It seems that you're using an outdated browser. Some things may not work as they should (or don't work at all).
We suggest you upgrade newer and better browser like: Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer or Opera

×
Community
General discussionStar Wars Episode VII teaser trailer(487 posts)(487 posts)
(487 posts)
Pages:
1
5
10
15
17
18
19
20
21
25
30
33
This is my favourite topic
Posted December 01, 2014
avatar
Elmofongo: I already accepted that Traditional 2D Animantion is forever dead and replaced by the cheaper Flash animation :P

(Though I still lament the death of Traditional 2D Animation)
hand-drawn has never, and will not, go quietly. look up michel gagne, jhonen vasquez, pendleton ward, jg quintel, all of these guys contributed to this form of art; flash is awesome, but hand-drawn has soul. the lion king, which had next to no cgi (the stampede sequence) is just as awesome as when it was released. the reason why cgi and flash is used is because it's cheap, but they try to copy or emulate hand-drawn; why bother respecting an art form if it's no longer relevant? not the case here. the simpsons still stands strong, adventure time continues, hand drawn animation goes on.


sorry if i come across as angry, but i'm not; i just can't stand hearing that 2d is a no-go.
Posted December 01, 2014
avatar
Elmofongo: And have you seen Lord of the Rings? Their CGI is already dated looking compared to the Hobbit.
And Hobbit's CGI will look dated in a few years too. LotR practical effects however, don't and won't.

avatar
Elmofongo: The Wargs come to mind.
The Hobbit's wolfs looked way worse on release day, than LotR wargs do now.

avatar
Elmofongo: In the end I just find you guys dislike of CGI annoying as is your nostalgia of the Olden days of Practical effects where everything. Grow up and accept that CGI has replaced practical effects, And anyone who makes new movies using cheap looking props just for the sake that it "Looks" real are just hipsters :P
Calm down, dude. No one is going to take your precious fake looking instantly dated CGI away. I'm not leading some Butlerian Jihad against all computers. If you were not so emotional in your defence of CGI, you'd notice that I said it's best to use both, blend them for the best possible effect, like in Interstellar. But you were way to busy throwing a tantrum about Batman and Superman for some reason :D

I can't help the fact, that CGI looks fake to me. I did not decide to like practical effects more to sound cool, it's just what I honestly think. Jim Henson build whole fantastic worlds for his movies, all practical. When something like that is attempted with all CGI, the result is always poor. Peter Jackson's King Kong, Avatar, Maleficent... it's just not fooling anyone.

avatar
Elmofongo: I already accepted that Traditional 2D Animantion is forever dead and replaced by the cheaper Flash animation :P
And does that make Flash better or traditional 2-d worse? No. So what exactly does that prove?
Post edited December 01, 2014 by Breja
Posted December 01, 2014
avatar
Elmofongo: And have you seen Lord of the Rings? Their CGI is already dated looking compared to the Hobbit.
avatar
Breja: And Hobbit's CGI will look dated in a few years too. LotR practical effects however, don't and won't.

avatar
Elmofongo: The Wargs come to mind.
avatar
Breja: The Hobbit's wolfs looked way worse on release day, than LotR wargs do now.

avatar
Elmofongo: In the end I just find you guys dislike of CGI annoying as is your nostalgia of the Olden days of Practical effects where everything. Grow up and accept that CGI has replaced practical effects, And anyone who makes new movies using cheap looking props just for the sake that it "Looks" real are just hipsters :P
avatar
Breja: Calm down, dude. No one is going to take your precious fake looking instantly dated CGI away. I'm not leading some Butlerian Jihad against all computers. If you were not so emotional in your defence of CGI, you'd notice that I said it's best to use both, blend them for the best possible effect, like in Interstellar. But you were way to busy throwing a tantrum about Batman and Superman for some reason :D

