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Posted April 07, 2018
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supplementscene: ZFR is also stating a fascist Chancellor would pick a liberal policy, which I wouldn't if I was a Fascist. Because The Fascist wins twice if he passes a Fascist policy. Winning the game is all about so should try to get them past at every opportunity.
Seriously?
You see no reason why a fascist would enact a liberal policy to throw good light on himself?

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supplementscene: Because if he was Fascist his best policy would be to lie and state I had 2 Liberal policies, losing some trust in myself.
Seriously???????
A liberal policy has been passed and, let me get this straight, you think if the president was fascist his best policy would be to lie about the cards he passed to you? How on earth? He gains nothing, liberal policy is passed already, and he the only thing he achieves by lying is exposing himself to you and drawing attention to himself.

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I'm not saying you or greek are fascists, I'm just drawing everyone's attention to the possibilites. 4 people did draw the fascist card, and if zeo's draw is random then everyone has same chance as anyone else. As far as I'm concerned everyone is a possible fascist until his actions prove otherwise.

I... I just can't believe anyone can be such a bad fascist player as you made yourself to hypothetically be. "If I was a fascist I would..." followed by bad fascist advice. That, and your "ignorance" of the rule that fascists know each others strike me extremely LAMISL.

(and now because of what you wrote I have a small gut feeling against Lift too...)

However... the fact that both of you now defended each other indicates to me that either one (or both) of you must liberal. If you were both fascists you'd be distancing yourself from each other.
Posted April 07, 2018
Ok. Just my two cents about what we know for sure and what not:

We know, that Scene was given a liberal and a fascist policy and enacted the liberal one. That is a liberal move. So he probably is Liberal - or Hitler.

greek said, that he drew 2F and 1L. I tend to believe that since it is the most likely combination to draw initially, but we don't know it for sure. He might be fascist and have drawn 2L and 1F and so had no choice but to pass 1L along.

So, we don't know any alignment for sure yet, but I would say that Scene has a very high probability to be liberal and greek probably is liberal too, but with a lower degree of certainty.

@supplement (and others): the Fascists know who Hitler is, so they don't need to find Hitler. Hitler, however, doesn't know who the Fascists are. But keep in mind that the Fascists win if Hitler is made Chancellor after 3 fascist policies are on the board. So Hitler will try to appear as liberal as possible and to establish himself as good Chancellor material.
Posted April 07, 2018
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"both of you" in my last paragraph 2 posts above, referred to greek and scene. I was curious to see how they would react to each other after the vote has passed. They did not try to distance themselves, which I'm thinking might indicate that both are not fascists.
Posted April 07, 2018
EDIT EDIT:
And "both are not fascists" mean not(both are fascits).

i.e. at least one is a liberal.
Posted April 07, 2018
Just so y'all know, the OP has been updated with a picture of what the current fascist/liberal board looks like, and I intend to keep it updated with such.
Posted April 07, 2018
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ZFR: 4 people did draw the fascist card, and if zeo's draw is random then everyone has same chance as anyone else.
Wut? Up until now I thought there were 3 fascists including Hitler for whatever reason :D

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supplementscene: For me Lifthrasil is the best bet for a Liberal Chancellor, but do we have a Liberal President?
I'm inclined to agree with this at this point.
Posted April 07, 2018
Damn, politics. I feel like I'm entering wrong neighborhoods here, and suddenly a President?

Looks like there's no conclusion to be drawn from first round, and I'm still not sure who to choose as Chancellor.

A Bishop sounds like a safe bet for a liberal. So I nominate Bishop Bling (ZFR) as Chancellor
Posted April 07, 2018
CURRENT PROPOSED GOVERNMENT
President: Boss Kusu (kusumahendra)
Chancellor: Bishop Bling (ZFR)

Please PM me your yes/no votes on whether you wish for this setup or not, if you haven't done so already. There must be a majority "yes" for this to pass. Once again, the future, if you're the president and officially choosing your chancellor, please make the announcement in bold so that it's clear to everyone what's happening.

https://i.imgur.com/8neRaW6.jpg
Post edited April 07, 2018 by zeogold
Posted April 07, 2018
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kusumahendra: Damn, politics. I feel like I'm entering wrong neighborhoods here, and suddenly a President?

