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lukaszthegreat: Not exactly
How many purchase will be made from countries where gay people are banned like Nigeria
And how many people are from countries like Australia or USA where support for gay people is strong?

So no. Gog should not cater to the world by avoiding subjects which piss off some minority of buyers.
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patrikc: I believe those are questions that GOG can address. However, it is interesting you chose Nigeria (where the market share is probably very low) and not a country like Russia.

Also, how can you be so sure those disapproving of Pride Month are a minority? It is a biased assumption at best, unless backed up by numbers.

At the end of the day, this is a business decision taken by GOG, albeit in a peculiar fashion. Some will approve of it, others won't. And most likely there are those who do not feel one way or another.
Nigeria was mentioned previously in the thread

We can be fairly confident that people who disapprove are minority at least from purchasing point of view.

Few things which suggest that without us having the actual data

Companies promote themselves by supporting lgbt. That means they did their studies and see that it increases sales
Especially since they are not once off campaigns
Hence why gog follows steam which would have data in how many sales they get during and after. And would be able to determine that yeah. There is support

Approval for lgbt content has risen in past 20 years or so. When will and grace was new now it would not be something special.

People who care about Anti-homesexuality are generally older on average.
Hence support or indifference is much higher in gaming buying population than national average.

Hence people who are anti pride month are small minority

Like you said
Most people won't care and will just enjoy sales
A group will do additional purchases
And smaller group will not buy anything

Hence by running the sale gog should get more sales than not running it.
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TheEndedSkull: I'm not trying to be disingenuous. It's true that the term "Nazi" is horribly misused by some people, but it's also unfortunately true that we've been seeing a rise of popularity for Nazi ideology
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morolf: Maybe, but I don't see where you could see that in this thread. You may of course think people opposed to Pride month are bigoted fossils or whatever, but that doesn't equal Nazism. So throwing around such terms doesn't improve the climate of debate.
Anyway, since your original comment has been deleted, there isn't much point to discuss this any further.
Fair enough, you're right and I shouldn't have made the accusation of Nazism so lightly.
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lukaszthegreat: No cod style of campaign style of games where you defend Berlin or fight in Stalingrad.
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morolf: iirc there was some American shooter not that long ago (from one of the big franchises, don't know which one though, I don't play such games) where you did play as a German tank crew, during the later stages of WW2. There was some controversy about it, whether it whitewashed German crimes etc.
A game about "purification of the Warsaw ghetto" hardly could be anything but an antisemitic hate game, so obviously won't get made except maybe by neonazis.
There has been afew that are in major enough Fhrancises indeed that let one place as ww2 Germany soldiers the reason I phrased it like that is ww2 german solders was not all into ''Nazism'' a chunk was sure but there was several that also had little to know choice but to do as they are told because of what would happen to their loved ones if they didn't.. Do I say they are in the clear for still going along with it ? No but I can understand why they would for the fear of what would happen to their loved ones if they hadn't .. But ya as far as I know none of those cases truly glorified the Nazism following sort.. though I could be wrong.. as I am not one for mostly multiplayer focused games..

Actually such a game like you quoted of ''A game about "purification of the Warsaw ghetto" hardly could be anything but an antisemitic hate game, so obviously won't get made except maybe by neonazis.'' Could reasonable be made as not those things if it doesn't glorify such things and actualy paints it of those who are actually for Nazism bad and those who aren't but fearing for what would happen if they don't follow orders as not at all enjoying nor happy about any of the stuff happening even horrorified by the needs done it could work to help get the message across many aren't aware of that a good chunk of Germans was not for Nazism or atleast not most of it if at all any of it.. Yet had to follow it for what would happen to there loved ones otherwise basically doing things out of fear and such because they had no way to leave sort of thing ..
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BanditKeith2: Nazism bad and those who aren't but fearing for what would happen if they don't follow orders
That's misleading as regards the "liquidation" of the Warsaw ghetto or other acts of mass murder unrelated to military fighting. A game about that from the point of view of perpetrators couldn't be but inappropriate, whatever the intention behind it.
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For those genuinely curious about why Pride Month is a thing, maybe I can try to explain a bit: As you're probably aware, there have been (and still are) many places in the world where being LGBT is effectively outlawed. The most popular (if I'm not mistaken at least) religions in the world speak out against homosexuality as a sin, perhaps even something to be put to death for. Even in places where these things have improved or are improving, acceptance doesn't happen overnight. There's no magic switch where same-sex marriage becoming legal means that suddenly being gay is no big deal anymore.

See, while some people refuse to believe this it's not a choice for someone to be gay or trans or whatever else. It's just how they are, and this tends to be a pretty big part of their identity and their lives. Most people want romantic love, to find someone who they can spend the rest of their life with. Most people want to feel comfortable being authentic and sincere and expressing themselves genuinely. These things can become incredibly difficult if pursuing love or being true to yourself means feeling like most of the world hates you, means losing your friends or family because they won't accept you anymore.