I can't help the fact, that CGI looks fake to me. I did not decide to like practical effects more to sound cool, it's just what I honestly think. Jim Henson build whole fantastic worlds for his movies, all practical. When something like that is attempted with all CGI, the result is always poor. Peter Jackson's King Kong, Avatar, Maleficent... it's just not fooling anyone.

avatar
Elmofongo: I already accepted that Traditional 2D Animantion is forever dead and replaced by the cheaper Flash animation :P
avatar
Breja: And does it make better? No. So what exactly does that prove?
Sorry about its just that everytime I get into this discussion with CGI versus Practical Effects I get increadibly agitated in that I feel I am the only one who admires CGI effects when done awesomely. I loved King Kong 2005 it blew me away when I first seen it aswell as the Pirates movies like Davy Jones and the Maelstrom battle.

In the end though I came to the conclusion that Practical Effects or CGI, Traditonal Animation or Flash and 3D CGI. How does it affect our enjoyment on Story, Characters, and Presentation.
Posted December 01, 2014
avatar
LesterKnight99: I like cgi as well as stop motion; films like coraline could have have been done in cgi, but it was literally hand-crafted, which made it even more awesome, not counting the story/model work. oddworld could have been hand drawn, but it wouldn't have the same wonder as it does in cgi. some properties need cgi, whilst others don't really need to.

This has nothing to do with star wars, i just felt like saying an opinion of mine.
I have lately desired a Traditionally drawn 2D animated adaption of the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings books that is completely 100% faithful to the source.

And no those earlier 2 animated adaptions are not as up to snuff imo.

And yeah its still sad that even Disney is no longer making any Traditional Animation.
Posted December 01, 2014
avatar
LesterKnight99: I like cgi as well as stop motion; films like coraline could have have been done in cgi, but it was literally hand-crafted, which made it even more awesome, not counting the story/model work. oddworld could have been hand drawn, but it wouldn't have the same wonder as it does in cgi. some properties need cgi, whilst others don't really need to.

This has nothing to do with star wars, i just felt like saying an opinion of mine.
avatar
Elmofongo: I have lately desired a Traditionally drawn 2D animated adaption of the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings books that is completely 100% faithful to the source.

And no those earlier 2 animated adaptions are not as up to snuff imo.

And yeah its still sad that even Disney is no longer making any Traditional Animation.
disney needs to go back to its roots; before the wireframe, there were cells (animation cells).

have you read the saga of rex? that book was made by michel gagne, and is now being turned into a film. look up michel gagne on youtube, and you'll find the the tease for the film, as well as other stuff.
Posted December 02, 2014
avatar
Emob78: Graffiti, Boba Fett, and pink should not be allowed together in the same sentence... unless of course you are a mentally challenged teenage girl. If they want to inject more estrogen into the SW universe, I'm ok with it. Just please stop with the gender switching and castrating of traditional SW iconography. Hell, why not just retcon the whole series and make Darth Vader a woman? Or maybe make Lando a nerdy Asian?
avatar
Breja: You are really overreacting. It has nothing to do with changing race or gender of established characters (something I personally hate, no matter which way it goes). It's just a new character, who happens to be wearing a mandalorian armor. Not Boba Fett turned into a girl. She painted her armor and paints graffiti beacuse she likes art. I actually find it welcome that they gave her such hobby while also showing her as a competent fighter. There is a potential for an interesting character here. At the very least she already has been given some unique characteristcs and look.

I don't want to insult you, but you really sound like an angry 8 year old Boba Fett fanboy.
Hope you enjoy your emasculated Star Wars. You are clearly a very good, loyal Star Wars fan. You're who they're marketing towards. I'm sure this new patronizing, shallow Star Wars universe will be right up your alley.
Posted December 02, 2014
avatar
Breja: The best way to go is to blend the two together, like Nolan does.
I agree completely. CGI has its place, but so do practical effects. In ep IV the dogfights look dated, but by the time ROTJ comes along, they look amazing and still hold up today. And, IMO, better than CGI dogfights today. Now, I can imagine the model dogfights from ROTJ with some CGI mixed in to clean things up and it would be better than any all CGI cartoon movie done today.

