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Breja: Oh come on, the new trilogy has a fuckton of problems, and they are definately not exactly "good", but in no realm of reality are they worse than the prequels. In fact it's the very awfulness of the prequels that makes them watchable - whatever they do here, there is no more "shock value" left to fucking up Star Wars,
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phaolo: Eh, frankly if I had to choose between the 2 trilogies, I'd probably select the prequels.
I'll roll a bit my eyes during a few stupid scenes, instead of all the time with the new trilogy.
At least they improve towards the end. SW7+ seem hopeless.
You call Revenge of the Sith an improvement? :D Good heavens. No, no, no. For all their flaws, TFA and Last Jedi are still far more watchable than the prequels. I may be giving Ray and Finn a lot of shit for being bland and boring, but it's still nothing compared to Anakin (both of them) or Padme. And there's no midichlorians here, nor the horrible CG gummi bear Yoda. I'll take the ghostly old school crazy Yoda over that monstrosity any day.

Though, I'll agree there's one thing the prequels had better - the villains. Even Maul was more impressive than Kylo, and Lee as Dooku was as fun and classy as Lee always was as imposing villains. And Ian McDiarmid was obviously having a great time chewing the scenery as Palpatine, so it's hard not to have a little fun too when watching him. Even if somehow his make up looks much worse than in the original movies :P Yeah, the new trilogy is in desperate need of better villains.
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dtgreene: One thing that I haven't seen addressed in this topic yet:

How's the music? Is it good like the original trilogy, is it just "there" like in TFA, or is it something like Rogue One, which sounds almost, but not quite familiar?
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Breja: It's pretty much the "just there like in TFA" scenario. The only moments you really notice it is when it plays the classic music form the originals.
Williams' music is no longer as spectacular as George Lucas movies, I don't know if it's because he's getting older, or because the new directors don't know how to push it right.
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Breja: It's pretty much the "just there like in TFA" scenario. The only moments you really notice it is when it plays the classic music form the originals.
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Alexim: Williams' music is no longer as spectacular as George Lucas movies, I don't know if it's because he's getting older, or because the new directors don't know how to push it right.
They should have used the version of the theme I play on my Stratocaster. :P
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Breja: It's pretty much the "just there like in TFA" scenario. The only moments you really notice it is when it plays the classic music form the originals.
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Alexim: Williams' music is no longer as spectacular as George Lucas movies, I don't know if it's because he's getting older, or because the new directors don't know how to push it right.
Quite literally the best piece of music to come out of The Last Jedi.
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Breja: Oh come on, the new trilogy has a fuckton of problems, and they are definately not exactly "good", but in no realm of reality are they worse than the prequels.
Seriously? For all prequel flaws Lucas at least tried to make a new story that would fit established canon (medichlorian BS aside).
And true, Anakin's motivation to join the Dark Side is oversimplified, but at least he has a motivation and there is actual "journey" for him as a character throughout all three films. Unlike Rey, who doesn't have character growth at all.

