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PookaMustard: before you went "let's go with Joe for the heck of it."
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ZFR: What? I never said that.

Let's NOT go with Joe. For the heck of it or otherwise.

As Lift noted my YES vote is just a joke.

And I like how Joe doesn't give up. So let's give him an incentive to try his darnest best.

Come on Joe, you still stand a chance. Me, you. Your three buddies. All you need is to convince 1 more person that I'm scum. Can you do it?
Interesting challenge and yes, lulz are important. But don't forget, if Joe succeeds and becomes President, he will kill one of us. Because he will pass an F and, as the president, will get the kill power. He might kill me, but you would also be giving him the power to prevent your government by just killing you. That would throw all the plans how to ensure that last L policy off track.
Joe do you fancy nominating? If you nominate me I'd consider voting for us. Or is this bad? I'd be voting for someone I think is probably Scum in the outside chance they're not because if they are I know I can pass Liberal policy. And if he turns out to be Scum we're at 4-4. So I think I'd probably even vote against my own government if it was alongside Joe as we can't afford to lose any more L cards at this stage.

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ZFR: Eh, screw it. I'm voting Yes for Joe. lulz are important.
It will raise doubts in my mind at least if you go through with this.
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supplementscene: So if LLL did happen would that mean we'd lose the game simply due to very unlikely odds? Or would a reshuffle solve it?
No. At 5F you have Veto power, so long as you have two Liberals you could always avoid the 6th F. Due to odds you could be forced to place up to 5 F's though.

Also depends where in the game it is. With right now, if LLL was drawn, then 2 F's are forced. Refusing government could add a F without triggering the effect (of shooting someone) but as the cards evenly divide it means there won't be a use of re-shuffling to improve odds. If you repeatedly just let luck of the draw happen, Fascist would likely win due to sheer odds in their favor.
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ZFR: What? I never said that.

Let's NOT go with Joe. For the heck of it or otherwise.

As Lift noted my YES vote is just a joke.

And I like how Joe doesn't give up. So let's give him an incentive to try his darnest best.

Come on Joe, you still stand a chance. Me, you. Your three buddies. All you need is to convince 1 more person that I'm scum. Can you do it?
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Lifthrasil: Interesting challenge and yes, lulz are important. But don't forget, if Joe succeeds and becomes President, he will kill one of us. Because he will pass an F and, as the president, will get the kill power. He might kill me, but you would also be giving him the power to prevent your government by just killing you. That would throw all the plans how to ensure that last L policy off track.
You cant have lulz without risks. Thats what makes them fun.
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ZFR: What? I never said that.

Let's NOT go with Joe. For the heck of it or otherwise.

As Lift noted my YES vote is just a joke.

And I like how Joe doesn't give up. So let's give him an incentive to try his darnest best.

Come on Joe, you still stand a chance. Me, you. Your three buddies. All you need is to convince 1 more person that I'm scum. Can you do it?
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Lifthrasil: Interesting challenge and yes, lulz are important. But don't forget, if Joe succeeds and becomes President, he will kill one of us. Because he will pass an F and, as the president, will get the kill power. He might kill me, but you would also be giving him the power to prevent your government by just killing you. That would throw all the plans how to ensure that last L policy off track.
This is fascinating...

So...

hum.


I'm of the opinion that pooka is hitler. But that's only because it seems like ZFR's leading up to a pooka nomination and I believe ZFR's fascist, but, and a can't believe I'm still doing it, but I'm thinking ZFR might be liberal.

So the fasists are either:
Lifthrasil
ZFR
rtcvb
pooka

OR

Lifthrasil
rtcvb
...
...

And in the second option I'm not that confident in rtcvb. And there is the chance that ZFR's said he wants to nominate pooka now, but is going to have a different reason why to vote hitler later.

But, that's all I've got. SO, I'm going to nominate someone out of
Trentonlf
SirPrimalform
Blotunga
Supplementscene
Flubbucket

In order of least-to-most hitlery I'd say

flubbucket
blotunga
sirP
supplementscene
trentonlf

Something tells me no-one's going to think flub's a good idea for chancellor...


So: thoughts please.

Can I put it to a majority vote, with the stipulation that you can't vote for yourself (which would effectively remove the five players here from the voting pool and give the fascists greater control of the vote)?


please point out any flaws in my thinking.

And here comes the dread....
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JoeSapphire: please point out the flaw...
You're fascist.

But you *are* trying your darnest best.

Blind YES on whomever you choose, but Im not making your job easier by helping you.
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JoeSapphire: In order of least-to-most hitlery I'd say

flubbucket
blotunga
sirP
supplementscene
trentonlf

So: thoughts please.....
Don't you think Hitler might lurk and not post much in order to not draw attention to himself? Remember Hitler is someone who can't get into confrontation with others. Because SirP and Flub have barely posted.....SirP didn't want to be President, which is quite Hitlery, although I always wonder if you go on SirP's PC to see his alignment.....but yes it's almost like he's not playing.

