It seems that you're using an outdated browser. Some things may not work as they should (or don't work at all).
We suggest you upgrade newer and better browser like: Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer or Opera

×
avatar
Piranjade: But those games are not only on the index (games that are just on the index are apparently still available on GOG), Commandos and Mortal Combat 2 are games that have been confiscated. That's different.
The lockingl of Commandos can only be connected to the Nazi imagery. Why else would they lock Commandos 2+3 which were never even on the index? All three games have one thing in common, though: censored violence and removed Nazi imagery in the German releases. That's probably what`s going on here, and that's why I believe that Medal of Honor might be locked, as well, at some point.

Mortal Kombat 2 is no longer confiscated as of 2005 (according to Wikipedia, at least), but it`s still on the Index. >_>
Post edited February 26, 2015 by Nergal01
avatar
mrkgnao: The German catalogue is smaller than the US catalogue by 3 entries, so I assume 3 games are regionally locked in Germany.
avatar
Nergal01: Those are probably

Commandos Ammo Pack
Commandos 2+3
Mortal Kombat 1+2+3
Commandos, a game in which you kill and assasinate germans.

I SMELL A CONSPIRACY!
avatar
Rhyney: It is ok to launch a german website, that abides to regional law.

But IT IS NOT OK to paternalize mature german customers!

Gog.com, please add a section (or access to the international gog.com site) on the german site, which is restricted by age verification.

That is all it needs for us in germany to buy or import uncut games in a propper legal way. The german media index is nothing more than just a restriciton in terms of open advertising (like an 18+ porn section in a store).
avatar
AlliumSativum: This three games aren't allowed to be sold to german customers, even if they are 18+, they are confiscated by court decision
If this was the price for a german language version of this website, the price was way to high.

I will no longer buy any games here as long as the regional lock is in place for those games.

Btw I still have the original version of Commandos on CD, bought it back then in a retail store. I doubt it will run on Win7.
Post edited February 26, 2015 by MaGo72
avatar
Rhyney: It is ok to launch a german website, that abides to regional law.

But IT IS NOT OK to paternalize mature german customers!

Gog.com, please add a section (or access to the international gog.com site) on the german site, which is restricted by age verification.

That is all it needs for us in germany to buy or import uncut games in a propper legal way. The german media index is nothing more than just a restriciton in terms of open advertising (like an 18+ porn section in a store).
avatar
AlliumSativum: This three games aren't allowed to be sold to german customers, even if they are 18+, they are confiscated by court decision
This is correct. In addition you can go to jail for giving these games to persons under 18 or selling them to the public: http://www.gamestar.de/specials/reports/3083170/jugendschutz_in_deutschland_p3.html#beschlagnahmung-was-ist-das
avatar
AlliumSativum: This three games aren't allowed to be sold to german customers, even if they are 18+, they are confiscated by court decision
avatar
SWorD84: This is correct. In addition you can go to jail for giving these games to persons under 18 or selling them to the public: http://www.gamestar.de/specials/reports/3083170/jugendschutz_in_deutschland_p3.html#beschlagnahmung-was-ist-das
From what I read in addition to this link it is not forbidden to own these games or to import them. So I think it comes down to the question if buying digital games from a company that is not based in Germany counts as import or not.
If it counts as import they should be able to sell these games to us.
(But that was just what I got from reading these law mess, perhaps I interpreted it wrong)
Post edited February 26, 2015 by moonshineshadow
The opening post needs an update with the new section "Germany" and the three Mortal Kombat games.
I cannot access their gamecards anymore as expected.
avatar
AlliumSativum: This three games aren't allowed to be sold to german customers, even if they are 18+, they are confiscated by court decision
avatar
SWorD84: This is correct. In addition you can go to jail for giving these games to persons under 18 or selling them to the public: http://www.gamestar.de/specials/reports/3083170/jugendschutz_in_deutschland_p3.html#beschlagnahmung-was-ist-das
Ok i forgot, of course the removed games are conficated. I should have known that.

