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Atlantico: I went to see episode VII on opening night. It's a very forgettable movie. It's bad much like Star Trek Into Darkness was bad IMO.

Jar Jar Abrams just can't do this right. The movie is mediocre as a work of labor. Pacing is all over the place. The plot is as contrived as possible. Humor oscillates between fanservice and millennial.

The main characters have no character. One is a Mary Sue, other is a token comedy relief. Completely void of depth or development.

This movie will always be compared to the prequels, because it can't be compared to the original trilogy. It's at prequel quality level.

I wanted to like this movie. Fuck you Abrams.
Too bad every reviewer I have see on the internet ate this shit up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvsiJppCdmk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0315DUM6Cg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh_84ExOdhU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNfqzpCgu9k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBMW3y86cpo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hipPC2UfYBY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W27dtFbBGRg

http://channelawesome.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-midnight-screenings/

http://channelawesome.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-disneycember-2015/

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Mr. D™: Just throwing in....

Left the cinema when the final battle took place, stopped at that point carrying about the movie at all.

Same happened with Star Trek: Into Darkness, though that movie was REALLY abyssal, SW7 on the other hand is just not interesting.

I think at this point J J Abrams is probably the most overrated director in mainstream

Also can someone please finally teach J J Abrams how to make a villain that is NOT a two-dimensional character?

P.S.
And I can`t think of a single moment, when the music got my attention, could not even tell if there was music at all.

@TinyE, I found your donkey. He followed me back home.
Define 2 dimensional?
Post edited December 26, 2015 by Elmofongo
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Atlantico: I went to see episode VII on opening night. It's a very forgettable movie.
Jar Jar Abrams
Yep and loooool
I despise Abrams as a director and think he goes for lame drama and over the top action over depth of character and meaning. I also hate what he did with Star Trek, though that could be a whole other thread. I am equally dis-pleased with what he did with Star Wars. The script of the new movie is shit but few seem to be able to see how half-assed put together it is, as if it's a messiah for 21st century hollywood, while it's in fact just quickly churned out to appease the drooling masses. One of the most legendary heroes in all of science fiction get's a death a lot more senseless than he should've had. It's also obviously about a "new" generation taking over; out with the old, in with the new, and the only way to make it "eviler" is by recycling the old with meaner baddies, more death, pointless lightsabers, and plots that are a laugh.

I would've much rather seen what Lucas had planned originally as a story, even if he didn't direct it .

The story is rehashed and unoriginal and clearly explains why Star Wars is going to be ground to death by Disney until it's only a shadow of it's former self.

Expect more Star Wars films than Marvels films, and don't expect quality of entertainment more than quantity.
Post edited December 26, 2015 by JinseiNGC224
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Emob78: TinyE, you're really letting us down here. Everyone knows that you have to abandon the entire internet for a few days if you wanna stay spoiler free on a movie, especially a Star Wars movie. This is internet 101 stuff. Don't be such a noob, brah.
Friggin' seriously.

Just got back from the theater, sayin' hello to the Internet again for the first time in days.

Hi again, everybody!
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Elmofongo: Define 2 dimensional?
A two dimensional character has no depth, lack of motivation, lack of passion, a lifeless figure, that at some point can even get cartoonish.

Although in terms of professional writing a 2d character does not mean necessarily a bad character, just a limited, static character that fullfills often just one purpose within a story build.

Found this nonprof def I agree upon in terms of fiction / film
"When you create a fictional character you have to work to make that character believable. You have to develop personality, appearance, behaviour pattern, and possibly a history to account for their actions. If you do not do this you create a "two dimensional" character; one that lacks depth, and consequently credibility. "

And in my own words

A credible villain for example has motivations you understand and can even follow up to a certain point. The theory behind it is that no individual is evil just for the sake of being evil.
But certain experiences can really alter any person, breaks their beliefs, can change them to the point that they abandon the behaviors that are accepted by the majority of society.
In theatre this is called:"a character is hardening on the inside"
In Return of the Jedi for example this hardening breaks up within Vader at the very end of the movie, with the effect that as a viewer I feel sympathy for this mass murderer, because I understand, I imagine that with the same experiences I could have made the same decisions as Vader, therefore I`m drawn into the story, the story grabs me on an emotional level. With the overall effect that I undergo the emotions (at least up to a certain point) of the characters I am presented, => I empathize <=