I just can't get over the lack of tactile depth the trailer and today's CGI has.
Posted December 02, 2014
avatar
Elmofongo: In the end though I came to the conclusion that Practical Effects or CGI, Traditonal Animation or Flash and 3D CGI. How does it affect our enjoyment on Story, Characters, and Presentation.
It can certainly affect the enjoyment of the story and characters. There have been so many movies that I've ended up focusing more on the effects than the story, and very few where the story has led me to forget the cheezy CGI. The first Pirates of the Caribbean was such a movie. The last sequel was the former.

The exception to this rule has always been the first Jurassic Park. This is the only movie I can still watch today and the effects still hold up. It's also a movie that used plenty of practical effects.

Stop motion has come a long way since the 80s, even though it's a dying art.

This trailer was one of those times I rolled my eyes and focused on the cheesy CGI. Every single scene was full of it. Arguably the best scene, the part where the X-Wings are flying low, was great but it could've been better had they used a real background or simpler lighting. The thing you get (Thanks Lucas) when you go all CGI is that directors think they should use such magnificent lighting in every scene. Everything's got to be hyper-realistic and that affects the film in a way that the viewer can't connect.
Posted December 02, 2014
avatar
Emob78: Hope you enjoy your emasculated Star Wars. You are clearly a very good, loyal Star Wars fan. You're who they're marketing towards. I'm sure this new patronizing, shallow Star Wars universe will be right up your alley.
Hope you enjoy being a childish douche. You're clearly a bitter, infantile man. I'm sure this patronizing, shallow way of talking with other people is right up your alley.
Posted December 02, 2014
avatar
Breja: You are really overreacting. It has nothing to do with changing race or gender of established characters (something I personally hate, no matter which way it goes). It's just a new character, who happens to be wearing a mandalorian armor. Not Boba Fett turned into a girl. She painted her armor and paints graffiti beacuse she likes art. I actually find it welcome that they gave her such hobby while also showing her as a competent fighter. There is a potential for an interesting character here. At the very least she already has been given some unique characteristcs and look.

