Well... it's the votes basically that I find usually help. In this case not so much as everyone voting yes gives the fascists lots of cover. And hej, it's working. I can't argue with 3-0.

But one can try. Case in point: I take it from your logic and votes so far that you voted Yes then?

I haven't seen any reason to vote no so far. I will vote no as soon as I suspect one of the two from the government is fascist. So far I haven't seen any real evidence for that though (that is also why I would've wished scene to five FL to RWarehall, to have a further idea when his presidency is due).

Hey, thanks for finding me interesting XD

Can you blame me though, for being suspicious to ZFR?

Let's put this into picture. He vote no for his nomination because of lack of discussion (at least that's what I get from him), and then pull the exact same stunt by nominating without discussion.

Now I understand his candidate has good track record, and I really don't have any problem with his chosen candidate, but given our position with 3L - 0F, I tend to think fascist best strategy for now is to make liberals lax and think things will go their way, so they can pull the strings behind the curtain. Picking "trusted" candidate and "try rushing" the election looks to me as an effort to create "comfort" among liberals and lower their guards.

Of course, I might be wrong. And it's up to you to decide which one do you think is trustworthy.

Let's talk fascist tactics. They need a fascist president in office pretty quick so:

A) Pass fascist policy
B) Incriminate liberals either by lying about the cards they passed or lying about fascist policy investigations.

Thank you for your analysis. Of the three 'lurker, might be scum' candidates I am actually a bit suspicious of kusu. He seems too easily triggered, as if he has something to hide. It might be, that it's just his play-style to react negatively to being suspected but it feels as if he reacts negatively to being suspected because that suspicion is true. So for now I put him tentatively in the 'leaning scum' pool.

Christi and blotunga I don't have any read on. I'm quite sure about greek and Scene looks liberal too. Im quite confident that he isn't a regular fascist. But he might be a well played Hitler.

ZFR writes a lot useful stuff just like you do, but he might do exactly that as Fascist. For now I would be inclined to trust him. But I don't feel comfortable trusting dedo. There it is nothing concrete, he just feels different from previous Mafiagames. So it's pure gut feeling that might be due to this not being Mafia but a different game. Still, I probably will vote NO to a dedo-headed government.

But that in turn means, that I will have to vote Yes on a RW-headed government anyhow and I see him on a level with ZFR. I.e. seems to be trying to be helpful, but there was nothing to be sure about him yet. Still, I'd trust him over dedo or cristi, who would be the other choices after ZFR was voted into office.

So, assuming it goes how I would vote, RW is going to get a government anyhow. So we might just as well jump ahead to him. My strategic proposition: let's skip to RW, then Brasas, then cycle back to greeklover. In this way we get at most 2F before greek comes into office again with a fresh deck of policies, giving us a good chance that he'll pass an L. After that we skip kusu again and Scene hopefully gets to pass the 5th L.

This means I vote NO on this government. Sorry, ZFR, but I think it's currently the best strategy.

Do you feel ZFR and Scene are liberals barking at the wrong tree? I guess it's possible but something tells me they aren't and one is a fascist. There is also the chance of having a 2F pulling an extremely brazen play to throw us off but I honestly don't see how that would work among players who don't have prior preparation. I'm inclined to believe neither of them is Hitler, though. I'm still unsure on how to vote on this (incidentally I forgot to share my original decision with zeo so I haven't cast a vote yet).


People I'm more concerned of are Cristi, blotunga and RW. Each time I remember she is in the game I have the urge to go "Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?". The only thing that keeps me of straight up accusing her of lurking is that I know she usually starts slow but they picks up speed and at the moment the second is yet to happen. She isn't just keeping quite but seems to be non-present entirely so there might be some RL stuff that is holding her back, so until she makes an appearance I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.


Blotunga is making me feel a bit uneasy but (and I don't mean to offend you @blotunga, I'm just being honest) so far it feels like he doesn't really know what he is doing and how to try and take part properly, so his passiveness is not automatically alignment-indicative.


RW is a cunning bastard who can't be trusted until concrete evidence suggest otherwise. This isn't meant as an isult, all of it is said with a great amount of respect for the man since I've played with him quite a few times and he's proven to be extremely capable of pulling great plays ass either alignment. One of the latest occurrences I remember is where he stepped in for another player in the late-game and managed to fool everyone so good in a couple of posts which straight up won his scum team the game.
With all that said, I have nothing condemning against RW in this particular game, I'm just not trusting him on principle until I have a solid reason to do so. Sorry, RW - once bitten, twice shy.