Which is really not the case in Jar Jar Abrams movies. Lol Jar jar Abrams.
Post edited December 26, 2015 by Mr. D™
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Mr. D™: A credible villain for example has motivations you understand and can even follow up to a certain point. The theory behind it is that no individual is evil just for the sake of being evil.
I questioned myself when I was watching SW7, if Kylo Ren can't control his emotions and acts as whiny child, how was he able to use force, which requires quite a discipline?
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Sarisio: which requires quite a discipline?
Since when? Luke and his dad had temper tantrums all the time.
Post edited December 26, 2015 by tinyE
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Mr. D™: A credible villain for example has motivations you understand and can even follow up to a certain point. The theory behind it is that no individual is evil just for the sake of being evil.
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Sarisio: I questioned myself when I was watching SW7, if Kylo Ren can't control his emotions and acts as whiny child, how was he able to use force, which requires quite a discipline?
Well control of emotions as far as I understood is part of the jedi training, the dark side is the opposite, no control at all.
But yeah good point, Mylo Pen or what`s his name appears much like an ADHD chiild aka stereotype. Thanks Abrams.
Funny that 500 years ago stories were more sophisticated, evolved and way better crafted than today, bitter lol (yeah I know generalisation, stuff, blah, duh)

Hey TinyE I found your donkey after the cinema, he followed me back home :D
Post edited December 26, 2015 by Mr. D™
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soxy_lady: mate aint you supposed t o b e the fucken big hardman

troll king some thing around here? and now your become

the forum nanny :P
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fortune_p_dawg: the way you said that, it was hard not imagining a high seas sailing pirate saying it. Lol
i am a pirate

and a gypsy!
Got back from it and it was alright... not a mindblowing experience but still rather entertaining. It started out great though, I liked the characters of Finn and Rey since they both had some potential to be even deeper characters that would grow on you. The return of Han Solo and Chewbacca was cool too, yeah referencing the past but it wasn't extremely forced like the previews made it out to be. Heck, even The First Order and Kylo Ren were interesting enough to see if anything about it was going to be played out. Then Ren removes his mask... and the movie kinda falls apart and just feels very bare bones and kinda underwhelming. The sequel hook with Luke was great and makes me interested in episode eight but overall, this one was just okay. It didn't have the multitude of issues the beginning of the prequel trilogy had but it was just lacking.
Post edited December 26, 2015 by SpooferJahk
This is what I will not stop recommend to all Star Wars fans

The despecialized Edition - Fan edit of 5 years of work that excludes all that CGI crap and script-fuckery (HAN SOLO SHOT FIRST!!!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXifjbxZDAM

Episode 1.1 - The Phantom Edit - You won`t believe it, but actually in this edit Jar Jar Abrams *cough* I mean Jar Jar Binks is NOT annoying. Quite an achievement IMHO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLACxMXBRhM

The people VS George Lucas - wonderful and funny documentary about George`s life and work, the Star Wars Phenomena in general and what went wrong with the Episodes I-III. Left me with a smile and that strange fluid in my eyes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE2x5Gmju2w

THX-1138 - Maybe even more influential than Star Wars on the film genre, way ahead its time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hLXOVCZr-8
Post edited December 26, 2015 by Mr. D™
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Mr. D™: HAN SOLO SHOT FIRST!!!
Like a true American, he shoots first, then - asks questions. XD
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Elmofongo: Define 2 dimensional?
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Mr. D™: A two dimensional character has no depth, lack of motivation, lack of passion, a lifeless figure, that at some point can even get cartoonish.

Although in terms of professional writing a 2d character does not mean necessarily a bad character, just a limited, static character that fullfills often just one purpose within a story build.

Found this nonprof def I agree upon in terms of fiction / film
"When you create a fictional character you have to work to make that character believable. You have to develop personality, appearance, behaviour pattern, and possibly a history to account for their actions. If you do not do this you create a "two dimensional" character; one that lacks depth, and consequently credibility. "

And in my own words

A credible villain for example has motivations you understand and can even follow up to a certain point. The theory behind it is that no individual is evil just for the sake of being evil.
But certain experiences can really alter any person, breaks their beliefs, can change them to the point that they abandon the behaviors that are accepted by the majority of society.
In theatre this is called:"a character is hardening on the inside"
In Return of the Jedi for example this hardening breaks up within Vader at the very end of the movie, with the effect that as a viewer I feel sympathy for this mass murderer, because I understand, I imagine that with the same experiences I could have made the same decisions as Vader, therefore I`m drawn into the story, the story grabs me on an emotional level. With the overall effect that I undergo the emotions (at least up to a certain point) of the characters I am presented, => I empathize <=

Which is really not the case in Jar Jar Abrams movies. Lol Jar jar Abrams.
That is a One-Dimensional charater. not Two.
Jar Jar Abrams LOL. So true.