I think Trent is least 'Hitlery' out of those after myself. That kind of doesn't matter if you're Fascist and block the L card ofcourse.

Anyway I know you're being sort of democratic, within your own set parameters and I do wonder if you've picked out all the Liberal players bar ZFR in order to smear one of us. But can you pick today because after everything that's come to light I can't see you getting elected anyway and it'll just drag on before we get another government in power.

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supplementscene: So if LLL did happen would that mean we'd lose the game simply due to very unlikely odds? Or would a reshuffle solve it?
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rtcvb32: No. At 5F you have Veto power, so long as you have two Liberals you could always avoid the 6th F. Due to odds you could be forced to place up to 5 F's though.

Also depends where in the game it is. With right now, if LLL was drawn, then 2 F's are forced. Refusing government could add a F without triggering the effect (of shooting someone) but as the cards evenly divide it means there won't be a use of re-shuffling to improve odds. If you repeatedly just let luck of the draw happen, Fascist would likely win due to sheer odds in their favor.
How does the Veto power work? I thought that was picking the next government? Is it picking a policy without using the cards?
How does the Veto power work? I thought that was picking the next government? Is it picking a policy without using the cards?
Veto power. With 5F's down the government can veto the next policy simply not putting anything into effect (but the tracker does progress).

So... if you draw FFF you pass FF. The chancellor says 'i want to veto this agenda', if the president agrees, it's vetoed. That's it.
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ZFR: You're fascist.
Why are you so sure?

Before I let lifthrasil get to me and flipped out about how you're leading everybody to their doom you were all "either lifthrasil will expose himself by passing F, or he'll be forced to pass L to maintain his position." Now it's "there's no lifthrasil would pass an L if he were fascist." And I suppose an unspoken "There's no reason Joe would ever not trust me if he were liberal."

Are you so comfortable with being publicly titled "suckiest bloke on gog" that you won't concede even a small possibilty?


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supplementscene: I do wonder if you've picked out all the Liberal players bar ZFR in order to smear one of us.
as if I can smear anybody with my reputation.

why I trust SirP - I agree with ZFR, I think if he had a fascist role, and especially the hitler role, he'd be more pressured into participating for his team. Or at least more apologetic about his beyond-lurkering.


But you're right. I should just get this over with quickly. No-one's going to think I'll do anything other than pass an F, and nobody's going to trust me with the execution power are they? This is a cruel idea ZFR.



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rtcvb32:
while you're here will you pick your favourite out of flub, blotunga, sirP, supplementscene, trentonlf?
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JoeSapphire: while you're here will you pick your favourite out of flub, blotunga, sirP, supplementscene, trentonlf?
Favorite? Got none.

Though if i were to vote yes/no, defaulting to my previous strategy I'd vote yes for SirPrimalform and Trentonlf.
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rtcvb32: Though if i were to vote yes/no, defaulting to my previous strategy I'd vote yes for SirPrimalform and Trentonlf.
What is your previous strategy, sorry? I might have skimmed you explaining it.


What are your thoughts on the current standing of the game? Who do you think the fascits are?
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JoeSapphire: What is your previous strategy, sorry? I might have skimmed you explaining it.
It was a ways back.

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rtcvb32: As such I intend to vote yes for the next two governments, once the deck is reshuffled i'll vote no for anyone combination that hasn't been in government to this point (ZFR, JoeSapphire, trentolf and Lifthrasil, SirPrimalform). If they pass a F at that point i will have high suspicions and will vote no on that specific president/chancellor combo but may vote again with someone else as their partner(s)
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JoeSapphire: What are your thoughts on the current standing of the game? Who do you think the fascits are?
I think my ability to focus for long periods of time in PBP games is lacking. I don't really trust Blot/Flub, beyond that no clue.
@joe just nominate anyone and let us get on with the vote.
@Joe: for me it doesn't matter whom you nominate. I will vote NO either way.

@all: what I said to ZFR is something to keep in mind for all of you. If Joe gets voted into office, he will get to kill someone.

Of course with a 50% chance of drawing FFF, it might also happen that ZFR has to pass FF on the next government and then he'll be the one having to kill. But I'm much more comfortable with ZFR having that power, than I am with handing that power to a confirmed Fascist. (Confirmed for me, at least, since I got the read)

So I urge you all to stick to the plan to cycle back to ZFR. I see no reason for Liberals to do otherwise.
Yeah, I'm going to vote no even if you nominate me Joe so I'm not sure it matters who you nominate.