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Arundir: Selling stuff from Epic Games months after the FCKDRM campaign is just a joke and a slap into the face of every customer who chose GOG because of that campaign.
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Dray2k: All of this is true. Still, i think that the GOG staff know more about the situation then we do. Perhaps they were forced to make compromises and knew the possible blowback but general analysis of the datapoints that they've accumulated thoughout the time (through community interaction or by pitting customer GOGs core audience vs sales numbers vs consumer interest or whatever else they do).

Its not silly to assume that they know way more than any of us and are making decision according of what they know is all I'm saying.
Aye, we can only assume the direction GOG is heading towards and money is the arbiter. I do not use Galaxy, so i will never see those Epic Games related games, but I am not sure I will be buying here anything anymore.

"Epic Games owns video game developers Chair Entertainment and Psyonix, as well as cloud-based software developer Cloudgine, and operates eponymous sub-studios in Seattle, England, Berlin, Yokohama and Seoul. While Sweeney remains the majority shareholder, Tencent acquired a 48.4% outstanding stake, equating to 40% of total Epic, in the company in 2012, as part of an agreement aimed at moving Epic towards a games as a service model." - Wikipedia
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TheDudeLebowski: GOG was spared because the goal was to crack the DRM and make a statement. However, 2 days ago, Illegal copies of GOG games have started popping up everywhere (when the announcement was made).
Source?

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Disclaimer: I do not work for GOG.com, nor am I paid by GOG.com. All views expressed in this post are my own, and do not represent the views of GOG.com or it's employees. My views are expressed as a fan, gamer, and fellow GOG user... that is all. Thank you
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GameN16bit: I mean has been pretty clear what the intention here is. They consider GOG.com one store within Galaxy and the GOG.com store is not changing.
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GameN16bit: That could happen, but Steam is so big that they really have no reason too... not yet anyway. Now if Galaxy starts gaining real traction and is viewed as a threat then Valve might do that.
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GameN16bit: The chances of that are slim IMO.
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GameN16bit: Is there? GOG has been doing this for a long time and still only has maybe 10% and that is if the game releases on the same day as Steam, Epic, etc. Only with the changes and introduction of Galaxy have they seen real growth and better releases.
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GameN16bit: Steam could for sure, but has no real reason too... if they do, it because they see Galaxy as a threat. There is no unique value proposition if you are only a GOG.com user. But if you use Epic Games there is value here. There is for sure a chance this will not work out the way GOG believes, I will give you that, but I think the potential reward is greater then the risk IMO.
This is one way of interpreting things, but you and I obviously have differing opinions on the perceived benefits that this move will provide to GOG. While it is completely fine to disagree on this topic, I have not read anything here which makes me feel better about this announcement. I guess we'll just have to wait for further information from GOG and see how this all plays out.
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TheDudeLebowski: GOG was spared because the goal was to crack the DRM and make a statement. However, 2 days ago, Illegal copies of GOG games have started popping up everywhere (when the announcement was made).
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GameN16bit: Source?
You can find them literally anywhere, it's part of the 'problem' DRM-Free brings in the eyes of publishers/devs
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GameN16bit: Source?
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Linko64: You can find them literally anywhere, it's part of the 'problem' DRM-Free brings in the eyes of publishers/devs
Yes but that has always been the case really... nice to see you though Linko.

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Disclaimer: I do not work for GOG.com, nor am I paid by GOG.com. All views expressed in this post are my own, and do not represent the views of GOG.com or it's employees. My views are expressed as a fan, gamer, and fellow GOG user... that is all. Thank you
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Arundir: "Epic Games owns video game developers Chair Entertainment and Psyonix, as well as cloud-based software developer Cloudgine, and operates eponymous sub-studios in Seattle, England, Berlin, Yokohama and Seoul. While Sweeney remains the majority shareholder, Tencent acquired a 48.4% outstanding stake, equating to 40% of total Epic, in the company in 2012, as part of an agreement aimed at moving Epic towards a games as a service model." - Wikipedia
Yeah, things are turning into hypercapitalism in an alarming state, especially with companies like Tencent and Amazon.

The irony is that the entire system would collapse in seconds if not for capitalism. We've simply became too life dependant to consume and to exist solely consumerism regardless of any of the moral that we have. Even if its goodwill. I do assume that we've reached past the event horizon as well. So if capitalism ceases to exist so would we, unfortunately. I think the only system change that may help is a regulated social market economy or a stable liberitarian government that helps its population due to UBI and through technocracy. Only if its regulated on a planetary scale or otherwise the circle will repeat again.

I mean even a small kid understands that conglomates that make things or perform services are not real people without morals. GOG always has fought an uphill battle I've written this many times, including two times in this thread. Capitalism and a stable moral compass don't work well together so I don't get why people act suprised about the news as shits been noticeable for a real long time now. Hell, the same discussion happened during the Amiga days during the late 80s and possibly even before that. Most sceners at least have their hearts close to anarchy after all. There is a good reason why the idea of GOG become this widespread even through word of mouth. Hell, I remember to read that one of the founders of GOG was a scener himself. But everyone regardless of their philosophical and moral compass has to bow down before the almighty dollar, the god of humanity.

Let me phrase it differently. It sucks to say it but GOG always has been peak tiny dick energy right from the start and anyone including me were absolute suckers for believing otherwise. They actually wanted to please the people by providing a good service and through good morals. Unlike EGS, which simply takes away what they want like any bigboi business would've done. And apparantly people like that sort of thing because big fish has always eaten the little fish. If the society is entirely built around the idea of hypercapitalistic competition and use of their abilities/resources/general capital the company with the actual elbows will always win. It really comes to no surprise that in the worst case GOG is in a way worse position than assumed, but at any case it could still be something else. In the world of capital, the one with the largest elbows is king.

