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TheEndedSkull: Additional note to GOG: You're based in Poland. I thought you people were supposed to take a stand against Nazis invading on your territory.
It was in the past.
And it is canceled.

Now it is time for Liberal Totalitarianism.
Enjoy rainbow flag, or enjoy being banned, fired, sued, expelled, etc!

This is democracy, son! ;D
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PanzerFranzz: GOG, the reason a lot of us shop here is because you don`t throw politics in our face. Having a "Pride Month" selection is clearly doing so. For what its worth, I am not going to buy as many games here anymore because of the role you are playing in spreading political propaganda and normalizing this behavior in a forum where children could be exposed to it. If possible, I will stick to places like steam that do not throw the politics of their HR manager in the face of their customers.

Sad.

[Moderated by SmollestLight: Inappropriate as well as stirring a political discussion which has nothing to do with a video game, which is against COC]
Come on dude, in Western countries gay rights are a settled thing these days. I by no means call myself a social liberal, but you sound like a guy in 1902 arguing against women's suffrage.
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patrikc: First and foremost, USA is not the center of the Universe, there are countries out there that openly oppose homosexuality and the LGBTQ movement.
According to a 2019 study (here is the link for further research) of whether or not homosexuality should be accepted by society, the rate of acceptance was 72% in the United States (lower than Canada, Australia and most of Western Europe). The image is different in other parts of the globe and a prime example (since it is considered a rather advanced society) is Israel (47%). India (the second-most populous country) was at 37%, whereas Indonesia (the fourth-most populous) at 9%. In Nigeria (which is the most populous African country and seventh worldwide) acceptance rate is at 7%. Not necessarily conclusive, but it paints an image: wealthier countries have a tendency to accept homosexuality (at least on paper).
The world is changing (or has changed) for some, not for all. There is a difference.
I think in terms of "the West" and the US is very representative of it, if not more to the Right. GOG very much focus on Western games and Western values, despite some hiccups. In that context there should be absolutely zero surprise or anger that they would promote Pride Month, which is a thing pretty much every company in the West is doing right now.

The idea this is even a conversation that needs to be had is kind of baffling to me, as an "old millennial" living in the West. I know it's different elsewhere (which is sad), but I'm more of GOG's market by far.
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TheEndedSkull: Additional note to GOG: You're based in Poland. I thought you people were supposed to take a stand against Nazis invading on your territory.
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vsr: It was in the past.
And it is canceled.

Now it is time for Liberal Totalitarianism.
Enjoy rainbow flag, or enjoy being banned, fired, sued, expelled, etc!

This is democracy, son! ;D
:)
Like some here label others bigoted and Nazis if they don't support LGBT+++ parades/pride months etc., and calls for tolerance, what a joke.

Gays should have exactly the same rights as heteros, nothing more, nothing less.
Therefor, these pedestal things shouldn't be happening.
Is there blonde hair month? No because it is stupid, it is just a color from many. Why should it be treated better, like it was the preferred color?
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Orkhepaj: Gays should have exactly the same rights as heteros, nothing more, nothing less.
Therefor, these pedestal things shouldn't be happening.
Is there blonde hair month? No because it is stupid, it is just a color from many. Why should it be treated better, like it was the preferred color?
They're a historically opressed group for hundreds of years, and they want to celebrate their relatively-new freedom. The similar reason why America, Hungary, or any other country celebrate their independence day. Yes your country achieved its independence decades or centuries age, why keep celebrating it every year? It has nothing to do with 'being treated better' or 'the preferred color.'

And gays worldwide still don't have exactly the same rights as heteros, so maybe the pedestal should be happening for a while longer.
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Orkhepaj: Gays should have exactly the same rights as heteros, nothing more, nothing less.
Therefor, these pedestal things shouldn't be happening.
Is there blonde hair month? No because it is stupid, it is just a color from many. Why should it be treated better, like it was the preferred color?
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Catshade: They're a historically opressed group for hundreds of years, and they want to celebrate their relatively-new freedom. The similar reason why America, Hungary, or any other country celebrate their independence day. Yes your country achieved its independence decades or centuries age, why keep celebrating it every year? It has nothing to do with 'being treated better' or 'the preferred color.'

And gays worldwide still don't have exactly the same rights as heteros, so maybe the pedestal should be happening for a while longer.
nah it is just political activism
independence DAY not month , and it is for everyone in the country not just a few

not at all pedestals shouldn't happen at all, just look at the companies how they somehow doesnt support lgbt where they dont have the same rights
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Orkhepaj: agree , if they want to keep this store politic free they should do these political selections/sales
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joppo: Aren't you missing a negation here?
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Orkhepaj: hell no , we dont need these at all
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joppo: I'd say that's exactly the point: to show how ridiculous it can get when you start pandering to every single division humanity can invent.
My issue is when supposed "neutral" gaming sites only advertise for causes that are linked to one particular party or one particular political direction. And that's all we see. These causes, be it something like Pride or Environmentalism, have chosen to align themselves with one specific political party or direction. So when I see something like this advertised on GOG, it looks like a political advertisement. I don't see the cause, I see the political party they have aligned themselves with. Some sites, like RockPaperShotgun and itch.io, have openly admitted to being political sites, that they represent one political extreme. I have no major issue with this, since it's my decision to visit these sites or not, knowing this. However if a site is claiming to be neutral and is banning political discussions in their forum out of principle, it should advertise for causes that are not limited to one specific political direction (or better yet, stay out of politics). My thought experiment was to balance this out by suggesting causes that are a bit different.
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Actually I'm not sorry.
Post edited June 30, 2021 by TheEndedSkull
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joppo: Aren't you missing a negation here?