I don't want to insult you, but you really sound like an angry 8 year old Boba Fett fanboy.
avatar
Emob78: Hope you enjoy your emasculated Star Wars. You are clearly a very good, loyal Star Wars fan. You're who they're marketing towards. I'm sure this new patronizing, shallow Star Wars universe will be right up your alley.
From my understanding, she was a Mandalorian fighter of some sort, in an imperial school, but something happened and she got away. If I were being indoctrinated into a government program for years and got free, I'd probably be all about color as well. There is a bit too much teenage angst in that show, but it seems to be a reflection of society. :)
Posted December 02, 2014
avatar
Emob78: Graffiti, Boba Fett, and pink should not be allowed together in the same sentence... unless of course you are a mentally challenged teenage girl. If they want to inject more estrogen into the SW universe, I'm ok with it. Just please stop with the gender switching and castrating of traditional SW iconography. Hell, why not just retcon the whole series and make Darth Vader a woman? Or maybe make Lando a nerdy Asian? Or change R2D2's beeps and whistles into a more market friendly Spanish? Hey, sky's the limit... er, Skywalker is the limit, anyway.
Let's take a minute here to remind you just what Boba Fett is in the context of the original movie trilogy - a bounty hunter wearing some cool armor who had exactly one fight, a few short lines, and was killed in an undignified accident. Gender is not part of the character, because there is no character. Anyone in the galaxy could be in that suit. Without knowledge added from the prequels or novels (way after Fett had already become iconic), we couldn't even be sure he was a guy when not five minutes before, Leia was in another suit with a masculine voice changer. For all you know there's a scene of Boba Fett pulling a Samus Aran in one of the drafts of the script which was cut for time.
Post edited December 02, 2014 by markrichardb
Posted December 02, 2014
avatar
gamefood: Edit: Concerning Germany... we will arrive to the dumb level soon (or already arrived?) Take a look e.g. on that prestige project BER, this crappy "airport" near Berlin... Nevertheless quite amusing the whole thing. :)
avatar
real.geizterfahr: Hmm... You mean they had a look at Germany again for the new films and the New Republic already mastered the German art to build things "new and broken" instead of "new and shiny"? Interesting theory ;)
Yeah! You got it, exactly! ;) "New BUT broken" would even sound better, in a way like " yeh yeh yeh get lost with your blabla, we don't care about"...
"Made in Germany" is out, soon the new branding will be "Yup. Actually made in germany. You'd have never guess that huh? *lol* " So world, get prepared for the new german invasion... The invasion of junk and dumb Dipl.-Ing.'s ;D
Posted December 02, 2014
avatar
Emob78: Graffiti, Boba Fett, and pink should not be allowed together in the same sentence... unless of course you are a mentally challenged teenage girl. If they want to inject more estrogen into the SW universe, I'm ok with it. Just please stop with the gender switching and castrating of traditional SW iconography. Hell, why not just retcon the whole series and make Darth Vader a woman? Or maybe make Lando a nerdy Asian? Or change R2D2's beeps and whistles into a more market friendly Spanish? Hey, sky's the limit... er, Skywalker is the limit, anyway.
avatar
markrichardb: Let's take a minute here to remind you just what Boba Fett is in the context of the original movie trilogy - a bounty hunter wearing some cool armor who had exactly one fight, a few short lines, and was killed in an undignified accident. Gender is not part of the character, because there is no character. Anyone in the galaxy could be in that suit. Without knowledge added way after the fact from the prequels or novels (way after Fett had already become iconic), we couldn't even be sure he was a guy when not five minutes before, Leia was in another suit with a masculine voice changer. For all you know there's a scene of Boba Fett pulling a Samus Aran in one of the drafts of the script which was cut for time.
You're right, it's not about gender. Because adding tits and lady swagger to Boba Fett does NOT add value to the character. IT IS PURE MARKETING.

This is not just patronizing. It is a poor facsimile... of something that is already facsimile.
Posted December 02, 2014
avatar
Emob78: Because adding tits and lady swagger
I bet she has cooties. Damn girls, why can't they just keep away from our Star Wars and play with their dolls...
Post edited December 02, 2014 by Breja
Posted December 02, 2014
avatar
Elmofongo: In the end though I came to the conclusion that Practical Effects or CGI, Traditonal Animation or Flash and 3D CGI. How does it affect our enjoyment on Story, Characters, and Presentation.
avatar
gobdav: It can certainly affect the enjoyment of the story and characters. There have been so many movies that I've ended up focusing more on the effects than the story, and very few where the story has led me to forget the cheezy CGI. The first Pirates of the Caribbean was such a movie. The last sequel was the former.

The exception to this rule has always been the first Jurassic Park. This is the only movie I can still watch today and the effects still hold up. It's also a movie that used plenty of practical effects.

Stop motion has come a long way since the 80s, even though it's a dying art.

This trailer was one of those times I rolled my eyes and focused on the cheesy CGI. Every single scene was full of it. Arguably the best scene, the part where the X-Wings are flying low, was great but it could've been better had they used a real background or simpler lighting. The thing you get (Thanks Lucas) when you go all CGI is that directors think they should use such magnificent lighting in every scene. Everything's got to be hyper-realistic and that affects the film in a way that the viewer can't connect.
I enjoy the old CG Cinematics in old PC and PS1 games even though the Cinemativs in Starcraft 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-00uQzXyujI

Looks dated compared to SWracraft 2's cinematics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7d5XheWiBk

But I still love that Starcraft 1 intro because of the awesome voice acting and the nostalgia of what realistic graphics uesd to look like in these old cinmematics.
Pages:
1
5
10
15
17
18
19
20
21
25
30
33
This is my favourite topic
Community
General discussionStar Wars Episode VII teaser trailer(487 posts)(487 posts)
(487 posts)