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kohlrak: console-versions are arguably DRM-Free.
My general rule here is this:
* If the game is for a console that has a DRM'd online store, it is considered to have DRM, even if we're talking about a physical copy of said game.
* If the game is for a console that does not have any online store, then I would allow it.

Note that, for me to count a PC game as DRM-free, it has to be available on a service that does not provide or promote DRM. (So, for example, steam is out, even if the game can be started without the client.)

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kohlrak: You forgot the A, which is Asexual or "Allies," depending on interpretation, you bigot.
My rule with asexuality is that it counts only if there's positive evidence of the character being asexual. In particular, simply having the character never develop a relationship is not enough evidence.

I consider Terra from Final Fantasy 6 to be asexual, for example, as there's the dialog where she comments on her lack of attraction to Edgar early in the game. (There's also the comparison with Asellus from SaGa Frontier, who is clearly not straight.)
Post edited January 10, 2021 by dtgreene
Parvati in Outer Worlds is explicitely asexual. You can help her to have a romantic relationship with another character.

"In particular, simply having the character never develop a relationship is not enough evidence. "
Of course not, as that would rather hint at being aromantic.

In the next Atmora mod for Skyrim there will be a lot of represantiation, I know someone in the writing team who has told me, but it's not released yet.
But yeas, not DRM free sorry! Hopefully in the future!
Post edited January 10, 2021 by Dogmaus
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kohlrak: You forgot the A, which is Asexual or "Allies," depending on interpretation, you bigot.
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dtgreene: My rule with asexuality is that it counts only if there's positive evidence of the character being asexual. In particular, simply having the character never develop a relationship is not enough evidence.
You missed the point. It has flown way over your head.
I consider Terra from Final Fantasy 6 to be asexual, for example, as there's the dialog where she comments on her lack of attraction to Edgar early in the game. (There's also the comparison with Asellus from SaGa Frontier, who is clearly not straight.)
I'd have to play again, but rejection of Edgar is not strictly asexual. She has expressed desires that would require sexuality, however she has not explicitly supported nor condemned the notion of sexuality. Given her origins, as well as her disposition, she might just have a problem with Edgar specifically, or just be completely disinterested in humanity (for obvious plot reasons). I have yet to see a character in a game that i can confirm is asexual, but, well, thus is the nature of asexuality, as well. I would therefore default to the most reasonable assumption: she's bisexual, but this is only because, well, you go with default of what is in nature whenever conflicting evidence is scant. (That is to say, if you meet a random dude walking down the street in the game, a randomly generated NPC, it is reasonable to assume he's straight, unless there's evidence ot the contrary, because the author has not declared anything, thus you would assume said character is straight in the same vein as you would assume said character has 5 toes in those shoes.)
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Starmaker: Gender identity is likewise a completely fictional (bullshit) concept.
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toxicTom: Sorry to break it for you, but you're dead wrong here. Just because you can't imagine it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just because you are comfortable with what you are, doesn't mean everybody else is. And you're not entitled to say that they should be, that's just insane.
No, you're insane and a misogynist to boot. People who aren't comfortable with what they are shouldn't get to pretend they're something else and have everyone be compelled to play along. Adults don't get to go to kindergarten. Children don't get to have "sex" with adults even if they "want" to. Short kids don't get to ride the rollercoaster. Bald people can't donate the hair they wish they had. Men don't get prenatal care. Women don't get prostate exams. People without cancer don't get chemo. People without SMA don't get Zolgensma injections. Healthy people don't get to play wheelchair basketball at the Paralympics. Unqualified people don't get to do heart surgery. You don't get to win Novel of the Year if you haven't written one, you don't get a medal for winning a marathon if you rode in a car.

People who want to be something what they aren't exist -- it's pretty much everyone except stoners. The difference between is and ought is the foundation of civilization. Some of these want to be something they can't realistically become (super-rich, a marathon runner, a Nobel prize winner). Some of those want to be something they can never be, because it'd require changing past events. And some of those wants to lie about the past and force the whole world to believe a lie - this group is evil and insane. I "can imagine" they exist. I know they exist. I've been on the interwebs for over 15 years and I've seen some shit.

