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amok: soooo... wan2 cybseckz?
No thanks. May catch a virus. Ever since they started making routers with wifi, putting condoms on them with the wifi antenna in a pain.
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amok: soooo... wan2 cybseckz?
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drmike: No thanks. May catch a virus. Ever since they started making routers with wifi, putting condoms on them with the wifi antenna in a pain.
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bler144: as an 8-armed space alien
Wow, you have eight arms?! Y'know, there's a lot we could... do. Feel like coming over toni... waitaminute. Whaddyou mean you have eight arms!? You are CLEARLY a smurf!! So which is it BLER... if that's even your real name... are you a smurf, or an eight-armed sex machine? How DARE you get me all hot and bothered and lead me on because I fantasized about you when you never even said the slightest sexual thing. The nerve! And a liar to boot!

It's sad how you can't even trust fellow blues online. Makes me blue. Well, bluer. Well, bler... wait, am i Bler?

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Darvond: Now imagine that someone has the cojones to make a game with a hermaphrodite/futanari.
There are text games that do. They're sex games obviously. Look up Corruption of Champions (fantasy) or Trials in Tainted Space (sci-fi).
Post edited February 19, 2018 by BlueMooner
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tinyE: *snip*
That worked back then but kind of hard when it looks like this:

http://www.netgear.com/npg/xr500/
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BlueMooner: Wow, you have eight arms?! Y'know, there's a lot we could... do. Feel like coming over toni... waitaminute. Whaddyou mean you have eight arms!? You are CLEARLY a smurf!! So which is it BLER... if that's even your real name... are you a smurf, or an eight-armed sex machine? How DARE you get me all hot and bothered and lead me on because I fantasized about you when you never even said the slightest sexual thing. The nerve! And a liar to boot!

It's sad how you can't even trust fellow blues online. Makes me blue. Well, bluer. Well, bler... wait, am i Bler?
Clearly a human.
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kohlrak: Hormones ultimately make up the majority of our differences, which can be acted away when the physical differences are hidden. The violence and rape statistics show that suppressing hormone driven behavior is relatively easy, too.
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dtgreene: In some cases, it could be whether the person't hormones align with the brain. Give a cisgender person cross-sex hormones (see Alan Turing and David Reimer for examples of this happening), and the result can easily lead to depression and suicide. Withholding such hormones from a transgender person has a similar effect as well.
Hormones determine the brain development when out of the womb, so there's another cause, obviously. All the evidence i've seen (which is anecdotal, but, then again, so is pretty much everything else regarding this) suggests that this is a result of environmental issues after birth. Science has already confirmed, for example, that single-motherhood leads to low T (although is not the exclusive cause of low T). I've even seen signs of this, myself, but never got tested. And, if i'm such an individual (it's hard to know for sure, since I was raised with joint custody), I can assure you that the signs of depression I have (which have largely developed recently) were also environmental and social, rather than a mismatch with my brain and hormones.

It's also worth noting that it is common for transgender people to take hormones corresponding to their gender identity; this, aside from the mental effects, will cause them to be physically more like that gender, including such things like physical strength, breast growth, facial hair, and voice dropping. (Obviously, not all for the same people.)
Right, and there's alternative methods of doing this, too. Ask any "drag queen" and you'll find men who are great at appearing as women. I've actually seen asian actors who can appear as women even in underwear., which requires very impressive skill. As far as I know, these asians weren't even taking hormone supplements. But, there could have been photoshop, as this was the internet.

Women appearing as men is harder, but i've seen this in person (seems to me that this is far more common in my area among females than males, which doesn't surprise me given the large amount of women here on birth control and who naturally have PCOS). There seems to be one attribute they have a hard time hiding, but since they're trying to appear masculine more than male (they are usually bi or lesbian), i don't really think they had any inclination to hide that attribute. I am incredibly curious how one would manage to pull that off, though.
Post edited February 20, 2018 by kohlrak
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kohlrak: And, if i'm such an individual (it's hard to know for sure, since I was raised with joint custody), I can assure you that the signs of depression I have (which have largely developed recently) were also environmental and social, rather than a mismatch with my brain and hormones.
There isn't just one cause of depression, and your depression might be a combination of factors.