Also, I really don't know, if "Holdo was right and Finn was wrong" plot move is policital or not, but it's sure is dumb. Because Holdo's escape plan relies on that First Order being idiots.
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Breja: Oh come on, the new trilogy has a fuckton of problems, and they are definately not exactly "good", but in no realm of reality are they worse than the prequels.
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LootHunter: Seriously? For all prequel flaws Lucas at least tried to make a new story that would fit established canon (medichlorian BS aside).
No it doesn't. The prequels don't fit with the original trilogy at fucking all. Also, following canon and being a good movie are not the same thing. If you weren't so busy tracking down leftist conspiracies maybe you'd be better at watching actual movies :P
Post edited December 25, 2017 by Breja
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Alexim: Williams' music is no longer as spectacular as George Lucas movies, I don't know if it's because he's getting older, or because the new directors don't know how to push it right.
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Breja: Quite literally the best piece of music to come out of The Last Jedi.
LOL
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LootHunter: Seriously? For all prequel flaws Lucas at least tried to make a new story that would fit established canon (medichlorian BS aside).
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Breja: No it doesn't. The prequels don't fit with the original trilogy at fucking all.
Oh, really? Palpatin's slowly overtaking power in the Republican Senate don't fit? Or Yoda being powerful enough to fight? What does happen in the prequel trilogy that tells us - "original trilogy was BS, you should forget about it"?
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Breja: If you weren't so busy tracking down leftist conspiracies maybe you'd be better at watching actual movies :P
Believe me, I try. But I simply can't escape all those articles about the need of destroying "white suprematist memorials" and "rape culture". Seriously, even gamasutra.com (portal about game development) posts articles like "black characters are better than white" and "we need to denounce masculinity and teach our children to not fear penises penetration their assess" on a regular basis.
Post edited December 25, 2017 by LootHunter
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Breja: No it doesn't. The prequels don't fit with the original trilogy at fucking all.
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LootHunter: Oh, really? Palpatin's slowly overtaking power in the Republican Senate don't fit? Or Yoda being powerful enough to fight? What does happen in the prequel trilogy that tells us - "original trilogy was BS, you should forget about it"?
In the original trilogy Obi-Wan was trained by Yoda, not some Qui-Gon guy. And he never met R2-D2 before, nor had R2 known the entire freaking Skywalker story. And Chewbacca didn't know that another Jedi master named Yoda survived the Jedi purge, which he witnessed first hand in the prequels (or he just decided to not tell Luke about that other potential teacher... uhm... because don't even bother trying to make it fit). Nor is it ever mentioned or indicated that Anakin was the most powerful ever chosen one space Jesus. Just that he was a Jedi who turned evil. Oh, and Leia remembers her mother. You know, the one that died seconds after giving birth to her.

And that's jsut some stuff I can remember now. I'm sure there are long, complete lists of all inconsistencies a google search away.

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Breja: If you weren't so busy tracking down leftist conspiracies maybe you'd be better at watching actual movies :P
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LootHunter: Believe me, I try.
There is no try.
Post edited December 25, 2017 by Breja
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LootHunter: Oh, really? Palpatin's slowly overtaking power in the Republican Senate don't fit? Or Yoda being powerful enough to fight? What does happen in the prequel trilogy that tells us - "original trilogy was BS, you should forget about it"?
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Breja: In the original trilogy Obi-Wan was trained by Yoda, not some Qui-Gon guy. And he never met R2-D2 before, nor had R2 known the entire freaking Skywalker story.
According to the Wookiepedia:

"When Kenobi was a youngling, he underwent training with Grand Master Yoda before being assigned as Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn's Padawan learner."

So well he was trained by both.
Post edited December 25, 2017 by MaGo72
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Breja: In the original trilogy Obi-Wan was trained by Yoda, not some Qui-Gon guy. And he never met R2-D2 before, nor had R2 known the entire freaking Skywalker story.
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MaGo72: According to the Wookiepedia:

"When Kenobi was a youngling, he underwent training with Grand Master Yoda before being assigned as Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn's Padawan learner."

So well he was trained by both.
Yeah, and according to me- I don't give a flying fuck about some bending over backwards EU efforts to patch this stuff up. It's like those Highlander 2 edits that try to pretend the whole "Zeist" thing didn't happen. Only without the charm of the craziness of that mess.

EDIT: And let's just make one thing very clear - not following canon and not fitting with something established in previous movies, while annoying and should be avoided if possible, is by far not the biggest problem of the prequels, nor of the new trilogy. That's stuff that would be easily excused if the movies were really good. After all, it's not like the original trilogy is all that consistent. A lot of what is now "established lore" was not even dreamed of by Lucas when the first movie happened.
Post edited December 25, 2017 by Breja
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MaGo72: According to the Wookiepedia:

"When Kenobi was a youngling, he underwent training with Grand Master Yoda before being assigned as Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn's Padawan learner."

So well he was trained by both.
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Breja: Yeah, and according to me- I don't give a flying fuck about some bending over backwards EU efforts to patch this stuff up. It's like those Highlander 2 edits that try to pretend the whole "Zeist" thing didn't happen. Only without the charm of the craziness of that mess.