Determining needs by subjective feelings is insanity. A person without legs has it worse than a person with healthy legs. If both people "need" a motorized wheelchair, the former to move and the latter to ride to school for the lulz, and you only have one, who should you give it to? What if the latter cried really loud and the former said, "well, duh", and turned to crawl home? A plain person has it worse than a beautiful person, and Lobster Girl from the early oughts (she's an adult now) has it worse still. Most people would agree it's fair for the community to pay for Lobster Girl's new face and the plain person needs to shut up. But what if the plain person told you she really wants to be a beauty queen and have a modeling career? Like really, really wants? And then another plain person gets in a screaming match with her over whose feelings are more real? "I'll eat candy and log out!" "I'll go flying and log out!" "I'll log out everyone in my school!"

There's an argument that we should be "compassionate" to the mentally ill. "Compassion" is nice, but it's stretched wider than that one gentlemen's butthole. If you're deathly afraid of cars, perhaps it can be arranged for you to live in an Amish care home, or at least to be assigned a visiting care worker. But you don't get to ban cars wherever you're going, and you don't get to be crowned Formula 1 champion while sitting huddled in a barn identifying as one.

I regret very much I didn't become a doctor. It was never in the cards, and when I realized it would be the best culturally and most useful education to have, I didn't have either the time or the money.

Would you let me perform heart surgery on your mother?

One of Discord mods sexually identifies as a deer.

Does it get human rights? Can I get a hunting permit?

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toxicTom: In some older cultures people like that were even considered "holy", because they had the insight into "different worlds".
You're bringing in modern Western notions of holiness. Being a holy fool isn't an elevated position, it's a social ghetto for undesirables. A malformed or deviant person would be cared for by the community to placate the gods by whose will he or she was born, but would not be permitted to be a normal member.

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toxicTom: They were actually more enlightened than the common "straight" bloke or wench, because they could relate to being "both".
Is Rachel Dolezal more enlightened than Maya Angelou? Claiming to be able to have a deeper understanding of being someone you aren't, especially over their objections, is a lie and an offense to the real someones.

Would it be ok if a man who's never had children infiltrated a support group for bereaved mothers and claimed to be one because he thinks he can "relate" to them?

It happened twice. Even worse, the men roleplayed stillbirths, and one of them was soliciting real human babies to "breastfeed" after his "bereavement". So relatable!

It's gotten so bad that people are getting banned for opposing rape and coercive conversion of homosexuals. Apparently, gay men discriminate against women and lesbians discriminate against men by not having sex with them, and should force themselves to submit to the opposite sex to "unlearn" their "prejudice".

This is what the q slur is. Homosexuals are smeared with the q slur to suggest sexual availability, promiscuity, perversion, and absence of personal dignity, makes them into a modern equivalent of "holy fools" who may be "celebrated" for their entertainment value but will never be full community members. A lesbian is a woman who'll tell you no. A "q" woman will let you drill her butt and bring a female friend.

Finally, it's rich of you to say people who don't lie about what they are are "comfortable" being what they are. I imagine Uyghurs don't particularly like the genocide, but identifying as Han is not a real option - in fact, and I hope you agree, forgetting their language and culture, cutting contact with family forever, and going to live in a pod at a Foxconn factory is also genocide.

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numberonehangestan: Madeline is believed to be 20+ in general with more evidence given by the fact she has a long history with anxiety & depression, drives, drinks)
Given that the lead creator was named "Matt" and renamed himself "Maddie", it's pretty clear the character is 30 and the game is an interactive version of this comic.

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numberonehangestan: Trans healthcare (e.g puberty blockers, etc) is supported by doctors and trans people benefit from it, I don't see the issue here.
It isn't. Chemical castration for healthy children was recently banned in the UK. And while it'd be unfair to prevent adult perverts from mutilating their bodies while boob jobs and butt jobs exist, their mental health is not helped by said mutilation.

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Magnitus: If you want stronger evidence to back this claim: A lot of people move abroad and change nationality. How many people (and I'm not talking about those in the closet or discovering their identity) do you see changing their sexual preference or gender identity once it is established?
A lot of privileged people move abroad and change nationality. The overwhelming majority of people on Earth can't do it - they won't be accepted in a better country and they would be even worse off without support networks in a country which will accept them. And those who can still need permission from the host nationality for it. And, crucially, not being the host nationality yet, you don't get to determine the rules under which you do or do not get accepted. If I "identify" as French-Canadian and French speaker, I'll be laughed out of the embassy.