But still, I am very afraid of cencorship and restrictions.
avatar
Nergal01: The lockingl of Commandos can only be connected to the Nazi imagery. Why else would they lock Commandos 2+3 which were never even on the index? All three games have one thing in common, though: censored violence and removed Nazi imagery in the German releases.
If I understand the OGDB entries correctly only censored versions were released in Germany and therefore Commandos 2+3 never ended up being confiscated..
So if Medal of Honor here on GOG is an uncensored version that contains swastikas and the like you might be right that it could at risk of becoming unavailable for German users as well. (If I understand that correctly.)
Added:

Commandos Ammo Pack [DE]
Commandos 2+3 [DE]
Mortal Kombat 1+2+3 [DE]

It's so thoughtful of GOG - every time I start a new list, they give me stuff to add to it.
avatar
InfraSuperman: Seriously, at this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if Galaxy will just be a way to introduce DRM. I mean, that's basically the only difference between GOG and Steam now. They'll probably try to sugarcoat it as some other "good news".
avatar
FrasierWCrane: You mean auto-updating, achievements, cloud saving,...?
I don't know. Probably, though I was thinking more along the lines of "Release: GOG Galaxy and also Borderlands 2! BythewayGalaxyisnowmandatory."
avatar
Piranjade: If I understand the OGDB entries correctly only censored versions were released in Germany and therefore Commandos 2+3 never ended up being confiscated..
Correct. The international versions of Commandos 2+3 could have landed on the index, but they evidently didn't.

So if Medal of Honor here on GOG is an uncensored version that contains swastikas and the like you might be right that it could at risk of becoming unavailable for German users as well. (If I understand that correctly.)
It's a possibility, unfortunately. We'll have to observe this situation very carefully.

This problem also points out potential trouble for the future. Let`s talk about the deal with Warner Bros.

If Mortal Kombat 4 or Trilogy or maybe even Mortal Kombat 9 (I doubt that, but let's go with that for argument's sake...) were part of that deal, they`ll probably be unavailable to German users from the get-go.

I'm also skeptical about the other F.E.A.R. games. Granted, neither F.E.A.R. 2 nor 3 have nazi imagery nor were they ever confiscated. It`s still possible that we might miss out on those as well, IF they were part of the deal.
Post edited February 26, 2015 by Nergal01
avatar
Leroux: I know, but do you trust GOG and the publishers to handle it any different here then? I'd buy the retail version, but I'm afraid it might not run smoothly on Win 8.
Right now, I'm not sure if I can trust them at all anymore.

I actually own that retail collection of Max Payne, though I don't know whether it runs on Windows 8. It works perfectly fine on Windows 7, though it requires a fan-made patch for the audio (some weird thing about the format they used for sounds and music), or it will be mostly silent.

You could try the original demo, here.
Hey, if this is what it takes to get Fallout back, keep up the good work.
avatar
IAmSinistar: Added:

Commandos Ammo Pack [DE]
Commandos 2+3 [DE]
Mortal Kombat 1+2+3 [DE]

It's so thoughtful of GOG - every time I start a new list, they give me stuff to add to it.
Wouldn't want you to be idle now would we? :P
avatar
SWorD84: This is correct. In addition you can go to jail for giving these games to persons under 18 or selling them to the public: http://www.gamestar.de/specials/reports/3083170/jugendschutz_in_deutschland_p3.html#beschlagnahmung-was-ist-das
avatar
moonshineshadow: From what I read in addition to this link it is not forbidden to own these games or to import them. So I think it comes down to the question if buying digital games from a company that is not based in Germany counts as import or not.
If it counts as import they should be able to sell these games to us.
(But that was just what I got from reading these law mess, perhaps I interpreted it wrong)
Correct, and a court decision from 2002 actually opens the door somewhat for private sales inside Germany as well: http://www.medienzensur.de/Beschlagnahmung-Beschlagnahme-Filme-Spiele-131-86a-StGB.html (link in German)