Posted September 12, 2011
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eno_m_koney
Up To Something
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From United Kingdom
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Heretic777
Eternal PC Gamer
Registered: Jul 2011
From United States
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ChaunceyK
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Registered: Jun 2009
From United States
Posted September 12, 2011
Beating the bishop
Choking the chicken
Having a tug-of-war with cyclops
Choking the chicken
Having a tug-of-war with cyclops
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_ChaosFox_
Zero fox given.
Registered: Nov 2008
From Germany
Posted September 12, 2011
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As far as pay is concerned, keep in mind that a high minimum wage goes hand in hand with high taxes. That is after all the only reason why there is a minimum wage.
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The law in Germany requires employers to grant employees at least 20 working days paid holiday (assuming a five-day working week). In practice, most jobs will offer you either five or six weeks depending on your age, because they know that employees with kids and just four weeks holiday will become a liability and they'd rather grant the extra week or two and do without the hassle of sick kids, visits to the Bürgerbüro, doctors' check-ups etc. It's not so much "holiday" as "days off to get stuff done that you need to do". I took holiday to do my driving licence.
As far as France is concerned...yeah, many jobs will offer a 30-hour working week, and as much as the Brits deride the French for being lazy, I can tell you from having lived in France that the French are anything but lazy. They may work a 30-hour week, but the time and stress spared is more spent with family, with charitable undertakings and generally leading a constructive life. Not saying that the Brits are anti-social bastards, but the exhausting working hours in the UK makes leading a decent life a chore. In the UK, many people don't have much of a life outside of work.
Much like the Japanese I hear.
Post edited September 12, 2011 by jamyskis
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Heretic777
Eternal PC Gamer
Registered: Jul 2011
From United States
Posted September 12, 2011
LOL, never heard these before, excellent.
A government job in France seems like the best place to work. But I think Sarkozy is trying to make France like the USA by extending working hours and reducing holidays and vacation. Too bad for the French, good times are coming to an end.
A government job in France seems like the best place to work. But I think Sarkozy is trying to make France like the USA by extending working hours and reducing holidays and vacation. Too bad for the French, good times are coming to an end.
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Heretic777
Eternal PC Gamer
Registered: Jul 2011
From United States
Posted September 12, 2011
I've always been impressed with the European education system. Every person I meet from Europe is able to have a conversation in English. I took French in high school, but I can't have a conversation in French, I just passed the class and forgot everything.
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LordGremlin
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Registered: Oct 2010
From Russian Federation
Posted September 12, 2011
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You seem much too impressed though. I've encountered a lot of Spanish, Italian and French people who couldn't understand a word in English.
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Registered: Jun 2010
From United States
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Registered: Oct 2008
From Poland
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timppu
Favorite race: Formula__One
Registered: Jun 2011
From Finland
Posted September 13, 2011
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Anyway, I guess I got my answers, thanks. I think it was mainly the Penn&Teller episode that raised so many questions to my mind on the subject.
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eno_m_koney
Up To Something
Registered: Jun 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted September 13, 2011
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timppu
Favorite race: Formula__One
Registered: Jun 2011
From Finland
Posted September 13, 2011
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Also, maybe some Dane (FiatLux?) should enlighten more, but I think Denmark is nowadays much more strict on who can move in and stay in the country. I think the official message is "people who are willing to work and build the Danish society are welcome, others are not", but still it can be quite tricky for even many highly educated westerners to stay in the country.
This occurred to me because just this morning I saw a TV program about the immigration situation in Denmark, where some educated American woman, who had immigrated to Denmark and has lived/worked there for nine years, complained how strict it has become to stay in the country, and now she is thinking about moving out with her child because even after nine years she would not be granted a permanent residence permit.
As it happens, if you don't have permanent residence, less local employers are willing to take the chance and hire you, if they don't know you can stay in the country as long as you like. So it is a Catch-22, employers will not hire you without a permanent residence permit, which in turn will make it even less probable to get one.
So at the moment, it may be much easier to immigrate to the other mentioned countries. I propose Norway, they have oil and salmon, and are not in the Euro zone.
Post edited September 13, 2011 by timppu
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Leroux
Major Blockhead
Registered: Apr 2010
From Germany
Posted September 13, 2011
I've never heard that one before and wouldn't have believed it if not for the absence of protest from US GOG members here. So is it actually a fact? If so, how come?
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JudasIscariot
Thievin' Bastard
Registered: Oct 2008
From Poland
Posted September 13, 2011
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Also, maybe some Dane (FiatLux?) should enlighten more, but I think Denmark is nowadays much more strict on who can move in and stay in the country. I think the official message is "people who are willing to work and build the Danish society are welcome, others are not", but still it can be quite tricky for even many highly educated westerners to stay in the country.
This occurred to me because just this morning I saw a TV program about the immigration situation in Denmark, where some educated American woman, who had immigrated to Denmark and has lived/worked there for nine years, complained how strict it has become to stay in the country, and now she is thinking about moving out with her child because even after nine years she would not be granted a permanent residence permit.
As it happens, if you don't have permanent residence, less local employers are willing to take the chance and hire you, if they don't know you can stay in the country as long as you like. So it is a Catch-22, employers will not hire you without a permanent residence permit, which in turn will make it even less probable to get one.
So at the moment, it may be much easier to immigrate to the other mentioned countries. I propose Norway, they have oil and salmon, and are not in the Euro zone.
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Heretic777
Eternal PC Gamer
Registered: Jul 2011
From United States
Posted September 13, 2011
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1. My understanding is that almost all men born in US are circumcised at birth (as infants).
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Now there is a movement not to circ which I think is good. Its completely not necessary and barbaric.