Meanwhile, men are demanding to be accepted as women over the objections of women and have intentionally passed laws to the effect without any public discussion.

I don't understand where you're going with the second sentence here, but genderists change their sexual preferences and gender identities significantly more often. Men go straight -> gay -> "lesbian" teen girl (straight sex offender with pedo ideation), women go normal -> Sasuke -> bunny -> Cloud Strife -> Jimin from BTS -> potato.

I guarantee Matt Thorson and James Stanton will be "coming out" again as "lesbians" after they get boob jobs.
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Magnitus: cis-gendered
Please don't use this word to refer to the majority group. The majority of people don't have a gender identity.

TL;DR

Please don't use the q word to refer to homosexuals and bisexuals.
Please don't use the abbreviation "LGBT" - the T is no longer a particularly disadvantaged subset of L and G, they're now majority heterosexual.
Please don't add more letters, especially "I".
Please don't use the expression "the LGBTur08w3un78yrwuaxiwl community". There's no such community in the Anglosphere. After most Western countries legalized gay marriage, gays quit gay rights lobby groups, leaving them to be run by "q" homophobes.
(one more) Please don't refer to an individual as LGB (unless talking about firsts) or "diverse".
E.g. "Ciri is LGB" - bad. "Ciri is bisexual" - good. "Ciri is the first LGB protagonist blahblah...." - ok.
Post edited January 11, 2021 by Starmaker
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Starmaker you will just get yourself banned.
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NuffCatnip: out of the closet and everything is working!
Congrats! The right thread for that!
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NuffCatnip: out of the closet and everything is working!
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timppu: Congrats! The right thread for that!
Heyo!

And here I thought nobody would notice that bit. :P
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fr33kSh0w2012: These forums were really Good back in 2009 it started to go lopsided in 2012/2013 when all the IDIOTS showed up and ruined gaming for the rest of us with their BULLSHIT!

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Starmaker: Gender identity is likewise a completely fictional (bullshit) concept.
The public is not well-informed about gender identity. Many people don't know it's bullshit.
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fr33kSh0w2012: Gee... What happened Fell out of your bed and smashed your head making you come to your senses or was it someone finally smacking some reality in that brain of yours Made you wake up and accidentally swallow the RED PILL?
This deserves a separate reply. Sometimes many predictions end up hinging on one prediciton that is dead wrong, and this was one of those cases.

I was wrong in being overly conservative. The Gamergate!!!1! era was so saturated with woman-hating rhetoric that I got affected by it and started falsely hoping it might be somewhat true. Meaning,
1. that women's rights, mothers' rights, ethnic minority rights hold fast against predatory straight men,
2. that the morality police drive porn into the deep web,
3. that out and proud sex offenders would be prevented from holding well-paid private jobs, not to mention public office,
4. that no one would be demanding of homosexuals to have straight sex,
5. that incels who cry discrimination would be laughed at as they have always been,
6. that brown thirdworlders put a dent in slavery and baby mills
7 that with falling birth rates and rising costs (no I wasn't so stupid as to be optimistic about capitalism), and more access to abortion, parents will have the children they want to have and invest their all in them

Instead, exactly the opposite happened:
1. parents' and minority rights w.r.t. predators are in the gutter, parents are deliberately kept in the dark when their children are targeted, groomed, and are supplied drugs
2. onlyfans
3. the list would crash the browser, but since this is a gaming forum, I offer a relevant example in Phil Wythe
4. very sad, many such cases
5. same
6. New York, the Grave of Nations, will start selling babies in February this year.
7. Women are complicit in this. I thought the "pet mom" shit was bad and degrading - it got worse. Statistics show that even though, among women, rich whites are most likely to believe in genderism, chemically castrated children are disproportionally brown, Asian, and adopted. Women are raising children as pets and spay them as they would a pet.


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To be on topic, I recommend Heartbeat. It's Pokemon with lesbian waifus and they're all awesome. The gameplay is great, too. The creators are a lesbian couple. DRM-free on Steam and comes with a Steam key on itch if you don't need regional pricing.
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toxicTom: In some older cultures people like that were even considered "holy", because they had the insight into "different worlds".
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Starmaker: You're bringing in modern Western notions of holiness.
No, this is a notion of holy that is common in many non-Western cultures, including from India (the hijra) and I believe the Native Americans (pre-Columbus).

