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wpegg: VAR hasn't been used long enough to establish precedent on what should happen regarding original decisions, ...
Actually the rules about VAR are quite clear: The main referee can accept the control room decision OR review himself and make a decision OR disregard the control room decision and ues his own judgment. The decision is his. There is no precedent to be established.
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Linko90: A fouls a foul hasn't applied in a long time now, see any top tier match or league. Defenders are literally running out of options these days purely down to poor officials and constant pushes for players to dive (more often than not if they don't dive they don't get anything, even if it was a foul). Human factors are always gonna be there, VAR's just a tool, not the decision maker
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wpegg: Once the referee invokes VAR it should be 100%. VAR was invoked, and it should give the fairest result possible. I don't subscribe to the "everyone fouls a bit" logic, it's just giving more room to players breaking the game. Right now we see shameless rugby tackles in the area because they are aware that even with VAR they are bulletproof. If the Russian player hadn't accidentally backfooted the goal, that tackle would have been ignored, that's not football.
Fouls and the dark arts have been apart of football since forever. It's never been a perfect game of rule-abiding

As for being bulletproof, i don't agree on that, most of the rugby tackle fouls are on the blind side of the officials. It's then up to the officials to use VAR to make a decision. Invoking VAR is allowing the ref to see a situation and the making a decision. The human factor is still involved, which includes mistake/interpretations. VAR was never going to be an instant fix
Post edited July 01, 2018 by Linko90
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Caesar.: My second team (Portugal) also was defeated yesterday. Who should I root for now?
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lolplatypus: The underdog.

It's comming home.

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ZFR: Because Croatia doesn't count?
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lolplatypus: Also Russia. And Sweden.
And Switzerland.
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wpegg: VAR hasn't been used long enough to establish precedent on what should happen regarding original decisions, ...
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ZFR: Actually the rules about VAR are quite clear: The main referee can accept the control room decision OR review himself and make a decision OR disregard the control room decision and ues his own judgment. The decision is his. There is no precedent to be established.
I meant in a "cricket" sense where the original decision has a bearing on the reviewed decision by the VAR.
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ZFR: Actually the rules about VAR are quite clear: The main referee can accept the control room decision OR review himself and make a decision OR disregard the control room decision and ues his own judgment. The decision is his. There is no precedent to be established.
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wpegg: I meant in a "cricket" sense where the original decision has a bearing on the reviewed decision by the VAR.
OK.

(By the way, I've been watching cricket for 20+ years and never knew that was the case. Interesting).
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ZFR: (By the way, I've been watching cricket for 20+ years and never knew that was the case. Interesting).
Yeah - when you hear a review being given "Umpires Call". It means it was actually out (not not out depending on the reviewer), but it wasn't by enough to overrule the decision.
Okay well had to run out for second. I assume I didn't miss anything. Nothing ever happens in the firs five minutes anyway


AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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tinyE: Okay well had to run out for second. I assume I didn't miss anything. Nothing ever happens in the firs five minutes anyway

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Ditto. I've missed both goals as well. :-(
Indeed, 6 minutes and 2 goals late in my case :D
Go, Croatia!
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tinyE: Okay well had to run out for second. I assume I didn't miss anything. Nothing ever happens in the firs five minutes anyway

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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mk47at: Ditto. I've missed both goals as well. :-(
There will be more.
Neither of these teams are putting on a defensive clinic. :P
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Linko90: A fouls a foul hasn't applied in a long time now, see any top tier match or league. Defenders are literally running out of options these days purely down to poor officials and constant pushes for players to dive (more often than not if they don't dive they don't get anything, even if it was a foul). Human factors are always gonna be there, VAR's just a tool, not the decision maker
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wpegg: Once the referee invokes VAR it should be 100%. VAR was invoked, and it should give the fairest result possible. I don't subscribe to the "everyone fouls a bit" logic, it's just giving more room to players breaking the game. Right now we see shameless rugby tackles in the area because they are aware that even with VAR they are bulletproof. If the Russian player hadn't accidentally backfooted the goal, that tackle would have been ignored, that's not football.
I beg 2 disagree, VAR were NEVER meant 2 replace or overturn the referee's decision, it is there solely 2 advise the referee on 4 major decisions only but the referee still has the final say in any match as some infringes may or may not be adjudged as a clear foul. All VAR is supposed 2 do is 2 give the referee a 2nd & perhaps clearer look & help the referee make a more informed decision.

While granted now there r technology such as offside cam 2 check 4 offside & goal-line technology which can really help provide a more accurate assessment whether a goal has been scored or not rather than rely on the referee & linesman 2 make those decisions, there r still parts of the game such as fouls which r not so clear-cut even with the assistance of VAR so ultimately it still falls on referee 2 make those judgement calls.

We may or may not agree with the referee's decision all the time but these has ALWAYS been part & parcel of the game since the introduction of referee & finalized rules. All we can do is put our support behind whichever team we wld like support, watch the game & hope 4 the best.

Edit: Made some changes, thks 2 ZFR 4 the info. :)
Post edited July 01, 2018 by tomyam80
Who do we have left that has actually won this thing?

Brazil
Uganda
England
France

Am I missing one?
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tomyam80: We may or may not agree with the referee's decision all the time but these has ALWAYS been part & parcel of the game since its inception.
While I otherwise completely agree with what you wrote, the referee was introduced in 1881. Laws of the game were codified in 1863, while the game tooks its "current" form (diverged from rugby) in 1871.
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tinyE: Who do we have left that has actually won this thing?

Brazil
Uganda
England
France

Am I missing one?
Yes, Uruguay. As far as i know Uganda has nv made it into World Cup Tournament b4. ;p
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tinyE: Who do we have left that has actually won this thing?

Brazil
Uganda
England
France

Am I missing one?
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tomyam80: Yes, Uruguay. As far as i know Uganda has nv made it into World Cup Tournament b4. ;p
Shit, I got those two counties mixed up.

My bad.