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Just looked over the first few pages of this thread

My Take Aways:

A;GOd, a lot of people here are gullible and easy to troll. Even a totally clueless, incompetent Troll can get a Flame War started pretty easy. I fully agree that the best rule for handling trolls would be "Don't Feed Them" but there is always some fool who will....
B. GOG continues to have major problems win the Public Relatations department. They really need to hire better PR people.
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Zeewolf: Maybe GOG wouldn't get in so much trouble if they just started treating their social media followers as adults again instead of constantly tweeting/posting lame memes and other childish nonsense.

Offensive or not, there was nothing of value in that tweet. It was just dumb noise.
That's not how "expanding your customer base" works.

Let's take my business as an example. I only had a website and a Facebook page. Facebook Insights told me that my main audience are women between the age of 45 and 54. I was pretty happy with my followers. I knew how to talk to them and how to post my stuff in a way they like it. I didn't use any Twitter, Instagram or Snapchat. There aren't many women at that age on Instagram or Snapchat anyway, so I thought that there was no need to use it. I TRIED Instagram for a while, but I didn't get enough followers to put more time in it. And to be absolutely honest: I didn't even understand the idea behind it. I mean... First thing most people do after installing a browser is to install an AdBlocker. So... Why the hell would the same people want to go to Instagram? Half of it is advertising from influencers (and the other half is duck face selfies) oO Get an AdBlocker on PC and watch ads on your smartphone voluntarily? How weird is that? I just decided that I'm too old for Instagram. We all read the "Facebook is for old people" news. I'm fine with "being old", so I decided to stay on Facebook.

After a while I started to think about Instagram again, because more and more people kept on telling me how awesome it is. I had a very looooong look at it. One thing I discovered: The same company has a different writing style on Facebook and on Instagram. Why? Well, because there's a whole different audience. And that's exactly the reason why my Instagram never became succesful. I did what you're asking from GOG. I "treated my followers as adults". Just that there aren't many "adults" on Instagram. You need to adapt to the audience there if you want to have a succesful presence there. And as a business you have to do this, because they're "free" new customers.

Twitter for entertainment (a games store is entertainment) is a constant stream of stupid memes and jokes. The audience there expects this. You do it different, you won't be successful and thus miss out on potential customers. You can't treat your followers as adults there. 280 letters isn't much room for treating someone as an adult. It's just enough for memes, jokes and clickbait.
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The transgender thing is flaring up again in my part of the world as well! The governing body of our football (that's football not soccer) are being challenged in court because they ruled that men who cut their penis off are no longer allowed to play football against women (real ones that is). Previously they were allowed, but then it was changed because it was decided a biological born male will always have a strength advantage no matter what. The tragedy is that the women footballers (the real ones) cannot even make public statements defending their rights without being assaulted online by the tranny supporters. How has it come to this?

And New Zealand entered a man who cut his penis off in the weightlifting competition (of all things!) at the Commonwealth Games, and it was allowed.

You really think these people are not attention seeking? They are really just protecting their rights? What about the rights of women that want to play sport. Transgender rights are higher than womens rights apparently. Transgener people don't want equal rights, they extra rights, they want their own little laws sperate laws written just for them.

I'm waiting for the day that the Olympics "female" teams are all men that identify with being female, we may as well just go down this path and remove the need even for the operation, why not?
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CMOT70: The transgender thing is flaring up again in my part of the world as well! The governing body of our football (that's football not soccer) are being challenged in court because they ruled that men who cut their penis off are no longer allowed to play football against women (real ones that is). Previously they were allowed, but then it was changed because it was decided a biological born male will always have a strength advantage no matter what. The tragedy is that the women footballers (the real ones) cannot even make public statements defending their rights without being assaulted online by the tranny supporters. How has it come to this?

And New Zealand entered a man who cut his penis off in the weightlifting competition (of all things!) at the Commonwealth Games, and it was allowed.

You really think these people are not attention seeking? They are really just protecting their rights? What about the rights of women that want to play sport. Transgender rights are higher than womens rights apparently. Transgener people don't want equal rights, they extra rights, they want their own little laws sperate laws written just for them.

I'm waiting for the day that the Olympics "female" teams are all men that identify with being female, we may as well just go down this path and remove the need even for the operation, why not?
Christ, what century are you from?
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Maverick89: There´s nothing transphobic in the tweet, or in the Cyberpunk "Did you just assume my gender" tweet, pcmasterrace isn´t offensive, gamergate isn´t about harassment and the Postal 2 tweet was funny. Stop caving to the always offended mob, they´re not your customers.
Just bury your head in the sand some more.

The tweets are gross.

Educate yourself on WHY it's gross.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdp-tweets-trash-tweet-about-trans-people-again-this-time-from-gog-read-op.76395
Post edited October 25, 2018 by hijackthepants
What's going on with this thread? Last post from my perspective was 4 hours ago yet it rides near the top of the forum.
OK there was another thread about basically the same subject I already read through, it gave me a headache, I can't find it right now, not gonna read all 15 pages of this, I think the gist is pretty clear to me right now. Rather...