Your description does not match what the URL says. (In particular, puberty blockers are not chemical castration; all they do is delay sexual development, which will continue should one stop the treatment.)

Also, the site you linked to is not considered reputable.
Post edited January 11, 2021 by dtgreene
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Starmaker: -snip-
This might interest you.
@dtgreene

This game is famous among RPG makers and the main character is genderless AFAIK, kind of like Undertale one left to interpretation / preference I guess?

https://futurecat.itch.io/oneshot
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Starmaker: --snip--
Well said. Very well said.
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Starmaker: ....
Wow, so much hatred and bile... It's probably no use, but...

Fact is, there are, and always have been through the ages, a small minority of people who are of a different gender than the sex of the body they grew up in. It's an actual medical diagnosis: Gender dysphoria, and it can lead to trauma, depression and even suicide.

And fact is also that we nowadays have means to help those people - even if those means have limits. Just like we now have high-tech prosthetics for people missing limbs, and we're making good progress with providing some form of eyesight to (at least some) blind people.

What you say is that because we don't have the means to make a blind person see yet, the guy without legs can't have their artificial ones.

What you don't seem to understand is that we're not talking about job dreams (surgeon, supermodel...) or crazy people who think they are deer. Or completely messed up parents who abuse their children because "trans" is in fashion. That's stupid whataboutism, and you are clearly intelligent enough to know that.

Maybe you should try to find out where your irrational hatred comes from. That's clearly not a healthy thing to live with.
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Starmaker: This deserves a separate reply. Sometimes many predictions end up hinging on one prediction that is dead wrong, and this was one of those cases.

I was wrong in being overly conservative. The Gamergate!!!1! era was so saturated with woman-hating rhetoric that I got affected by it and started falsely hoping it might be somewhat true. Meaning,
1. that women's rights, mothers' rights, ethnic minority rights hold fast against predatory straight men,
2. that the morality police drive porn into the deep web,
3. that out and proud sex offenders would be prevented from holding well-paid private jobs, not to mention public office,
4. that no one would be demanding of homosexuals to have straight sex,
5. that incels who cry discrimination would be laughed at as they have always been,
6. that brown thirdworlders put a dent in slavery and baby mills
7 that with falling birth rates and rising costs (no I wasn't so stupid as to be optimistic about capitalism), and more access to abortion, parents will have the children they want to have and invest their all in them

Instead, exactly the opposite happened:
1. parents' and minority rights w.r.t. predators are in the gutter, parents are deliberately kept in the dark when their children are targeted, groomed, and are supplied drugs
2. onlyfans
3. the list would crash the browser, but since this is a gaming forum, I offer a relevant example in Phil Wythe
4. very sad, many such cases
5. same
6. New York, the Grave of Nations, will start selling babies in February this year.
7. Women are complicit in this. I thought the "pet mom" shit was bad and degrading - it got worse. Statistics show that even though, among women, rich whites are most likely to believe in genderism, chemically castrated children are disproportionally brown, Asian, and adopted. Women are raising children as pets and spay them as they would a pet.
1. That's the thing straight men are not usually predators
2. Porn is really shit
3. Jeff Epstein, Harvey Weisenstein grubby OLD men
4. I know this my cousin is GAY
5. Sometimes INCEL is not their fault they have family problems to deal with like in my case (caretaker of insane Parent)
6. That's sick (Screw biden) selling babies is sick
7. I'm personally disgusted with women and the men that enable women to do this (Yes that Pet mother shit then that spaying) it's filth!

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toxicTom: irrational hatred
More like Rational disgust not hatred
Post edited January 11, 2021 by fr33kSh0w2012
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Starmaker: This deserves a separate reply. Sometimes many predictions end up hinging on one prediciton that is dead wrong, and this was one of those cases.

I was wrong in being overly conservative. The Gamergate!!!1! era was so saturated with woman-hating rhetoric that I got affected by it and started falsely hoping it might be somewhat true.
So that was the reason you attacked the shit out of me on my birthday when I was already depressed because all I could see was my death getting one year closer?