There are medicines that can treat depression, but it turns out that the medicines needed are different for each person; what works for one person might not work (or even be harmful) for another.
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kohlrak: Women appearing as men is harder, but i've seen this in person (seems to me that this is far more common in my area among females than males, which doesn't surprise me given the large amount of women here on birth control and who naturally have PCOS). There seems to be one attribute they have a hard time hiding, but since they're trying to appear masculine more than male (they are usually bi or lesbian), i don't really think they had any inclination to hide that attribute. I am incredibly curious how one would manage to pull that off, though.
You'd be surprised at how powerful hormones are. A person who is assigned female at birth, but who takes testosterone, will indeed develop male characteristics, including facial hair and a deep voice. Of course, genetics still plays a role in terms of things like how much facial hair he* develops.

* Using a male pronoun here because such a person is most likely a transgender man, and would likely go by male pronouns.
Post edited February 20, 2018 by dtgreene
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kohlrak: And, if i'm such an individual (it's hard to know for sure, since I was raised with joint custody), I can assure you that the signs of depression I have (which have largely developed recently) were also environmental and social, rather than a mismatch with my brain and hormones.
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dtgreene: There isn't just one cause of depression, and your depression might be a combination of factors.

There are medicines that can treat depression, but it turns out that the medicines needed are different for each person; what works for one person might not work (or even be harmful) for another.
Correct, which is why i don't present it as fact. I have other very obvious symptoms of low T, as well, so i do present it as ignoring the correlation would be irresponsible, even if correlation does not imply causation. It is most definitely worth mentioning.
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kohlrak: Women appearing as men is harder, but i've seen this in person (seems to me that this is far more common in my area among females than males, which doesn't surprise me given the large amount of women here on birth control and who naturally have PCOS). There seems to be one attribute they have a hard time hiding, but since they're trying to appear masculine more than male (they are usually bi or lesbian), i don't really think they had any inclination to hide that attribute. I am incredibly curious how one would manage to pull that off, though.
You'd be surprised at how powerful hormones are. A person who is assigned female at birth, but who takes testosterone, will indeed develop male characteristics, including facial hair and a deep voice. Of course, genetics still plays a role in terms of things like how much facial hair he* develops.

* Using a male pronoun here because such a person is most likely a transgender man, and would likely go by male pronouns.
I'm well aware of the effects, as i've seen them first hand, without supplements involved. That said, hormones do not account for all cases of appearing as a different gender. Some people, frankly, are incredibly skilled at it, which is particularly useful for females who wish to attract other females. I've noticed that the attribute that is hard for females to hide tends to be attractive to other females as well. I'm still trying to figure out why this is so, but the only logical explanation i've found so far is this theory that the majority of women are indeed bisexual (i have both a nature and a nurture explanation in development [and both are compatible with both young and old earth viewpoints, which should be enough to make anyone interested], however I'm not willing to talk about this openly on the forums, since it would explode really quickly), despite themselves thinking otherwise. This is backed up by some loose science that is hotly debated, but further studies don't seem to be happening (from my experience, this is a huge indicator that everyone knows the data would be unpopular).
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paladin181: I think the point here is it's far easier and more comfortable to suspend disbelief for things that are way out of whack. This gets into the uncanny valley though. The space between "totally coudn't ever be real" and "it's totally real". There's an area there that's close enough to reality, but just a little off, and your brain doesn't know how to handle it. This is close to that, and the reaction isfrom your brain's confusion on how to handle it. Is it fiction that we can dismiss as totally fun, but not real, or is it reality with real risks and such.