I keep hearing it said this was GOG's "third strike" in making an "offensive" tweet by a number of people. Putting aside the contents of the tweets themselves and whether or not they were "offensive" (something I don't really care to argue about, not right now anyway), the second one was made by CD Projekt Red, not GOG themselves. I know both are close affiliates, seeing "CD Projekt Group" in the bottom left corner of this site and CD Projekt's site having GOG as a listing at the top. Does one company own the other? Or is it just some partnership...thing? Last I heard, several years back, in a video interview with someone at GOG, they said though they work closely with CDPR they aren't a branch of their company. They just happened to share an office right across and have the same principles about DRM and so forth (which seems to have changed since then obviously with their respective banners highlighted on both their sites).

So both are associates, but to what degree? Who leverages all the responsibility of any social media goings-on if any? They both still remain essentially separate entities with their own social media handlers, right? Is it really fair to pin all three, *'hem* "incidents" on GOG when they themselves could only be technically held "accountable" for two (Postal expansion advertising featuring a grave of "Game Journalists" being pissed on, and them co-opting a tweet about trans rights in America to make it something about games), and CDPR for one in the middle of all this, their transgression being a "did you assume their gender" dad joke.

So what is it? It's sort of understandable why they'd both be lumped in as "three times the charmless" but despite their associations they are different operations independent of one another. GOG is a storefront for DRM-free games. CDPR is a game development studio who releases titles on multiple platforms, including consoles, and on other PC game storefronts besides GOG (Steam, and Origin too I believe I saw Witcher games being sold there as well). Anyone have a solid answer for this?
Post edited October 25, 2018 by cannard
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notranniespls: All trannies should be skilled alive
Many alive ones are already skilled.
It seems like a waste to have a skilled workforce of any kind consisting exclusively of dead people, but that's just me, I'm lacking perspective and the lived experiences of the deceased. Otherwise, a perfectly agreeable statement! Anyone of every race, ethnicity, creed, color, religion, gender and social and financial standing who isn't in a graveyard would make great gains in life from acquiring useful skills to help in their lives and future prospects.
Post edited October 25, 2018 by cannard
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tremere110: What's going on with this thread? Last post from my perspective was 4 hours ago yet it rides near the top of the forum.
Apparently a lot of trolls, blogging, shitflinging, and people that nobody liked to see talk too much.
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cannard: OK there was another thread about basically the same subject I already read through, it gave me a headache, I can't find it right now, not gonna read all 15 pages of this, I think the gist is pretty clear to me right now. Rather...

I keep hearing it said this was GOG's "third strike" in making an "offensive" tweet by a number of people. Putting aside the contents of the tweets themselves and whether or not they were "offensive" (something I don't really care to argue about, not right now anyway), the second one was made by CD Projekt Red, not GOG themselves. I know both are close affiliates, seeing "CD Projekt Group" in the bottom left corner of this site and CD Projekt's site having GOG as a listing at the top. Does one company own the other? Or is it just some partnership...thing? Last I heard, several years back, in a video interview with someone at GOG, they said though they work closely with CDPR they aren't a branch of their company. They just happened to share an office right across and have the same principles about DRM and so forth (which seems to have changed since then obviously with their respective banners highlighted on both their sites).

So both are associates, but to what degree? Who leverages all the responsibility of any social media goings-on if any? They both still remain essentially separate entities with their own social media handlers, right? Is it really fair to pin all three, *'hem* "incidents" on GOG when they themselves could only be technically held "accountable" for two (Postal expansion advertising featuring a grave of "Game Journalists" being pissed on, and them co-opting a tweet about trans rights in America to make it something about games), and CDPR for one in the middle of all this, their transgression being a "did you assume their gender" dad joke.

So what is it? It's sort of understandable why they'd both be lumped in as "three times the charmless" but despite their associations they are different operations independent of one another. GOG is a storefront for DRM-free games. CDPR is a game development studio who releases titles on multiple platforms, including consoles, and on other PC game storefronts besides GOG (Steam, and Origin too I believe I saw Witcher games being sold there as well). Anyone have a solid answer for this?
CD Projekt Group controls CD Projekt Red and GoG. They are both separate branches of CD Projekt Group, which is the overarching company. They are obviously staffed by different people and everything. The social media channels of each branch are handled by multiple, differing people. You're right, people are incompetent and holding them both responsible despite being staffed by different people and being different branches. The one who had done the CDPR tweet had *nothing* to do with whatever GOG tweets and vice-versa, and I can confirm this for almost guaranteed fact.... that I can't post proof of right now for sensitive reasons.
A lot of people also aren't aware that CD Projekt Group exists, and assume that CDPR owns GoG or something like that.
Basically a lot of branding confusion and whatnot. CD Projekt Group are the bigwigs controlling both, CD Projekt Red are the Game Developing branch, and GoG is their storefront branch and they are staffed by different people and do different things. Their day to days are handled by different people.
Post edited October 25, 2018 by Fenixblade33
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Fenixblade33: trim
Thank you, illuminating response. I think no matter what anyone's thoughts are on the contents of each company's tweet history, there are a number of things to take into consideration I see almost nobody doing at all. But that's the nature of the trash fire that is "current year" social media and socio-political discourse and the way it's molded the ways of thought of so many people for the worse. Well, since whoever posted the tweet has put GOG in the crossfire at the moment, with so far the biggest impact (while some indie movies probably almost nobody here bought or watched - I assume, neither I nor anyone I've seen anywhere knows who they are - being removed with the reason explicitly stated may seem a joke, the ramifications in the future could actually affect the things here most people DO care about if this keeps going), "tonedeaf" is perhaps what I'd label this twitter drama. I doubt many people would take into consideration things like you mentioned, but probably for this one, I think a transparent explanation of whatever's going on would be the best thing for GOG to do at the moment rather than just another tweet-long apology and moving on.