Looks like there's no conclusion to be drawn from first round, and I'm still not sure who to choose as Chancellor.

A Bishop sounds like a safe bet for a liberal. So I nominate Bishop Bling (ZFR) as Chancellor
I'd like a bit more of an explanation on why you chose ZFR as chancellor. It can't merely be because his name says Bishop, can it?
Posted April 07, 2018
OK, mixed feelings here...

On the one hand, I'd prefer someone else gets chosen since other people voting gives me much more info. And I'm not sure this isn't a trap meant to get a fascist vote and set me up as the scapegoat in the process.

On the other, if kusumahendra is legit, this is a good chance to get a second liberal vote.

Tentative NO, until I kusu gives an explanation on why he voted me...
Posted April 07, 2018
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Lifthrasil: We know, that Scene was given a liberal and a fascist policy and enacted the liberal one. That is a liberal move. So he probably is Liberal - or Hitler.
Do you think a Fascist would enact a Fascist policy on the first play?
Posted April 07, 2018
At this point, I got a feeling that the best strategy for liberals to win is to enact 2nd liberal policy and push fascist to play aggressively, thus risking to uncover their natute

I look at how people present their opinions and to me ZFR looks most likely a liberal. It's not a 100% sure, but he sounds like a better choice than the rest to me, considering I know next to nothing about everyone here.
Posted April 07, 2018
Voted.

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dedoporno: would you keep doing it if 2 governments fail in a row?
No, because the 3rd fail is likely to bring fascist policy and avoiding that is a good reason to pass the Gov.
So the 3rd government vote will very likely become an automatic Yes from me.
This approach makes the player order at the table matter...

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Lifthrasil: We know, that Scene was given a liberal and a fascist policy ... snip
Why is it impossible that Scene got 2 L?
Posted April 07, 2018
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supplementscene: ZFR is also stating a fascist Chancellor would pick a liberal policy, which I wouldn't if I was a Fascist. Because The Fascist wins twice if he passes a Fascist policy. Winning the game is all about so should try to get them past at every opportunity.
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ZFR: Seriously?
You see no reason why a fascist would enact a liberal policy to throw good light on himself?

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supplementscene: Because if he was Fascist his best policy would be to lie and state I had 2 Liberal policies, losing some trust in myself.
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ZFR: Seriously???????
A liberal policy has been passed and, let me get this straight, you think if the president was fascist his best policy would be to lie about the cards he passed to you? How on earth? He gains nothing, liberal policy is passed already, and he the only thing he achieves by lying is exposing himself to you and drawing attention to himself.

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I'm not saying you or greek are fascists, I'm just drawing everyone's attention to the possibilites. 4 people did draw the fascist card, and if zeo's draw is random then everyone has same chance as anyone else. As far as I'm concerned everyone is a possible fascist until his actions prove otherwise.

I... I just can't believe anyone can be such a bad fascist player as you made yourself to hypothetically be. "If I was a fascist I would..." followed by bad fascist advice. That, and your "ignorance" of the rule that fascists know each others strike me extremely LAMISL.

(and now because of what you wrote I have a small gut feeling against Lift too...)

However... the fact that both of you now defended each other indicates to me that either one (or both) of you must liberal. If you were both fascists you'd be distancing yourself from each other.
Appologies my accusations against yourself and dedoporno was made on 2 unsound premises that 1. The Greek/Mr Scene could never be Chancellor again. If that was the case (it is not) outing yourself wouldn't be an issue with being 'outed'. And that 2. No one knows what anyone else is and ofcourse Fascists in fact do.

If the rules were how I perceived them my fascist tactics would make sense and I still think they do somewhat because ultimately it's about getting policies passed
Posted April 07, 2018
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ZFR: Just out of curiosity, what is it? You play mafia a lot and always vote not?
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Brasas: I like data, and the more votes the better. For each policy vote we get 3 attempts at forming a government which could be 3 votes.
I don't play Mafia like this, but Resistance yes; I almost always vote No until I have some reason to do otherwise.
Do you see any (strategic) difference between Resistance and this as far as the voting goes?


Brasas's first vote is consistent with what I remember from the Resistance game. I think he'd stick with that regardless of alignment.
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