I'd say that's exactly the point: to show how ridiculous it can get when you start pandering to every single division humanity can invent.
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72_hour_Richard: My issue is when supposed "neutral" gaming sites only advertise for causes that are linked to one particular party or one particular political direction. And that's all we see. These causes, be it something like Pride or Environmentalism, have chosen to align themselves with one specific political party or direction. So when I see something like this advertised on GOG, it looks like a political advertisement. I don't see the cause, I see the political party they have aligned themselves with. Some sites, like RockPaperShotgun and itch.io, have openly admitted to being political sites, that they represent one political extreme. I have no major issue with this, since it's my decision to visit these sites or not, knowing this. However if a site is claiming to be neutral and is banning political discussions in their forum out of principle, it should advertise for causes that are not limited to one specific political direction (or better yet, stay out of politics). My thought experiment was to balance this out by suggesting causes that are a bit different.
I have exactly the same feeling about this. These topics got political, and became political ads for the parties expropriated them. We all know who those pushing these voted for.
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72_hour_Richard: ... and is banning political discussions in their forum out of principle,....
If you look into the archive of the forums, there've been plenty of political (and religious) discussions in the past, with the occasional warning by staff to keep it civil. So GOG didn't forbid political discussions "out of principle" back then.

What has changed? For once, GOG has grown tremendously. More users, more trouble, even with the percentage of trolls and... "choleric people with strong opinions" being constant.
And also discussion culture has deteriorated horribly in the last decade - not only here, but all over the internet. Nowadays topics like that become poo-flinging contests and Godwin training grounds quicker than any moderator can swing the ban hammer.

It's sad, but I can understand why a company isn't willing to put up with the fuss (they'd need a way larger moderation team too) and simply set up a "No politics!" sign.

It's up to the users to prove that meaningful and civil discussions are possible even with contentious issues. But I'm not holding my breath.
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As a conservative Christian, I don't agree with the lifestyle that the LGBT community pursues but I respect them and treat them no differently than any other human. That said, I do have to say that June is probably my least favorite month of the year simply because of the Pride Month thing. I don't have a problem with people celebrating who they are. That's fine. I just don't see why we need to spend an entire month of shoving it in everyone's faces (I can't stand the activists) when celebrations like Christmas, Veteran's Day and the like are only singular DAYS out of the year.

That said, while I do wish GOG and CD Projekt would remain neutral on topics like this, it doesn't bug me that much and I'm not about to hop to Steam (which is blatantly in favor of policies that you would most likely disagree with) just because they ran a Pride Month collection. It would be nice if they did collections to celebrate other things too, but it is what it is. GOG is still a fantastic company and it's not like one disagreement with them is going to keep me from buying from them.

Besides, even if you disagree with the LGBT community, you'll find it nigh impossible to not buy from companies that do stuff like this, especially not in 2021. Just ignore things like this and move on, it's really not that big of a deal... now, if they started getting crazy with it, sure, I'd take issue with it but for now, it's just an easily-ignored banner that switches within a few seconds anyway.
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StingingVelvet: I think in terms of "the West" and the US is very representative of it, if not more to the Right. GOG very much focus on Western games and Western values, despite some hiccups. In that context there should be absolutely zero surprise or anger that they would promote Pride Month, which is a thing pretty much every company in the West is doing right now.

The idea this is even a conversation that needs to be had is kind of baffling to me, as an "old millennial" living in the West. I know it's different elsewhere (which is sad), but I'm more of GOG's market by far.
Companies and people by extension have to align themselves with this ideology not only in the Western world, whether they like it or not. If they don't, then they are shoved aside or forced to step down. Such was the case with Brendan Eich in 2014, none other than Mozilla's CEO at the time. A supporter of California's Proposition 8 back in 2008, he donated 1,000 USD to the cause. Fast forward to 2014 and he had to resign from his position at the company he co-founded. His ideas did not sit well with certain groups and individuals, especially with the gay rights activists. How should we describe this backlash?

I don't know why would you find surprising the fact that some people oppose homosexuality or the movements around it. We all come from different place, we have different backgrounds, thoughts, ideals, values. While it is a hot subject in the Western world, it is insignificant in other places. Africa, for instance, has other burning issues to deal with.

Also, isn't GOG supposed to be a player on the global market rather than cater just to the West?
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JakobFel: when celebrations like Christmas, Veteran's Day and the like are only singular DAYS out of the year.
Where in the US are you that Christmas isn't shoved down your throat for the last 2-3 full months of the year? I've seen that stuff in stores before Halloween lately, and of course when December itself rolls around the whole thing gets dialed up to 11.
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patrikc: Also, isn't GOG supposed to be a player on the global market rather than cater just to the West?
Not exactly
How many purchase will be made from countries where gay people are banned like Nigeria
And how many people are from countries like Australia or USA where support for gay people is strong?

So no. Gog should not cater to the world by avoiding subjects which piss off some minority of buyers.
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72_hour_Richard: Or at the very least be open to all all types of x-day/month, like Armistice Day, Veteran's Day, Holocaust Remembrance Day, World Environment Day ... and why not Day of the Seafarer, International Asteroid Day, International Day of the Celebration of the Solstice, World Bicycle Day, Global Day of Parents (these are all real by the way).
Some of them sounds great.
Day of seafarer. All boat games on sale.

Something for hr to consider doing.
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I just wanted to say this: being intolerant with those who are intolerant is perfectly fine by me. Apparently contradictory, indeed, but then again why would a society wanting a place for everyone want to deal with somebody negating this principle? Live and let live, but if somebody doesn't allow you smash them.