The reason there is no Straight Pride or Cis Pride is because it's always been socially acceptable (and expected) to be those things. Nobody has to come out as straight, nobody has to come out as cisgender. Nobody has to worry about their friends, family, community, or government hating them for being those things. The point of Pride is to stand in opposition to the shame, the hatred, the alienation, all of the pain others have inflicted and continue to inflict upon LGBT people. The point is to show people they're not alone, as well as to help spread awareness, understanding, and acceptance of them.

For most people, sadly, being LGBT is difficult. Some are fortunate enough to live in accepting places and be with accepting people, but many aren't. It is really, really tough to feel like all of the people you love most in the world wouldn't be able to love you anymore if they knew the truth about you. They wouldn't accept you, they wouldn't understand you or even want to understand you. They'd look down on you, they'd see you as defective, or maybe even worse. People treat your very existence as a political issue, and it can feel like the world itself simply doesn't want you around.

It's really bad, honestly. But it doesn't have to be that way. Human beings choose how to treat each other, and there is no reason why LGBT people have to be treated poorly. Hopefully someday we'll reach a point where they aren't, where "coming out" really is no big deal. That seems to be a long way away though, if it's ever reached. But Pride Month is a part of working towards it, and it's part of giving LGBT people some time where maybe the weights they carry don't have to feel quite so heavy.
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BanditKeith2: Nazism bad and those who aren't but fearing for what would happen if they don't follow orders
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morolf: That's misleading as regards the "liquidation" of the Warsaw ghetto or other acts of mass murder unrelated to military fighting. A game about that from the point of view of perpetrators couldn't be but inappropriate, whatever the intention behind it.
That is not misleading I stated a honest way such a thing would not be a hateful nor pro Nazism of any kind sort of thing because its true there was lots of soldiers of WW2 Germany that did things out of fear for their family and those they cared about because of how bad things got .. So its quite possible that soldiers not alinged with Nazi idealogy was involved in horrors that happened and not okay with such things .. I was looking at the matter of how a game like that could be made and actually not be bad in the why's its made as it could be easy to make it clear groups of the ones doing it actualy was for it and others was not at all.. while it would be polarizing and such for people and thoughts devided on if its okay or not it'd not be misleading and help people get the fact not all German WW2 solders who was in the german forces was monsters like so many actually stiff believe to this day..

I honestly am looking at such a concept in as none a biased way as I can..
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PanzerFranzz: For what its worth, I am not going to buy as many games here anymore
Good riddance
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TheEndedSkull: For those genuinely curious about why Pride Month is a thing, maybe I can try to explain a bit: As you're probably aware, there have been (and still are) many places in the world where being LGBT is effectively outlawed. The most popular (if I'm not mistaken at least) religions in the world speak out against homosexuality as a sin, perhaps even something to be put to death for. Even in places where these things have improved or are improving, acceptance doesn't happen overnight. There's no magic switch where same-sex marriage becoming legal means that suddenly being gay is no big deal anymore.

See, while some people refuse to believe this it's not a choice for someone to be gay or trans or whatever else. It's just how they are, and this tends to be a pretty big part of their identity and their lives. Most people want romantic love, to find someone who they can spend the rest of their life with. Most people want to feel comfortable being authentic and sincere and expressing themselves genuinely. These things can become incredibly difficult if pursuing love or being true to yourself means feeling like most of the world hates you, means losing your friends or family because they won't accept you anymore.

The reason there is no Straight Pride or Cis Pride is because it's always been socially acceptable (and expected) to be those things. Nobody has to come out as straight, nobody has to come out as cisgender. Nobody has to worry about their friends, family, community, or government hating them for being those things. The point of Pride is to stand in opposition to the shame, the hatred, the alienation, all of the pain others have inflicted and continue to inflict upon LGBT people. The point is to show people they're not alone, as well as to help spread awareness, understanding, and acceptance of them.

For most people, sadly, being LGBT is difficult. Some are fortunate enough to live in accepting places and be with accepting people, but many aren't. It is really, really tough to feel like all of the people you love most in the world wouldn't be able to love you anymore if they knew the truth about you. They wouldn't accept you, they wouldn't understand you or even want to understand you. They'd look down on you, they'd see you as defective, or maybe even worse. People treat your very existence as a political issue, and it can feel like the world itself simply doesn't want you around.

