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LiquidOxygen80: Arcanum will literally let you create a female half orc lesbian if you want, and romance same gender, etc.
Unfortunately, half the races are male-only, and there are no female-only races to balance things out.

There's also the fact that, due to the way stat modifiers work, female characters have less stat potential than male characters (the strength penalty keeps them from maxing strength, but the constitution bonus doesn't let them exceed the normal limit).
Excuse me, but I don't get what you mean by "modern feminist theme"...

Do you mean a game in which the player must fight against the injustices of a male chauvinist society or, on the contrary, a game that depicts a perfect egalitarian society where character roles are not directly linked to their gender? Or some other thing?

Maybe you mean something like Thunder Lotus' games. Both Jotun and
Sundered let us play as a strong female that hasn't the physical attributes of a porn actress.

Could you please be a little more specific?
Post edited June 12, 2018 by Lone_Scout
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David9855: heaven forbid they are not constantly pandered too and something isn't soaked in female positivity even know women are just human like us males.
If women were constantly pandered to by the gaming industry, I would think the list of games in this thread would be a lot longer than it is.
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TARFU: So what games have women been playing all these years, now that we know they haven’t just been wasting time trying to get their Facebook friends to give them free lives on Candy Crush?

Casual computer games, mostly. The report ranks online and mobile puzzle games, board games, trivia games, and card games as coming in second to the boom in social games, which more than doubled in popularity between 2012 and 2013.
What are "casual computer games"? I couldn't understand from their wording if it was referring to that list of "online and mobile puzzle games..." etc., or something else. Candy Crush Saga IS a mobile "puzzle" game, so I don't understand why the article is trying to convince me that "noooo, it is not like adult women are playing Candy Crush Saga, not at all. They are playing casual mobile and online games instead, completely different thing!".

To understand the significance more, I guess we would need more data like:

- How much money the persons in said category spend on gaming, e.g. buying games or paying for microtransactions.

- How much time (e.g. weekly) they use on gaming?

For instance, if you play Candy Crush Saga once a month and never pay for it, are you considered as a gamer? From the game publishers' point of view, these also affect how much they'd want to target that audience.

Unfortunately I couldn't find the original study to understand their methodology, how they gathered data etc. The article had a link to an article which had a dead link to the "original study". Also it seemed to be very US-centric study, so I have no idea if it is much different in US then.

At least here (in Finland) the discussion is quite different: the adult women, mothers, constantly complain that their teenage age boys play too much games, and it is offered as the official explanation why girls are doing better in schools than boys, women get more university degrees here, and why young men become outcasts much more often than young women, becoming homeless, unemployed etc. Because they spend their childhood with video games. (No I don't believe that is the real reason, but to me it would seem gaming is much more prevalent among boys and men here).
Post edited June 12, 2018 by timppu
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LiquidOxygen80: Arcanum will literally let you create a female half orc lesbian if you want, and romance same gender, etc.
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dtgreene: Unfortunately, half the races are male-only, and there are no female-only races to balance things out.

There's also the fact that, due to the way stat modifiers work, female characters have less stat potential than male characters (the strength penalty keeps them from maxing strength, but the constitution bonus doesn't let them exceed the normal limit).
Keep in mind that there could be a world setting reasoning for that, I can't honestly counter that as I've never really looked into it with any sort of depth, but as far as human females go, I could get that maybe the strength issue is due to the quasi victorian setting with maybe those sorts of values set in?

That said, I've played a human female lesbian swordswoman and wreaked just as much havoc in the setting as any of my male character playthroughs, with the exception of mages with Harm on any class or gender, as that pretty much is easy mode progression in a lot of scenarios.
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dtgreene, the whole effort of people in this thread of naming games is quite senseless, without knowing first what you mean by 'games with modern feminist themes'. The questions has been asked by several people already on page 1, 2 and 6.

Could you please help people make their efforts less senseless and random by elaborating on what you mean by modern feminist themes?
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LiquidOxygen80: But to the point of the OP: I'd say Cat Lady was pretty good

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Yeah, I would say that both S:R and Dragonfall would be pretty "progressive" in their overall tone, especially with the different takes on metahumans, etc.
The Cat Lady is probably a good shout simply because its protagonist isn't man with tits. On the contrary, Susan Ashworth is written incredibly vulnerable despite being basically Eric Draven, yet still has a certain badass flair. Dragonfall's Eiger is the direct opposite, completely written as stereotypically male, but without the rest of the setting acknowledging it, which is somewhat interesting in itself.