EDIT: And let's just make one thing very clear - not following canon and not fitting with something established in previous movies, while annoying and should be avoided if possible, is by far not the biggest problem of the prequels, nor of the new trilogy. That's stuff that would be easily excused if the movies were really good. After all, it's not like the original trilogy is all that consistent. A lot of what is now "established lore" was not even dreamed of by Lucas when the first movie happened.
"After landing, Kenobi stayed behind on the ship, while Jinn, Amidala (disguised as a handmaiden), Binks and R2-D2 went to look for a new hyperdrive unit. While looking for it, Jinn discovered Anakin Skywalker, from whom he retrieved a blood sample and had the data sent to Kenobi on the ship."

R2D2 was with Kenobi back then. And I just watched the part in the original series again, R2D2 is looking for his former master - Obi Wan Kenobi.

The problem with the prequels was: The theme and story was dire and not childrens stuff, but Lucas pitched for a younger audience. Although I appreciate his efforts of worldbuilding with the new technology avaliable.

What is this Highlander 2 Movie you are talking about? There is only one movie, the one with the Queen Soundtrack - intense stare, intensified stare...

And about the new one: Visually stunning, rest is a mess and a slap in the face of the franchise. The "bombers" are just hilarious, apart from the notion that bombs fall in space, how does this asian girl survive in the compartment with the bombs, when those doors are open and space is just like some meters away...

Best of the new ones is Rogue One, since it had the balls to tell it's own story.
Post edited December 26, 2017 by MaGo72
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Breja: Quotes below
Chewbacca didn't know that another Jedi master named Yoda survived the Jedi purge, which he witnessed
He witnessed Yoda survived the beginning of the purge. Do you honestly think that Palpatin stopped to hunt Jedi in all those years between trilogies?
Nor is it ever mentioned or indicated that Anakin was the most powerful ever chosen one space Jesus.
That's the part supplimentary to medichlorian BS. Btw, all we know for a fact is that medichlorian BS is high in Anakin's blood. We don't actually see Anakin being as powerful as Yoda or anythng in the prequels (in fact Obi-Wan defeats him). Everything else was Qui-Gon's speculations.
Oh, and Leia remembers her mother. You know, the one that died seconds after giving birth to her.
Pictures? Holograms? Maybe she ment her adoptive mother? Ok, even if it is an inconsistency, it still doesn't change much. Unlike Snoke corrupting Kylo without Luke's knowledge or Snoke period for that matter.
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Breja: Quotes below
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LootHunter: Chewbacca didn't know that another Jedi master named Yoda survived the Jedi purge, which he witnessed
He witnessed Yoda survived the beginning of the purge. Do you honestly think that Palpatin stopped to hunt Jedi in all those years between trilogies?
Nor is it ever mentioned or indicated that Anakin was the most powerful ever chosen one space Jesus.
That's the part supplimentary to medichlorian BS. Btw, all we know for a fact is that medichlorian BS is high in Anakin's blood. We don't actually see Anakin being as powerful as Yoda or anythng in the prequels (in fact Obi-Wan defeats him). Everything else was Qui-Gon's speculations.
Oh, and Leia remembers her mother. You know, the one that died seconds after giving birth to her.
Pictures? Holograms? Maybe she ment her adoptive mother? Ok, even if it is an inconsistency, it still doesn't change much. Unlike Snoke corrupting Kylo without Luke's knowledge or Snoke period for that matter.
"Unlike Snoke corrupting Kylo without Luke's knowledge or Snoke period for that matter."

That alone would have been stuff for a good movie as an underlying story arc - Luke trying to find out what is corrupting Ben Solo. And you could have even brought in Rey as a Jedi apprentice.
Post edited December 26, 2017 by MaGo72
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MaGo72: R2D2 was with Kenobi back then.
Uhm... yes? So? That's exactly what I said - R2 is present throoughout the prequels, even though in the original trilogy Obi-Wan doesn't know him and R2 exhibits no nowledge of those events and people. Even though it's explicitly said at the end of Episode III that only C-3PO had his memory wiped.

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LootHunter: Ok, even if it is an inconsistency, it still doesn't change much. Unlike Snoke corrupting Kylo without Luke's knowledge or Snoke period for that matter.
Without Luke's knowledge? Luke knew. He literally says so. Also, you seem to be confusing plot holes specific to the movie, with inconsistencies between movies. Snoke and Kylo have nothing to do with previous movies.
Post edited December 26, 2017 by Breja