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I hope the Linux version will also be available, would be massively disappointed if it doesn't.
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keeveek: I think GOG should only sell outdated game packages that aren't sold anywhere else anymore, because that will guarantee GOG will never go out of business.

I mean, I don't want NWN Enhanced edition, so nobody should be able to buy it here.
Hu?

What angers people is that with NWN EE released for $20 NWN Diamond for $10 will leave the store. And maybe you even have to pay extra for the soundtrack which was formerly included (remains to be seen). So anyone just wanting to buy NWN in the future has to pay $20+ instead of $10, regardsless if they are interested in multiplayer or 4k scaling UI or not.
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toxicTom: And maybe you even have to pay extra for the soundtrack which was formerly included (remains to be seen).
The following has been written many times, but it seems to be necessary to keep repeating the information:

So far none of the bundled soundtracks has been removed. For each game the old soundtrack is still an extra of the classic version that is sold together with each enhanced edition. The new soundtrack option is for new lossless music files (i.e. higher quality) that have not been sold before. I don't see a problem in adding optional new files.

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If I assume that the price on GOG will be similar to that on Steam the complete EE will cost more than 50 €. I'm not happy about that.
So it is reasonable to buy games even if you're not going to play them straight away.
I'm a happy owner of NND, thanks to compulsive purchases of some GOG bundles.
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BeatriceElysia: They also didn't add NWN EE achievements to steam version, probably due to all mods you need to install.
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Dark_Ansem: They are working on them, AFAIK.

However, I am in absolute dismay at the negative comments. The Diamond Edition has been on GOG for years. If someone wanted it so badly, perhaps that someone should have got it before, you know, a better performing remake came out?
Beamdog clearly hasn't got what it takes to make new games, so I applaud them for carving out a niche making dodgy "enhanced editions" and forcing people to buy them if they want the originals -- and to hell with the fools that haven't got the sense to recognize the value of "progress". That's right, progress! -- that will improve our quality of life by leaps and bounds! So if you're asking how much it's going to cost, you're not doing it right! Because progress is priceless!
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Wolfy777: <snip>
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Leroux: <snip>
Thank you for clearing that up. :)
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ciemnogrodzianin: So it is reasonable to buy games even if you're not going to play them straight away.
I do this all the time. :) Hard to avoid this in these times. I have tons of games just waiting for their turn.
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toxicTom: And maybe you even have to pay extra for the soundtrack which was formerly included (remains to be seen).
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mk47at: The following has been written many times, but it seems to be necessary to keep repeating the information:

So far none of the bundled soundtracks has been removed. For each game the old soundtrack is still an extra of the classic version that is sold together with each enhanced edition. The new soundtrack option is for new lossless music files (i.e. higher quality) that have not been sold before. I don't see a problem in adding optional new files.

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If I assume that the price on GOG will be similar to that on Steam the complete EE will cost more than 50 €. I'm not happy about that.
I just checked the BG1EE and BG2EE soundtrack DLC and it says the soundtrack is available in both MP3 and FLAC formats. If what you're saying is true, then Beamdog is being rather silly to include MP3s in the paid DLC when a code for classic bg1 or bg 2, with the MP3 format soundtrack, comes with each EE purchase.
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IwubCheeze: I just checked the BG1EE and BG2EE soundtrack DLC and it says the soundtrack is available in both MP3 and FLAC formats. If what you're saying is true, then Beamdog is being rather silly to include MP3s in the paid DLC when a code for classic bg1 or bg 2, with the MP3 format soundtrack, comes with each EE purchase.
I don't think the old ones were 320, unlike the DLC versions. More like 192 or something.
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IwubCheeze: I just checked the BG1EE and BG2EE soundtrack DLC and it says the soundtrack is available in both MP3 and FLAC formats. If what you're saying is true, then Beamdog is being rather silly to include MP3s in the paid DLC when a code for classic bg1 or bg 2, with the MP3 format soundtrack, comes with each EE purchase.
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Aemenyn: I don't think the old ones were 320, unlike the DLC versions. More like 192 or something.
You're right, my BG2 MP3s are 192kbps

Edit: I downloaded the BG2 soundtrack again just to be sure and the soundtrack with the classic version is 320kbps, not 192 as I originally thought. However, the DLC does have the TOB tracks but the original doesn't.