It also helps that both games are absolutely amazing.

That said, I really don't know why either would be considered a feminist theme. I might be a bit dense here, but to me that's just, I don't know, normal and good writing.

I honestly would have thought Duke Nukem 3D was the best answer by a mile so far, since it does depict a scenario where women are completely stripped of agency and relegated to the status of game object, which appears to be a big talking point from what I can tell. Since I was under the impression the game's meant to parody 80s action movies, it would seem to be an ally to the cause in pointing out the low standard in writing by means of exaggeration.

So yeah, a couple pointers as to what we're actually talking about wouldn't be a bad idea.

(Though actually labeling any of those games Fantasy is probably a bit of a stretch to begin with.)
Post edited June 12, 2018 by lolplatypus
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tort1234: American gaming companies are pandering to females like never before.
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PoppyAppletree: THE BIGGEST GAMING DEMOGRAPHIC IS ADULT WOMEN.

Seriously, that's not pandering, that's just marketing to your audience.

Incidentally, kickass women protagonists are a power fantasy for women in the same way as Arnie or Duke Nukem are for men. They also have the side effect of being hot as hell even without skimpy clothing because confidence is sexy, which appeals to men as well; the ur-example I'd cite is Ripley from Alien. I think it's win-win.
WHAT BULLSHIT? And to back-up your claim you use a crap article from a no name website. That is not evidence.

Gears of war was marketed to male audience, became successful and famous because of male audience, and now they are ignoring male audience. Same thing with star wars. No wonder the boycott and drop in sales of their merchandise.
Last I checked, no females played or even reviewed on youtube the gears of war games on the internet.



HA HA, how much feminist brainwashing have you been through ?

Men don't give a damn about a woman's confidence, it means nothing. If you don't look sexy, you ain't sexy.
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I feel I need to post this again, over the cacophony of voices going "Yeah, women are majority of gamers only because of CASUAL GAMES!" and "How dare women take away my RPG experience!"

http://www.joystiq.com/2014/10/27/report-men-play-more-mmos-fpses-women-rule-mobile-rpg/

So yeah, women play more RPGs than men. And in case someone complains "RPG could mean anything!", the study defines the terminology quite well:
Games where players take on the role and decision-making abilities of a character in order to advance through a fictional setting. E.g., Dragon Age, Final Fantasy VII, The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim.


Also, Beyond Good & Evil has been recommended in this thread before, so it could work for you, perhaps.
Post edited June 12, 2018 by babark
I think the best way I can sum up my opinion on this whole thing is to quote a certain music reviewer.
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I don't know if it was explained already, but "modern feminist themes" would mean things like:

- complaining about "equal pay" (and forgetting at the same time that men do longer days than women, have a higher rate of unemployment, almost all the homeless outcasts are men, men get injured and die at work much more often than women, etc.)

- reminding all the time how women are victims and men are the evildoers, reminding that e.g. war is always a worse deal for women than men because women get harassed and even raped and stuff, while men only get shot on the spot and lose their lives. Like how they reported what happened to jesidi people when ISIS soldiers invaded their villages: all the men were gathered together and shot, while women ended up as sex slaves for the ISIS soldiers. So easy for men, just shot on the spot.

- complaining how women end up in top positions in e.g. high-tech companies much less often, and forgetting that far less women choose technology at the university and instead pick literature, etno-filology, finger-painting courses and that sort of thing. So men start up new high-tech companies but women should lead them, or something.

That sort of things, I figure. So if you have any idea of RPGs which preach about such things, name them.
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Post edited June 12, 2018 by timppu
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timppu: That sort of things, I figure. So if you have any idea of RPGs which preach about such things, name them.
Actually, I've heard that in Tyranny you opress quite a few women (remember that you play on the side of evil tyrant in this game). But I didn't play so can't confirm it.
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I wish there were more games where you could play as a gay man trying to support women's rights.