maybe even got to Idle Thumbs podcast #176, a whole new perspective might open up to you.
I know about the few devs, after all the corruption of some of those was the key element to bend the whole topic to the current topics. Using "feminism" when you lack valuable arguments is the "nazi-card" of the early 21st century after all.

I may remind you again, that #gamergate always was about corruption in journalism and exactly those corrupt people are using the usually strong blind hatred of neo-feminist to move the focus away from what it's about.
It actually didn't have anything to do with male/female-stuff at all but simply with corruption and those people are using you now.
Post edited March 11, 2015 by Klumpen0815