No, not to appease the rabid lunatics, of course nothing would appease them outside of seeing GOG being shut down outright (ResetEra doxxing an employee here should let people know that such people have only the worst intentions in mind and only seek to destroy others to gain ideological high ground, nothing more), but merely as a gesture of displaying genuine goodwill. Some may say "only the crazies are complaining" which, I don't think is entirely fair an assessment. It's a difference between someone saying "get your shit together" and "boycott them, dox everyone, they are transphobes looking to destroy the LGBTQ community, they are Nazis, they must be punched, no bad tactics, only bad targets, liberals get the bullet too." A fine line dividing the two I will say. Even though for some it may not seem that way there is in fact some level of nuance to be found in people lying outside the spectra of "crazy" both far left and far right.
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cannard: Thank you, illuminating response. I think no matter what anyone's thoughts are on the contents of each company's tweet history, there are a number of things to take into consideration I see almost nobody doing at all. But that's the nature of the trash fire that is "current year" social media and socio-political discourse and the way it's molded the ways of thought of so many people for the worse. Well, since whoever posted the tweet has put GOG in the crossfire at the moment, with so far the biggest impact (while some indie movies probably almost nobody here bought or watched - I assume, neither I nor anyone I've seen anywhere knows who they are - being removed with the reason explicitly stated may seem a joke, the ramifications in the future could actually affect the things here most people DO care about if this keeps going), "tonedeaf" is perhaps what I'd label this twitter drama. I doubt many people would take into consideration things like you mentioned, but probably for this one, I think a transparent explanation of whatever's going on would be the best thing for GOG to do at the moment rather than just another tweet-long apology and moving on.

No, not to appease the rabid lunatics, of course nothing would appease them outside of seeing GOG being shut down outright (ResetEra doxxing an employee here should let people know that such people have only the worst intentions in mind and only seek to destroy others to gain ideological high ground, nothing more), but merely as a gesture of displaying genuine goodwill. Some may say "only the crazies are complaining" which, I don't think is entirely fair an assessment. It's a difference between someone saying "get your shit together" and "boycott them, dox everyone, they are transphobes looking to destroy the LGBTQ community, they are Nazis, they must be punched, no bad tactics, only bad targets, liberals get the bullet too." A fine line dividing the two I will say. Even though for some it may not seem that way there is in fact some level of nuance to be found in people lying outside the spectra of "crazy" both far left and far right.
Well... considering that the attacks are *still* very much ongoing against GoG and its employees incredibly enough, I doubt GoG would want to put themselves in the spotlight with any further actions or responses to be honest. They're still reeling and being punched at as we speak. A genuine, transparent explanation of what's going on would be nice but... I don't think GoG would honestly be able to give one at this point in time. I'm almost willing to bet that their offices are in chaos right now dealing with this situation. That would also require someone with an incredibly level head as well, and something we really haven't seen up until this point: stability and consistency. There's also plenty of messages and feedback here for GoG to read that aren't written by "crazies". A lot of normal people seem to just want those things out of GoG. Either to stick to their guns, or to change their approach entirely. None of this halfway nonsense that ends up with them getting in trouble, and the outrage crowd taking advantage and ground against them and ramping up their efforts each time to destroy the lives of people at GoG, as well as the business. Hell GoG might be uncertain as to what to do right now themselves, that's the vibe I'm getting from this situation and the overall silences across every media channel.

I agree with most everything you're saying though.
A reply not so much to OP specifically but to the topics OP mentioned in general:

1. I'm not sure how the "did you assume [person's] gender?" thing is even funny. Maybe it's funny to some in a "hurr durr take that!" sorta way, but from my perspective it's neither funny, nor even particularly outrageous. It just sounds dull, like someone gloating all by themselves over saying something they thought was super-clever but everyone else thinks is sorta stupid and pointless.

2. Not sure who thinks the phrase "PC master race" is seriously offensive; sure, the source of it certainly is offensive, but the phrase was rather noticeably used to mock PC elitists in the first place. Just that some PC elitists were so dense as to mistake it as a badge of pride in their superiority complex that drives them to lord their way of enjoying games over other people's ways of enjoying games.

3. Gamergate was a stupid flamewar.
Post edited October 25, 2018 by QuintSakugarne
Three hundred and thirty posts of uninterrupted poo flinging in less than forty-eight hours. I have to say, it's been aeons since I've seen such a hilarious fucking dumpster fire of a thread.
Post edited October 25, 2018 by Hesusio