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Linko64: Given I worked there and spent a fair chunk of my days often trying to figure out how to stop troll reviews, even getting flak from OneAngryGamer and some subb reddits, i think I do mate.
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phaolo: Do you mean you're the real Linko and not just some troll impersonating him to spite him?
*looks at Registered date*


;)
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phaolo: Do you mean you're the real Linko and not just some troll impersonating him to spite him?
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Linko64: *looks at Registered date* ;)
Eh, one can never be sure, there are plenty of ancient account owned by bad entities. They can also be renamed I think.
Also, if you try searching your username in chat you'll find results like "Linko","Linko5","Linko9",etc (no way to check the dates).
Can you still log in to Discord with the old account? Or somewhere else "official"? Or make a blue confirm?
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Linko64: *looks at Registered date* ;)
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phaolo: Eh, one can never be sure, there are plenty of ancient account owned by bad entities. They can also be renamed I think.
Also, if you try searching your username in chat you'll find results like "Linko","Linko5","Linko9",etc (no way to check the dates).
Can you still log in to Discord with the old account? Or somewhere else "official"? Or make a blue confirm?
You can't a staff member confirm haha, this isn't a passport interview :P
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falloutttt: An account must have bought at least a "number of games" to have the right to post a review
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Crisco1492: Maybe one game [must have been bought] to post on the forums as well.
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Linko64: It's really not as simple as just deleting them and moving on. If users want to review bomb, they're going to do it, with multiple accounts. Ask anyone who remembers Le-Peroux (?) and the anime-like games.
Sorry, but you clearly missed something.
Sure, multiple accounts don't cost you anything but some time - as long as there are no additional requirements to post (either in the forums or in the review section).

But that was exactly the point of "falloutttt's and Crisco1492's posts:

If every account has to buy (not getting them as gifts!) a certain number of games first to be allowed to post in the forums or write reviews - it would definitely bring the numbers of troll posts/troll reviews down.

Would it bring those posts/reviews to total extinction? No, of course not - but it would definitely weed a lot of crap out.
Speaking of review bombing, Captain Marvel seems to be unpopular.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4154664/
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Linko64: It's really not as simple as just deleting them and moving on. If users want to review bomb, they're going to do it, with multiple accounts. Ask anyone who remembers Le-Peroux (?) and the anime-like games.
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BreOl72: Sorry, but you clearly missed something.
Sure, multiple accounts don't cost you anything but some time - as long as there are no additional requirements to post (either in the forums or in the review section).

But that was exactly the point of "falloutttt's and Crisco1492's posts:

If every account has to buy (not getting them as gifts!) a certain number of games first to be allowed to post in the forums or write reviews - it would definitely bring the numbers of troll posts/troll reviews down.

Would it bring those posts/reviews to total extinction? No, of course not - but it would definitely weed a lot of crap out.
You're still gating off the forums and would be users/customers, trolls are easily dealt with via moderation. I didn't miss a single thing in the post and the point still remains. You'll often see a fresh account asking a question here at least one or twice a week about a game before they buy it. By taking your method, that person doesn't get to ask the question (you'd be surprised how many people don't want to contact support) thus drastically limiting the chances of them buying said game.
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Linko64: You're still gating off the forums and would be users/customers, trolls are easily dealt with via moderation. I didn't miss a single thing in the post and the point still remains. You'll often see a fresh account asking a question here at least one or twice a week about a game before they buy it. By taking your method, that person doesn't get to ask the question (you'd be surprised how many people don't want to contact support) thus drastically limiting the chances of them buying said game.
Well, then take the forums out of the equation - as already stated by others - the troll posts in the forums aren't the biggest problem here, since they are usually quickly read and reported.

Let's restrict it to the reviews.

Or are you going to argue next, that an arbitrary number of games that an account has to own, before it is eligible to write reviews, would be unfair to users who own less games?