There has to be a system in place that promotes many smaller market places and not a few larger ones while having the rights set in place so they don't immediately vanish. A real heaven for any polypolistic cluster to flourish.

At least we have some competition, any of this discussion is way better than Valve having the full monopoly until they're bought by an even bigger fish who simply piqued interest in the business and has the capital to spend. I'd even prefer to get downvoted so hard I get -430 or whatever compared to having no competitive market in the first place. So this discussion is good after all.

Unrelated to the topic but I can't wait for World War 3 to happen when its not states but rather Tencent vs Amazon duking it out Godzilla vs King Kong style or something.
Post edited October 04, 2020 by Dray2k
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TheDudeLebowski: GOG was spared because the goal was to crack the DRM and make a statement. However, 2 days ago, Illegal copies of GOG games have started popping up everywhere (when the announcement was made).
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GameN16bit: Source?
That's a trap, if I ever saw one.

But you can write it off as the same with your claim that this move GOG is making will increase GOG's exposure and bring more titles in.

I'm assuming Skyrim isn't here yet because GOG's market share and sales are not big enough and not because it's a cash cow under DRM usage? Nevermind that Bethesda has released a bunch of other titles on GOG, DRM-free.

Increased sales may be attributed to Galaxy and Cyberpunk 2077, yet they also may be attributed to a substantial increase in GOG's game roster, or a gradual trust of consumers in their FCKDRM beliefs, or to extensive YouTube support, or to the occasional freebies, or to the giveaway and trading threads in the forum, or due to the forum overall, or all of the above, or even none of the above.

Bottom line is, you don't know, I don't know, and the marketing department doesn't know. We can all guess.

However, if said move betrays GOG's supporters due to failing to uphold the "cause", even if it's simply by casually enabling DRM support, what happens when GOG's old supporters leave?

In any case, writing all this has made me realize that this is so left-field, it might as well be a prank from GOG's marketing department or simply 2020 being 2020.

"Ah, fck it," as The Dude would say.
Post edited October 04, 2020 by TheDudeLebowski
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Dray2k:
OO - let's not derail this thread with visions of versions of global government, but I get your point.
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Linko64: You can find them literally anywhere, it's part of the 'problem' DRM-Free brings in the eyes of publishers/devs
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GameN16bit: Yes but that has always been the case really... nice to see you though Linko.
Always will be too, just part of the parcel, though i don't think the Epic news will change that much. I appear from time to time, not dead yet, God willing!
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SpikedWallMan: I guess we'll just have to wait for further information from GOG and see how this all plays out.
That's the sensible position to take, and hey I'm all for being skeptical... it's not like there aren't valid reasons to be. Ultimately I think we all want the same thing, GOG to get more DRM Free games and to keep releasing DRM Free games here on the store. I just have a different opinion about how GOG can further that goal then many "old" time users. I do not see offering Epic games as giving up on DRM Free, I see it as a way to further DRM Free by trying to increase market share and giving publishers a larger user base to want to release DRM Free games into. This may fail, that is true, but it may not also.

Either way, I appreciate your views on this... thanks.

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Disclaimer: I do not work for GOG.com, nor am I paid by GOG.com. All views expressed in this post are my own, and do not represent the views of GOG.com or it's employees. My views are expressed as a fan, gamer, and fellow GOG user... that is all. Thank you
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Arundir: *snip*
[Modded - Please leave politics out of this and do not intentionally insult or offend others. Thank you]

EDIT: Will follow the rules from now on, my mistake for being overtly rude myself due to the "heated up" discussion and peception regarding any of the the contents of this topic that people bought up. I will also refrain to make any jokes regarding genitals now as well :D!
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Lets leave politics out of this please... thank you.
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Dray2k: snip
This is uncalled for as well, please edit the second part of your post or I will. Consider this a warning, please refrain from posting things like this. Thank you.

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Disclaimer: I do not work for GOG.com, nor am I paid by GOG.com. All views expressed in this post are my own, and do not represent the views of GOG.com or it's employees. My views are expressed as a fan, gamer, and fellow GOG user... that is all. Thank you
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GameN16bit: Lets leave politics out of this please... thank you.
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Dray2k: snip
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GameN16bit: This is uncalled for as well, please edit the second part of your post or I will. Consider this a warning, please refrain from posting things like this. Thank you.
How interesting. Now you actually seem to be moderating. Because elsewhere in this thread, you come across as an instigator, an opinion pusher, and a troll.

Or is it .. revenge?
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StarChan: How interesting. Now you actually seem to be moderating. Because elsewhere in this thread, you come across as an instigator, an opinion pusher, and a troll.

Or is it .. revenge?
If you think I've somehow broken the rules, you are more then welcome to take it up with GOG... I however, don't believe I have. I am entitled to have an opinion, even if that opinion is "your view on this issue is total nonsense". But to each their own.

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Disclaimer: I do not work for GOG.com, nor am I paid by GOG.com. All views expressed in this post are my own, and do not represent the views of GOG.com or it's employees. My views are expressed as a fan, gamer, and fellow GOG user... that is all. Thank you
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GameN16bit: Lets leave politics out of this please... thank you.

This is uncalled for as well, please edit the second part of your post or I will. Consider this a warning, please refrain from posting things like this. Thank you.
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StarChan: How interesting. Now you actually seem to be moderating. Because elsewhere in this thread, you come across as an instigator, an opinion pusher, and a troll.

Or is it .. revenge?
I wrote a comment after reading the first paragraph which was provoking, altered it after having read the next paragraph. I guess my first unaltered comment was the reason for his answer. Dray2k and me resolved it in chat, everything is dandy.
Post edited October 04, 2020 by Arundir