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gurufabbes: I don't believe in punishing people for the actions of their government.

This is wrong.
I can appreciate your feelings, however historically nothing changes unless sanctions and boycotts have teeth. If there are fewer people gaming in Russia, perhaps more of them will be moved to work against the current government and change it. South Africa didn't end apartheid until the world forced their hand.
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gurufabbes: I don't believe in punishing people for the actions of their government.

This is wrong.
So say it's 1939 and Hitler is invading Poland, would you then say "We shouldn't punish the German people for the actions of their government". Come on dude, that is a cowardly position to take. A nation is being invaded unprovoked, it's cities are being burned and tanks are rolling down it's roads, to take a neutral stand when outright evil is taking place is pure cowardice. Russia might be a dictatorship but it's not disconnected from it's own people, and Putin has quite a large amount of popular support. Maybe Russians need to have a look at their own decisions and why they just continue to fall back on Czar type figures who lead them to ruin. Acting like Russian people are innocent in this is extremely naive.
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Hi KetobaK,

It seems it is you -liver- talking and nothing else.

It hurts and is not tactful to say it but, It is THEIR war as it is THEIR country the aggresor:
-Where is social responsibility for everyone's own nations then?
-Was your government elected by magic? Royal lineage? Divine choosen ones you must pay blind faith? They were elected and are supported by their own people!{*1}
-When -YOUR- government screw it up all the way: What do you & your people do? Implicitly support them by omission keeping silence and following their orders? Protest? Pray? Ignore? Denial (aka Swallow their invented alternative realities were everything is fine & smooth{*2})?... Again, social responsibility for everyone's own nations.


Now, An adjacent and very relevant topic: Are the WHOLE Russian population enemies? ABSOLUTELY NO!
I do not pay attention to the "From" tag (I do not care), I speak my feeling/opinion in general: I say people here is kind, nice, and very generous{*3}: It is very difficult to find in real life (even the internet itself) people donating to strangers without any hidden interests but just for the sake to share; I do not find a better example demonstrating how great --all this people is--!!


I suggest, let's GOG do what they consider it is their best interest(*4) to their business and let's we focus on stay together and help the way we can do: Support civilians in trouble (despite their nationality!):
-A member cannot buy a game? Let's do it ourselves and send the gift code.
-And so on...

I consider the most challenging task we have, as people outside the war zone, it is to keep calm, use a scalpel instead of an axe to decide our actions and respect the others instead of attack.
If our stupid governments cannot solve problems by communication, we must!
Together we'll always can find much better solutions that those coming from just 1 sick brain.

Please keep safe and strong and let's take the test of doing well. Small or large scale, public or in private... it is time to help each other. Peace




{*1} Granted, If you want to discuss cleanness of those ,,democratic,, processes, well... it is a -public secret they are NOT anywhere- but we would be moving to a more fair and constructive discussion: ALL of us can criticize and provide huge proof those processes are anything but clean, fair and representative of the common interests. And that is the stronger cohesive we civilians regular ordinary people around the world have and that is the very basic reason why censorship about politics exists. Just think about it.

{*2} My country is suffering that to the point our president openly lies without any remorse nor shame nor any action to improve/solve the real problems. And is not alien to yours or many other countries, I can surely bet. It is a ,,f*cking trendy thing,,

{*3} And curiously take note I am one of the several under the downvoting trolls fire.
Their reasons to ,,express,, their silent & coward hate, NOT MINE.

{*4} someone pointed out how the ,,GOG stand,, could be just a derivated action by the EU SWIFT blockade: How GOG could make business even if they wanted anyway? LOL
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KetobaK: My previous thread was censored.
I stood up for our Russian Users friend, those who take part in the forum for years, people that help many other users and always were kind with everybody. Think is not fair to punish them because the simple fact that this users are not part of the war, they are just splitting our community for not reason, that excuse that taxes revenue will go to war is not true, after SWIFT Bank restrictions most users couldn't purchase games anyway, so what is the point of divide our community? Of discriminate users that were part of this community for years? Let's not make GOG Community part of the war!
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TheNamelessOne_PL: Disagreed. Their country has been invading other countries for centuries. They hardly deserve pity.
If we will talk about centuries your country came to us along time ago not as a friends. Man please could you live in our time - many russians didnt want this war. But i can understand CDPR. When their games will return - i will buy it and support this studio. Stay safe friends.
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As a Russian and a big fan of games I'm very angry of this new game politic. But I'm here to make things clear. In Russia we don't choose president. His followers make only illusion of the ellections for western countries, but for real we didn't choose current president. We don't want war and we don't need war with our brothers and sisters in Ukraine. So every company, that makes such poor decisions like CDPR leaves me heartbroken cause we, simple people, simple gamers, don't deservev all this.
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KetobaK: Well, it's really lonely to be you, but I will stand, discriminating in the 21th century is a really fuck it up thing. After all this years I interacted with several Russian users and many of them help me with problems I had in more than one occasion, GOG Community and forum is not a political or war territory, so I won't tolerate this kind of things.
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amok: it is not descrimination if i threat everyone the same
They are not treating everyone equally, they specifically did to one country and and one race, that is really bad, is separating a community and bring war to the forum. We are here because we like to play games that is something we have in common and that is the important, nor war conflict. leave that for social media.
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Israel has attacked Syria AGAIN.

