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Posted November 19, 2015
Sublevel Zero is now available on Linux and Mac OS X! To celebrate the launch, you can now get descend into six-degrees-of-freedom hell at 15% off until Thursday, November 26, 4:59 PM GMT.

A roguelite descent into six degrees of freedom.

<span class="bold">Sublevel Zero</span> a procedurally generated six-degree shooter, is available now, DRM-free on GOG.com with a 15% launch discount.

Six degrees of freedom and a reality about to fall apart - descend into an ancient, underground facility where a long-lost technology is the key to your survival.
Sublevel Zero marries the most intense aspects of modern roguelike RPG elements, and classic Descent-like gameplay. There are no lives and no saves, every playthrough will be different thanks to the procedurally, yet masterfully generated levels - as you navigate claustrophobic tunnels in search for the next keycard, you'll never know what to expect around the corner. There are no two ways about it, Sublevel Zero is a revival of the classic Descent gameplay, with a very modern and engaging twists - it hits all the right spots, and up and down will soon lose all meaning.

Start your descent in <span class="bold">Sublevel Zero</span> available now, DRM-free on GOG.com. The launch discount will last for one week, until October 15, 3:59 PM GMT.
Posted October 08, 2015
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hedwards: This confuses me a bit. Perhaps it's because I havne't played Descent in a long time, but I remember being able to move in 3 dimensions, which is indeed 3 degress. Then you could roll, but where are the other DoF?
Rotations. Moving on X/Y/Z are the three, rotating along the X/Y/Z are the other 3.
Posted October 08, 2015
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hedwards: This confuses me a bit. Perhaps it's because I havne't played Descent in a long time, but I remember being able to move in 3 dimensions, which is indeed 3 degress. Then you could roll, but where are the other DoF?
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JMich: Rotations. Moving on X/Y/Z are the three, rotating along the X/Y/Z are the other 3.
OK, I guess I didn't remember being able to rotate in those other directions. I was never a particular fan of Descent, Terminal Velocity was just so much more fun, IMHO.
Posted October 08, 2015
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JMich: Rotations. Moving on X/Y/Z are the three, rotating along the X/Y/Z are the other 3.
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hedwards: OK, I guess I didn't remember being able to rotate in those other directions. I was never a particular fan of Descent, Terminal Velocity was just so much more fun, IMHO.
Terminal Velocity should also allow you to rotate the ship on all 3 degrees.
Posted October 08, 2015
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hedwards: I wish they'd stop abusing the term rogue-like.
You and me both :)
Posted October 08, 2015
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IronArcturus: From what I've read, this game looks like a roguelike when means you only get one chance and then you die. But it still looks pretty cool! I wonder if it works with an Xbox 360 controller...
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hedwards: I wish they'd stop abusing the term rogue-like. From the pictures and the description, there's very little here that's rogue-like.
But what else would you call games like Tower of Guns and Ziggurat? They both have randomized rooms and death is permanent.
Post edited October 08, 2015 by IronArcturus
Posted October 08, 2015
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hedwards: I wish they'd stop abusing the term rogue-like. From the pictures and the description, there's very little here that's rogue-like.
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IronArcturus: But what else would you call games like Tower of Guns and Ziggurat? They both have randomized rooms and death is pemanent.
Roguelites :)
Posted October 08, 2015
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IronArcturus: But what else would you call games like Tower of Guns and Ziggurat? They both have randomized rooms and death is pemanent.
I call them Rogue-lites since they only use that part of the Rogue experience.
Rogue-likes by their very definition have to be like Rogue IMO.
Posted October 08, 2015
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IronArcturus: But what else would you call games like Tower of Guns and Ziggurat? They both have randomized rooms and death is permanent.
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JudasIscariot: Roguelites :)
Haha!

But I thought those types of games were originally called "Rogue-likes" since death-permanence is reminiscent of the original Rogue game. I guess the only thing that's missing is the RPG element.
Posted October 08, 2015
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JudasIscariot: Roguelites :)
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IronArcturus: Haha!

But I thought those types of games were originally called "Rogue-likes" since death-permanence is reminiscent of the original Rogue game. I guess the only thing that's missing is the RPG element.
Ummmm well. Roguelites mostly focus on the procedural generation and permadeath aspects of Rogue.

Please visit the Roguebasin page for a proper introduction to the term "roguelike" :)
Posted October 08, 2015
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JudasIscariot: Ummmm well. Roguelites mostly focus on the procedural generation and permadeath aspects of Rogue.

Please visit the Roguebasin page for a proper introduction to the term "roguelike" :)
Hmm, so what would you call a true "roguelike?" Dwarf Fortress?
Posted October 08, 2015
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JudasIscariot: Ummmm well. Roguelites mostly focus on the procedural generation and permadeath aspects of Rogue.

Please visit the Roguebasin page for a proper introduction to the term "roguelike" :)
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IronArcturus: Hmm, so what would you call a true "roguelike?" Dwarf Fortress?
If you're referring to the Adventure mode found in Dwarf Fortress then yes, it's a proper roguelike. I personally play a variant of Angband, one of the major roguelikes that has a slew of variants made from it, called PosChengband.
Posted October 08, 2015
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IronArcturus: Hmm, so what would you call a true "roguelike?" Dwarf Fortress?
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JudasIscariot: If you're referring to the Adventure mode found in Dwarf Fortress then yes, it's a proper roguelike. I personally play a variant of Angband, one of the major roguelikes that has a slew of variants made from it, called PosChengband.
I think GOG needs to get the original Rogue! :)
Posted October 09, 2015
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IronArcturus: But what else would you call games like Tower of Guns and Ziggurat? They both have randomized rooms and death is pemanent.
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JudasIscariot: Roguelites :)
I think you cannot use that term without written permission from TotalBiscuit ;)
Posted October 09, 2015
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JudasIscariot: Roguelites :)
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xxxIndyxxx: I think you cannot use that term without written permission from TotalBiscuit ;)
The first time I saw that term was when Rogue Legacy was in development :) Also, I don't need anyone's permission for a particular word :P
Posted October 09, 2015
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hedwards: I wish they'd stop abusing the term rogue-like. From the pictures and the description, there's very little here that's rogue-like.
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IronArcturus: But what else would you call games like Tower of Guns and Ziggurat? They both have randomized rooms and death is permanent.
Those aren't rogue-likes either and I objected to the classification in at least one of those announcement threads.

They're good games, but calling them rogue-likes waters the term down to the point of becoming meaningless.
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IronArcturus: But what else would you call games like Tower of Guns and Ziggurat? They both have randomized rooms and death is pemanent.
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Smannesman: I call them Rogue-lites since they only use that part of the Rogue experience.
Rogue-likes by their very definition have to be like Rogue IMO.
Rogue-like is a term that always meant games that were basically clones of Rogue. This is a genre that's been around for a very long time and these games have very, very little in common with the older games.

Sometimes a genre just needs to die. Continuing to label these things as rogue-likes dilutes the meaning to a degree that's rather ridiculous.

Referring to Diablo as a rogue-like is a tad questionable, but more or less legitimate. Certainly much more so than these games.

The list on Wikipedia is pretty good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roguelike .

It's not that these are bad games, I like Ziggurat, it's that they aren't really appropriately grouped with other rogue-likes.
Post edited October 09, 2015 by hedwards
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