It's really bad, honestly. But it doesn't have to be that way. Human beings choose how to treat each other, and there is no reason why LGBT people have to be treated poorly. Hopefully someday we'll reach a point where they aren't, where "coming out" really is no big deal. That seems to be a long way away though, if it's ever reached. But Pride Month is a part of working towards it, and it's part of giving LGBT people some time where maybe the weights they carry don't have to feel quite so heavy.
Wrong on afew counts a person can worry about coming out as Strait/Cisgender if they have none strait parents for fear of rejection/disowned or whatever other negative thing that can happen.. True its not as bad as those who are LGBTQ+ coming out but its a thing none the less

Also not everyone can choice how to treat others .. Some are raised in a way or raised in a place where they have no choice but to treat someone a different way in a very negative way or else major trouble comes to them and/or their loved ones.. Its a thing still in some locations of the world that there is no good choice .. just ..''What choice is the lesser of two evils'' In the persons mind to pick from in some countries still .. So its not always a choice someone can actually have in some scenario's
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JakobFel: As a conservative Christian, I don't agree with the lifestyle that the LGBT community pursues but I respect them and treat them no differently than any other human. That said, I do have to say that June is probably my least favorite month of the year simply because of the Pride Month thing. I don't have a problem with people celebrating who they are. That's fine. I just don't see why we need to spend an entire month of shoving it in everyone's faces (I can't stand the activists) when celebrations like Christmas, Veteran's Day and the like are only singular DAYS out of the year.
As an atheist anarchist, I don't agree with lifestyle conservative Christians pursue, but I respect them and treat them no differently than any other human. I also don't have problem that entire December is dedicated to a celebration of pagan festival hijacked by Christians as their most important holiday. I do prefer October for Halloween though.
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StingingVelvet: In that context there should be absolutely zero surprise or anger that they would promote Pride Month, which is a thing pretty much every company in the West is doing right now.
It shouldn't surprise anyone, but imo some have the right to be upset by such when such events/etc are used(as they often are) by corporations/businesses to treat LGBT and other groups like little more than walking income sources.

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TheEndedSkull: Where in the US are you that Christmas isn't shoved down your throat for the last 2-3 full months of the year? I've seen that stuff in stores before Halloween lately, and of course when December itself rolls around the whole thing gets dialed up to 11.
It's actually been switched to a more generic/inclusive "Happy Holidays" type thing, now.
(one of the few things that still seems to be mostly christmas-centric is the music played on radio stations....but that's likely in large part because there are few Hanukkah/Kwanzaa/etc songs)
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GamezRanker: when such events/etc are used(as they often are) by corporations/businesses to treat LGBT and other groups like little more than walking income sources.
Hi! Just to clarify one thing - in case of this event, it was an idea of LGBT employees, and LGBT people themselves made it happen. :)
Thank you for looking out for our community, but in this case it is absolutely not necessary. :)
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lukaszthegreat: Isn't it for gog to make sales from a) gay people b) people who want to support homesexuality

So if you are not in those two categories
What's the big deal?
I'm in both those categories, and I get somewhat annoyed at a number of companies acting like they care while really treating us like little more than income sources to exploit.

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lukaszthegreat: Hence people who are anti pride month are small minority
That's actually wrong if we're talking about the overall(world) population...and among those who think that way are also a number of LGBT(including myself) who are against such things.

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Frambooos: Hi! Just to clarify one thing - in case of this event, it was an idea of LGBT employees, and LGBT people themselves made it happen. :)
Thank you for looking out for our community, but in this case it is absolutely not necessary. :)
Sorry for not clarifying earlier: I meant mainly other companies.....and not so much GOG. :)

Also an idea to maybe send to the higher ups: maybe the company could promise to pledge a certain portion of sales during future pride months/sales to causes that help LGBT in various parts of the world...that would do a lot more good than just kind words on a web page, imo.
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Frambooos: Hi! Just to clarify one thing - in case of this event, it was an idea of LGBT employees, and LGBT people themselves made it happen. :)
Thank you for looking out for our community, but in this case it is absolutely not necessary. :)
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GamezRanker: Sorry for not clarifying earlier: I meant mainly other companies.....and not so much GOG. :)

Also an idea to maybe send to the higher ups: maybe the company could promise to pledge a certain portion of sales during future pride months/sales to causes that help LGBT in various parts of the world...that would do a lot more good than just kind words on a web page, imo.
Glad you mentioned it! We worked with two Polish LGBT charities this year, and we are also raising money within the company for Kampania Przeciw Homofobii (Campaign Against Homophobia). KPH creates social campaigns, conducts advocacy and educational activities, and offers legal and psychological assistance for LGBT people in Poland.
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Frambooos: Glad you mentioned it! We worked with two Polish LGBT charities this year, and we are also raising money within the company for Kampania Przeciw Homofobii (Campaign Against Homophobia). KPH creates social campaigns, conducts advocacy and educational activities, and offers legal and psychological assistance for LGBT people in Poland.
Not knowledgeable on that particular charity(KPH), but that sounds like a nice thing for y'all to do.

Btw: I assume/hope it isn't one that also demonizes/belittles/shames/etc other groups like heterosexuals/etc, or that tries to force such other groups to think/act a certain way?
(just curious, as a few LGBT charities do in fact do such things, which is unfortunate/sad)
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Frambooos: Glad you mentioned it! We worked with two Polish LGBT charities this year, and we are also raising money within the company for Kampania Przeciw Homofobii (Campaign Against Homophobia). KPH creates social campaigns, conducts advocacy and educational activities, and offers legal and psychological assistance for LGBT people in Poland.
Just a suggestion, but it might be worth GOG mentioning that somewhere then? (as in, somewhere more visible than an obscure forum post)