The United States Of America have attacked Somalia AGAIN.

Guess which country was sanctioned? Russia.
Post edited March 03, 2022 by Wishmaster777
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CitizenOfEarth: Gog team, let me give you one example:
"China has been accused of committing crimes against humanity and possibly genocide against the Uyghur population and other mostly-Muslim ethnic groups in the north-western region of Xinjiang."

So, why are you still selling games in Сhina?
Do you really think separating people with stupid restrictions(halt all sales in Russia and Belarus) is a good idea?
Do you really believe that all Russians and Belarusians want war?
Now you just hold on there, buddy. The upcoming Chinese gaming market is big business. You'd better watch yourself otherwise you may get censored.

Trust science not your common sense!
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LiefLayer: Sorry but your putin has chosen to go to war with the whole world. I'm not surprised the world isolate you.
If you change president and stop war then you will be part of the community again.
I mean he has only invaded Ukraine so far to stop the equivalent of Russian troops lining the Mexico border but ok sure.
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LiefLayer: Sorry but your putin has chosen to go to war with the whole world. I'm not surprised the world isolate you.
If you change president and stop war then you will be part of the community again.
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glitchyjoe64: I mean he has only invaded Ukraine so far to stop the equivalent of Russian troops lining the Mexico border but ok sure.
So? Sovereign nations are allowed to do what they like. If Ukraine wants to join NATO or th EU that's there business, Russia has no business interferring.
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amok: it is not descrimination if i threat everyone the same
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KetobaK: They are not treating everyone equally, they specifically did to one country and and one race, that is really bad, is separating a community and bring war to the forum. We are here because we like to play games that is something we have in common and that is the important, nor war conflict. leave that for social media.
i am only speaking for myself, you know, as the member of this comunity which consists of me
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KetobaK: Don't worry, they cannot legally ban me, the other thread was arbitrary closed, I wasn't talking about any political statement, harassed, insult or discriminated anybody in that thread and neither does in this one. Just defend Ruasian Users from discrimination, in that case GOG should ban GOG itself XD
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LiefLayer: Why don't you stand for Ukrainians people who are being invaded? Sorry but a temporary inability to buy new games on gog is nothing in comparison to the bombs that fall on the Ukrainians.
True discrimination is what happens in reality.
Instead of complaining to gog, the russians should unite against that crazy putin for peace.

PS. Usually I'm not for punishing people for actions of their government but here the alternative is a WWIII and that's not joke at all so russians should really act. There is no time to lose.
I care for Ukranian users too, I'm not in favor of this war or any war, but this is a gaming forum, not a politics one, I care for the users we are losing, being discriminated, this should nor be a place for war and politics where everyone can talk and be friends not caring about their country, religion, sexuality, politics, etc.
The forum should be a place to interact, share, discuss about games, not point with the finger to other. What GOG is doing is against it's own rules and just splitting the community, putting some users against other as if they are the ones to blame for what is happening, civilians are innocents and they are struggling for this war too.
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glitchyjoe64: I mean he has only invaded Ukraine so far to stop the equivalent of Russian troops lining the Mexico border but ok sure.
they reported the war in Europe and the risk of a new world and nuclear war is now a concrete eventuality (until a month ago the third world war seemed like a frenzy of some crazy people).
I wanted to live my life quietly in peace, perhaps even stopping working before actually retiring ... the risk is that in a few months / years I will be sent to die in a destructive war or that a nuclear bomb will hit where I live or not so far away destroying everything I have built.
Right now I don't see the Ukraine invasion as "only invaded Ukraine"... not just that, I don't think this war is limited to Ukraine at all... there was no reason to invade a free country... there was no reason to start a war after they already got Crimea and Donbass. putin want to start a WW3, it will not stop in Ukraine.
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Will all Russian and Belarussian developed and/or published games now be at risk of getting removed from sale here?
Post edited March 03, 2022 by Themken
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It's a low blow to punish citizens for actions which are beyond their control.
Post edited March 03, 2022 by UnrealDelusion