Brasas is another such example - I don't think I've played with him but there is something I can't put my finger on about him that is tingling my spidey-sense. It reminds me of the back and forth I've had with Bler in previous mafia games - it almost always feels off and almost always I'm wrong. Now that he seems to be backing me up I'm even more uneasy since I'm afraid I'm the one who is being buddied but let's see how that goes.


I'm not sure what I think about kusu. Somehow I gave him a free pass after his term and kind of stopped paying attention to him. I see some people are taking interest in him so I probably need to start doing the same.


greek and Lift are OK in my book at the moment.

I agree with this plan.

Yes. I agrwee. If not md then RWarehall.

Let me put it this way, I've seen enough uninformed town going at each other in the past that it's a definite possibility. And I've seen enough other uninformed town react with "one of them must be a wolf".

So I try to look at both sides. Can a liberal mistrust or have a differing opinion? Yes. Can a fascist be pushing to create confusion? Yes. The fact it can be either makes it NAI (not alignment indicative).

Might a fascist be trying to capitalize on a liberal on liberal fight to pass shade? Yes. Might a liberal jump to the conclusion that "one of them might be a wolf"? Yes. The same kinda applies to you too.

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The way I deal with it is to try to shut out the noise and look at "actions". Scene has been part of 2 liberal voting governments. I acknowledge that the first was early and a fascist might not want to reveal themselves so early. And the 2nd he seemingly had no choice. But all-in-all his actions speak louder than the "what-ifs" of fascist possibilities.

I look at ZFR and while there is a healthy dose of what could be either devil's advocate liberalism or subtle fascist passing of shade, I notice that a few times he has brought up very important points such as his explanation of why a fascist would be passing 2L to a liberal instead of 1L1F. All-in-all I seem more positive.

Now I look at you Dedo. I can look at what might be a fascist passing shade of both of them, but then I look at the fact you seemed very ready to vote in favour of ZFR's government at first. You've made other posts that have struck me a "interesting". But what I see in this current discussion looks enough like natural changing of one's mind and not so much fascists trying to push an angle. I'm less certain because changing votes and opinions are "soft actions" but again, in trying to get to the bottom of it, all three of you could very reasonably be liberals. Or there could be a fascist or two in there. At the end of the day, I don't see a clear pattern to distrust.

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As to who is a fascist? I kinda suspect Kusu. Cristi is quite quiet this game. She has been quiet before in mafia games too as town when she's been busy, so it's not as clear cut, but I might slight lean her as fascist as i'd expect a little more contribution from her. I don't quite know what to make of Brasas and Dedo. I don't know that I suspect either of them specifically but I keep oscillating back and forth. They both rub me wrong at times and then I change my mind from other things they say. Blotunga I just don't have much opinion on.

The thing is I'm very confident now in Greek and Lift, I know I'm liberal and if I throw Scene and ZFR in the (6L + 1H pool), that still leaves 2 of the above 5 as liberal (or Hitler). And if I'm wrong about either ZFR or Scene, that means 3 of the rest.

The tricky part is who to trust in the Cristi/Brasas/Blotunga stretch to get back to Greek.

I am not worried at all. In the second round after the shuffle, we can just cycle the governments of me-Lift and Scene-you and if the deck doesn't screw us, the game will be over by the time we must elect another president.

Mods updated the "voted" post on the first page but didn't announce formally the nomination, this is why I and probably the rest didn't send a vote. Sending vote now anyway.

I don't like people proposing "sure fire" method to win this game. I mentioned earlier how Fascist wants Liberals to lower their guard. Also, while it looks like a safer bet, it is still a bet. But I admit, Lift strategy looks good, so I'll take a closer look to how it will roll and vote according to situation.

So with this I just want to remind you all, Please be warned that the proposed method to win might also be a trap by fascist, so please calculate the risk and vote wisely

Now my question is, who are we going to pick as the next 2 Chancellors? A totally new person, or a tested one? Given the probability of electing at least 1F policy (I'm predicting the next two would be both 2F policies), should we risk creating doubt for a safe bet if he's unlucky to be given 2F cards, or should we use this chance to test the water with new people?

I think that part seems pretty obvious.

Scene goes now as the only eligible player who has been tested at all.
Then Greek goes next as the most confirmed.
This allows Greek to chose the most liberal player when he becomes president.