It's like playing a VR game that makes you jump off a building. That can be too much for many people. Some people can separate it out as fiction and woudn't hesitate to jump. Most though have a hesitation as they have to remind themselves it's not real.
I would have to disagree, respectful-like and all - I just don't think that's the right application of the term/concept of 'uncanny valley' esp. given that other populations would not have the same reaction you describe, and you aren't having the same reaction to other characters where you are not viewing them as being across gender.

Likewise, you presumably don't have that reaction when playing a game like perhaps LA Noire, where you're playing a real human, on earth, in a more or less real-to-life set of challenges, whether or not you specifically are a cop.

Personally I perceive it as just an unwillingness to relate from years of observation of how people respond to the question.
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BlueMooner: It's sad how you can't even trust fellow blues online. Makes me blue. Well, bluer. Well, bler... wait, am i Bler?
Bleeeeermoooon
I saw me standing alone
with lots of blue in my avatar
without a thread of my own

Something like that.
Post edited February 20, 2018 by bler144
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CymTyr: I still don't get why women aren't considered equal, in things other than physical strength. Maybe I just answered my own question, though... : /
But women aren't equal to men! We are biologically different. Women can give birth, for instance.
Even within the same gender people are different. Forcing equal treatment of everyone to me means either levelling down (e.g. "carry your own wheelchair up the stairs") or an unjustifiable waste of resources (e.g. men having maternity leaves and going to the gynaecologist).

I see gender discrimination as part of the broader problem of lack of empathy, respect and consideration for other people.
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CymTyr: I still don't get why women aren't considered equal, in things other than physical strength. Maybe I just answered my own question, though... : /
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Gede: But women aren't equal to men! We are biologically different. Women can give birth, for instance.
Even within the same gender people are different. Forcing equal treatment of everyone to me means either levelling down (e.g. "carry your own wheelchair up the stairs") or an unjustifiable waste of resources (e.g. men having maternity leaves and going to the gynaecologist).

I see gender discrimination as part of the broader problem of lack of empathy, respect and consideration for other people.
different doesn't mean unequal
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Gede: But women aren't equal to men! We are biologically different. Women can give birth, for instance.
Even within the same gender people are different. Forcing equal treatment of everyone to me means either levelling down (e.g. "carry your own wheelchair up the stairs") or an unjustifiable waste of resources (e.g. men having maternity leaves and going to the gynaecologist).

I see gender discrimination as part of the broader problem of lack of empathy, respect and consideration for other people.
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tinyE: different doesn't mean unequal
That is a lot of philosophy in a very short sentence, tinyE.

I admit that in some contexts those words can have particular nuances in English that I did not take into proper consideration. As the slogan goes: "we are all different but we are all equals".
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tinyE: different doesn't mean unequal
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Gede: That is a lot of philosophy in a very short sentence, tinyE.

I admit that in some contexts those words can have particular nuances in English that I did not take into proper consideration. As the slogan goes: "we are all different but we are all equals".
and some are more equal then others
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tinyE: different doesn't mean unequal
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Gede: That is a lot of philosophy in a very short sentence, tinyE.
Here is some more:

A karma hit my dogma.
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CymTyr: I still don't get why women aren't considered equal, in things other than physical strength. Maybe I just answered my own question, though... : /
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Gede: But women aren't equal to men! We are biologically different. Women can give birth, for instance.
Even within the same gender people are different. Forcing equal treatment of everyone to me means either levelling down (e.g. "carry your own wheelchair up the stairs") or an unjustifiable waste of resources (e.g. men having maternity leaves and going to the gynaecologist).

I see gender discrimination as part of the broader problem of lack of empathy, respect and consideration for other people.
I get what you're saying, but I respectfully disagree. While I might view gender as binary, I also view men and women equally, just each gender better at certain things.

I have an extremely logical mind on a good day, where my sister might be one of the most empathic people you'd meet. Equal, good in different respects. You get what I'm selling?