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Some people really show a lack of judgement by comparing this case to curation. Whatever you may think of that, it's not the same. Personally I think it's delusional to believe that everyone has to sell whatever you want to buy, regardless of perceived quality, shared values and expectation of sales. It's like if I write a book, send it to a publisher, they refuse it, and then I yell "censorship", because they clearly did not like my stance on "...". No, GOG has the right to decide that Devotion or any other game is not a good fit for their store, it has nothing to do with censorship.

The issue here is that they actually agreed to publish it and then suddenly back-pedalled due to third party pressure. And that the supposedly offensive content isn't even in the game anymore - wasn't even meant to be in the game in the first place, it was just an overlooked placeholder. The game itself doesn't seem to be political, it's just tainted by a silly joke one of the devs made in the past, and they apologized for it, two years ago.
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just as i though the dog went on a downvote rage as he used to :D
come bring those - es mr censorship is only bad if it is against me guy
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dgnfly: My point is (snip)
Your main point (that people shouldn't be hypocrites) is true in general but woefully misapplied when you start yelling "Unless every store stocks everything I want, that must be censorship". It isn't. Censorship is an involuntary decision by nature. That GOG wanted to bring the game here but couldn't for "external reasons" is 1000000x more censorship than "GOG doesn't want Steam's unfinished asset flippers". You are simply trying way too hard to "equalize" a situation that simply isn't equal by misapplying your own misinterpretation of an already clearly defined word.

"Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient".

"GOG doesn't sell 30,000 games like Steam does so that's censorship too" is and always will be an absurd fallacy to try and "equalize". As I said in my first post to you, it's the WHO and the WHY that makes it censorship, not just you can't buy 100% of everything from every competing store.
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I only care about getting Good Old Games here. Devotion is not a Good Old Game.

I'm still waiting for Rainbow Six 3 and Dark Messiah of Might and Magic among others.
xposting this...

The post is right...I really don't care about Devotion...I AM concerned about implications about bowing down to a Communist Government. I don't think it's just bowing down though, I think there's more to it.

Maybe I'm an optimist, but I don't think it's a fear of being Banned in China. I think Cyberpunk's release didn't go as smoothly as it could have, and right now they need to be able to do business on the internet.

The ramifications of releasing the game could have Chinese Hackers up the wazoo for GOG...and cyber attacks, DDOS, and the rest is not something they really can deal with right now on top of everything else they are trying to handle.

I think GOG may release it next year sometime, AFTER things are more settled down and they don't have multiple bonfires burning at the same time.
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AmethystViper: Licking Winnie the Pooh's and CDPR's boots must be a fun hobby for you.
Not licking anything. Just not following mob mentality.
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Orkhepaj: just as i though the dog went on a downvote rage as he used to :D
come bring those - es mr censorship is only bad if it is against me guy
The truly triggered always use the downvote button cause they can't be bothered to make an actual statement/argument. Why actually be knowledgeable? when you can just be an NPC and click on a button and pretend like you made a change.
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Yeshu: NONE of you gave a damn when STEAM banned it, sucking up to China.
I do cared and even if it was true, the "that store did it so why you have problem with this one doing it, too?" argument is stupid. GOG was suppose to be the better store, not "Steam, but smaller".

There are countries doing absolutely disgusting stuff to their own citizens. Does that mean OPoland should do it as well? Of course not.

GOG can block any game on Chinese market they want, I don't give a shit. But I do give a shit when bunch of commie lovers dictate what I can access on my market and what I can't. They have their own country, they are very welcome to turn it into shithole, but fuck off from mine.
Post edited December 18, 2020 by Bambusek
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Orkhepaj: just as i though the dog went on a downvote rage as he used to :D
come bring those - es mr censorship is only bad if it is against me guy
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dgnfly: The truly triggered always use the downvote button cause they can't be bothered to make an actual statement/argument. Why actually be knowledgeable? when you can just be an NPC and click on a button and pretend like you made a change.
they should rename
+ to " this poster is in the same cult as me"
- to " this poster is not my cult's member, post hurts my feelings...bruhuhu"
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dgnfly: The truly triggered always use the downvote button cause they can't be bothered to make an actual statement/argument. Why actually be knowledgeable? when you can just be an NPC and click on a button and pretend like you made a change.
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Orkhepaj: they should rename
+ to " this poster is in the same cult as me"
- to " this poster is not my cult's member, post hurts my feelings...bruhuhu"
All this shows is how bigoted these people actually are and how they are more in line with china's policy. which also censors everything, The standard Western SJW NPC drone, China censorship bad, Western censorship good for the sake of humanity. These people are stuck in their own Hypocritical loop trying to justify their own sense of censorship but whine when China does it or the fact their own progressive governments have been in bed with China for years.
Post edited December 18, 2020 by dgnfly
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I, in several threads wrote what my opinion was, and because of the Streisand Effect, I've now downloaded the game to try it out together with a fellow horror fan (ms mjau sanscript) this weekend.

Meanwhile I'm going to support the developer by buying their former game.

That's how much I care...
Post edited December 18, 2020 by sanscript
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GreywolfLord: xposting this...

The post is right...I really don't care about Devotion...I AM concerned about implications about bowing down to a Communist Government. I don't think it's just bowing down though, I think there's more to it.

Maybe I'm an optimist, but I don't think it's a fear of being Banned in China. I think Cyberpunk's release didn't go as smoothly as it could have, and right now they need to be able to do business on the internet.

The ramifications of releasing the game could have Chinese Hackers up the wazoo for GOG...and cyber attacks, DDOS, and the rest is not something they really can deal with right now on top of everything else they are trying to handle.

I think GOG may release it next year sometime, AFTER things are more settled down and they don't have multiple bonfires burning at the same time.
I think the majority of people making a big fuss about this actually believe that GoG could just hide the game from people in China and the CCP wouldn't retaliate. That China is some democratic nation that just so happens to have an authortarian government.

You are right though, way old news but I remember when China had its hackers go after Google for not bowing down to them (in the late 1990's). Looks like they're still doing it even today... but the repercussions for being on China's bad side goes from as little as death threats against your loved ones to you disappearing off the face of the earth.
Welp from my interpretation of the situation wether GOG just wants to be a games company and not a political tool is irrelevant; if it's going to be used as a political tool on both sides and suffer the consequences of backlash if they do anything about it in line with 'what they desire'.

Don't blame your user base, we just want to play games and not be dictated to by some realistically non-authority.

Have fun being a political tool to both sides of the debate i'm sure you'll lose customers any direction you choose to go in.
Little heads up though China's being rather antagonistic at the moment and the rest of the world isn't liking it; probably wouldn't put my eggs in that basket until the worlds forced into an orwelian communism.
Not a political view just an observation as to business risk if it's a choice situation your making (which you are).
Got to love those shit test style moments in life where there's only black and white and no finesse to wheel in.
"GOG members act like triggered snowflakes"
"wanting to censor a word cause it triggered feelings"
"how a triggered few now get to decide"

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dgnfly: The truly triggered always use the downvote button
You must use it a lot then since it looks like you're quite triggered by other people being triggered.
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dgnfly: My point is to point out people's own hypocrisy in judging others...

"these people", "these people", "the same group of people", "people like you", "morons like you", "triggered snowflakes", "triggered feelings", "triggered few", "these people", "you people", "the truly triggered", "bigoted these people are", etc.
^ You simply cannot see the irony in your "anti-judgement" posts, can you?
Post edited December 18, 2020 by BrianSim