Well, easily solved: let's exchange the fixed number of games with a certain amount of money spent.

Let's say: you have to spend at least $25 - before you can write reviews.

You can easily spend that amount of money on a single game, or on 12 games (if each is on an 80% to 90% discount). So it shouldn't be too hard to reach that amount of money.

Do the math yourself: on how many troll accounts would you be willing to spend $25, only to write trash reviews?

And please don't reply with "yes, but then we might miss out on some wonderfully written reviews, done by new GOG users who are just not around long enough to spend that money here!"

I'm pretty sure, we all can wait - and if anyone has something important to say about a game, s/he can do it in the forums. We already have quite a number of well written reviews from forum members that didn't want their reviews getting lost in the review section.

And if someone trolls in the forum - report and the blues delete the troll post.
That way we are not dependend on users reading and reporting the trash reviews under each game.
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Linko64: You're still gating off the forums and would be users/customers, trolls are easily dealt with via moderation. I didn't miss a single thing in the post and the point still remains. You'll often see a fresh account asking a question here at least one or twice a week about a game before they buy it. By taking your method, that person doesn't get to ask the question (you'd be surprised how many people don't want to contact support) thus drastically limiting the chances of them buying said game.
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BreOl72: Well, then take the forums out of the equation - as already stated by others - the troll posts in the forums aren't the biggest problem here, since they are usually quickly read and reported.

Let's restrict it to the reviews.

Or are you going to argue next, that an arbitrary number of games that an account has to own, before it is eligible to write reviews, would be unfair to users who own less games?

Well, easily solved: let's exchange the fixed number of games with a certain amount of money spent.

Let's say: you have to spend at least $25 - before you can write reviews.

You can easily spend that amount of money on a single game, or on 12 games (if each is on an 80% to 90% discount). So it shouldn't be too hard to reach that amount of money.

Do the math yourself: on how many troll accounts would you be willing to spend $25, only to write trash reviews?

And please don't reply with "yes, but then we might miss out on some wonderfully written reviews, done by new GOG users who are just not around long enough to spend that money here!"

I'm pretty sure, we all can wait - and if anyone has something important to say about a game, s/he can do it in the forums. We already have quite a number of well written reviews from forum members that didn't want their reviews getting lost in the review section.

And if someone trolls in the forum - report and the blues delete the troll post.
That way we are not dependend on users reading and reporting the trash reviews under each game.
First things first, less of the attuide mate, you can have a proper chin wag without fella.

Now that you've changed the point you were making slightly I guess we can focus in on a few points:

25 dollars, you could quite easily build a library on here without spending that. Are you then saying that this person is not welcome to share their views on a game because they did not spend X amount of money on the service? That's a problem already.

Do the math, what math. There's literally no math to do mate.

See first line of reply ^^

Now you're going back to the value of the forum which you were happy to throw away before, but for the sake of the point - Apply the report logic to reviews, it does help and they often deleted when highlighted.

Again, this is a friendly chit chat on the topic, if you start going radge then I'll just not bother replying. Or i'll charge you £25 quid before i do ;)



Public reviews are always open to abuse, it's just a case of moderartion or wholesale change, or straight up removal as we're seeing more of. It really depends on what you value and how you consume said content.
Post edited March 06, 2019 by Linko64
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Telika: Fun fact : english not being my native language, I sometimes mix up the words "foreskin" and "forehead", with embarrassing results.
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tinyE:
I was eager to see one of your famous attached images... Now I regret it X(
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Linko64: Now that you've changed the point you were making slightly I guess we can focus in on a few points:
I did not change my point - I just did the polite(!) thing and met you halfway.
My point is still that for both, forum and reviews, there should be a threshold set, to be able to use these features.
But it would have been pointless to argue with you over this without showing my good will.

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Linko64: 25 dollars, you could quite easily build a library on here without spending that. Are you then saying that this person is not welcome to share their views on a game because they did not spend X amount of money on the service? That's a problem already.
I don't see the problem, sorry.
But I see, that you try to answer with the exact reaction, that I already anticipated in my last comment. The reaction of which I politely asked you to refrain from, because I answered to it already.
Quote: (And please don't reply with "yes, but then we might miss out on some wonderfully written reviews, done by new GOG users who are just not around long enough to spend that money here!").

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Linko64: Do the math, what math. There's literally no math to do mate.
See? Again - you miss something important.
If you argue that users who want to troll can easily set up alt-accounts for free to do so, and I say "well, let every account pay $25 before they are allowed to write reviews...than there is clearly some math to do.
How many users do you think, would be willing to spend $25 on an alt-account, only to write reviews that get deleted, as soon as they get reported?
Try to slip in their shoes for a moment - how often would you be willing to pay $25...for nothing but trolling?

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Linko64: Now you're going back to the value of the forum which you were happy to throw away before, but for the sake of the point - Apply the report logic to reviews, it does help and they often deleted when highlighted.
Sorry, but here I can't follow you. Maybe I'm too tired.
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BreOl72: [..]
25$ is way too much, but I agree with you.
Even a 1$ dollar gatekeeping for reviews would be good to stop some crap.

I wish there were one also for the forum, but probably Linko (real? probably not) is right about this part.
Also, bad alt accounts have already been created since years, so that wouldn't solve a lot of issues.
Post edited March 06, 2019 by phaolo
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DadJoke007: Speaking of review bombing, Captain Marvel seems to be unpopular.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4154664/
Perhaps people are just finally through worshipping every terrible movie Marvel makes.
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DadJoke007: Speaking of review bombing, Captain Marvel seems to be unpopular.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4154664/
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Breja: Perhaps people are just finally through worshipping every terrible movie Marvel makes.
The Deadpool movies aren't bad.
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Breja: Perhaps people are just finally through worshipping every terrible movie Marvel makes.
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tinyE: The Deadpool movies aren't bad.
True, but they are not Marvel movies :D

The character is Marvel, but the movies were made by Fox, like all the X-Men films.
Post edited March 06, 2019 by Breja
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Linko64: Now that you've changed the point you were making slightly I guess we can focus in on a few points:
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BreOl72: I did not change my point - I just did the polite(!) thing and met you halfway.
My point is still that for both, forum and reviews, there should be a threshold set, to be able to use these features.
But it would have been pointless to argue with you over this without showing my good will.

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Linko64: 25 dollars, you could quite easily build a library on here without spending that. Are you then saying that this person is not welcome to share their views on a game because they did not spend X amount of money on the service? That's a problem already.
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BreOl72: I don't see the problem, sorry.
But I see, that you try to answer with the exact reaction, that I already anticipated in my last comment. The reaction of which I politely asked you to refrain from, because I answered to it already.
Quote: (And please don't reply with "yes, but then we might miss out on some wonderfully written reviews, done by new GOG users who are just not around long enough to spend that money here!").

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Linko64: Do the math, what math. There's literally no math to do mate.
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BreOl72: See? Again - you miss something important.
If you argue that users who want to troll can easily set up alt-accounts for free to do so, and I say "well, let every account pay $25 before they are allowed to write reviews...than there is clearly some math to do.
How many users do you think, would be willing to spend $25 on an alt-account, only to write reviews that get deleted, as soon as they get reported?
Try to slip in their shoes for a moment - how often would you be willing to pay $25...for nothing but trolling?

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Linko64: Now you're going back to the value of the forum which you were happy to throw away before, but for the sake of the point - Apply the report logic to reviews, it does help and they often deleted when highlighted.
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BreOl72: Sorry, but here I can't follow you. Maybe I'm too tired.
I think we just disagree, i personally think pay gates into communities like this is a bad idea, even more so given recent events.

If you tired bud, have a cheeky cuppa and watch some Inside No 9, prime relaxation