Edit2: The BG1 soundtrack is 128kbps
Post edited October 11, 2018 by IwubCheeze
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Nicole28: You are claiming backwards upside down that GOG is responsible for the take-down of the Diamond edition (wow, GOG suddenly own the rights to beamdog now, just because beamdog sold a game here!), except GOG is responsible for nothing. Only the product creator/IP holder/publisher/ have the right to decide whether their products will go on or off for sale at the store. GOG does not interfere (and cannot) with any general product decisions. I don't even know how you can say something like that with a straight face, if you aren't new to gaming.
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Dark_Ansem: Because, unlike you, I have more than a bit of basic knowledge of how the law works. I couldn't care less about you downvoting me.
Despite the attempt at some haughty authoritative tone, it's clear you actually understand almost nothing about IP law, and Nicole28's post was actually correct. BeamDog were caught out changing their story multiple times before first claiming GOG then later Hasbro 'forced' them to remove the original versions. And not even their legal team, but rather amateurish sh*t-stirring conspiratorial based community posts which have since been quietly deleted... When someone contacted Hasbro directly they happily clarified the legal IP position once and for all - Hasbro in no way, shape or form is preventing NWN:DE from being sold, and BeamDog's new NWN:EE release does not nullify their earlier acquired distribution rights for NWN:DE. The decision to remove the NWN:DE version from various online stores is 100% BeamDog's. That's from the people who sold BeamDog the right to sell / "enhance" NWN in the first place. So your "basic legal knowledge" beliefs are irrelevant when it's already established fact by both GOG & Hasbro - it's 100% up to BeamDog what to sell / pull from sale and Hasbro cannot retroactively demand a game not be sold simply because the new owners released a glorified v1.80 patch, doubled the price and called it an "Enhanced Edition".

Neither does GOG force any developer / publisher to pull their old games versions just because they make a new HD / "Enhanced" re-release. That's why you still have the choice of buying Avernum Complete Saga (2000) vs Avernum 1-3 HD (2012, 2015, 2018), or Shadow Warrior Classic vs Redux, or Leisure Suit Larry Original (1987) vs Reloaded (2013), etc. Others, eg, Day of The Tentacle may choose to remove the originals, however that decision to remove / leave the older version up when releasing a new "HD" one is entirely up to the publishers and isn't done / not done due to "GOG threats".

If you want to buy NWN:EE personally, then fine go ahead. Just stop acting like an obvious troll continuing to recirculate the long disproven lies & conspiracy theories about GOG / Hasbro "threatening" BeamDog into not selling classic versions when the real legal facts are the exact opposite - it's 100% BeamDog's decision that's pulling non-EE versions from sale on GOG / Steam as standalone classic editions for very obvious reasons regarding how absurd the new $40 NWN:EE Deluxe looks side by side vs $10 DE discounted -80% to $2 in sale pricing disparities for what's basically a glorified v1.80 patch and 4x minor "DLC" (of which the best one was made completely free in 2006 to everyone anyway)...
Post edited October 11, 2018 by AB2012
When buying the EE edition, the Diamond edition, and eveything that comes with it, INCLUDING the soundtrack) will still be there.

Nothing has been taken from it.
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retsushi: When buying the EE edition, the Diamond edition, and eveything that comes with it, INCLUDING the soundtrack) will still be there.

Nothing has been taken from it.
Correct. But it costs twice as much. There are a lot of knotted nickers over this.

The funniest part is that most of the folks with bunched underwear, already own the Diamond Edition.
I own EE and have been blissfully enjoying it each weekend for roughly two months. For me, returning to NWN is a matter of overwhelming nostalgia. I already owned two copies of Diamond, one copy of Platinum, one original copy, and one collector's edition box copy. Obviously, I've shared my excess disks and keys with various friends and strangers. I'm a fan.

For all others who do not drink the nostalgia nectar, I think the question boils down to whether or not you appreciate multiplayer CRPGs and if you are sure you will commit to NWN's multiplayer (which many would say is the gem of the game, along with story-driven custom campaigns).

To be clear, Beamdog is actively working on EE and have released fixes for many long-standing bugs. It remains to be seen how successful their first major content or engine changes will be, or when those will arrive. It may be prudent to wait until their first "major" changes are released and judge how to proceed from there. There are numerous specious and weak arguments here that are rife with misinformation and appeals to emotion. Again, Beamdog is actively working on NWN:EE and has already released numerous- but rather conservative- patches that focus on fixing longstanding bugs in both the engine and the toolset. They have not yet released major overhauls or new content additions. It is currently assumed (based on live-streams) that the first major change will be releasing Neverwinter Nights on mobile devices, which is intended to increase the user base for multiplayer activities. The second major release is predicted to be "NWSync", which will allow users to automatically download required custom content when playing on multiplayer servers.

From an ethical perspective, Beamdog should coordinate with GOG to subsidize the price and provide a credit for users who purchased Diamond Edition on GOG after the Enhanced Edition was released. This would likely still result in net profit for Beamdog and would reflect positively on them as a new developer. Recall how Bethesda treated customers who had already purchased Skyrim Legendary Edition when Special Edition was released.

From a "what do you get" standpoint, currently I'd say EE is a worthy purchase if you intend to commit to playing multiplayer on persistent worlds and to otherwise delve into custom content and modding. Many servers have already transitioned to EE and it is unequivocally a minority of servers that intend to remain in stasis on version 1.69 permanently. Please do not purchase EE if your goal is to play the official single-player campaign and expansions. It's not worth it in that case, especially if you already own Diamond. It might someday be, but definitely not at the present time.

Feel free to message me for more questions, screenshots etc. Unlike many other commentators here, I am 1) informed about NWN 2) own EE and 3) actually play EE regularly.
Post edited October 11, 2018 by trueshot
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Dark_Ansem: Because, unlike you, I have more than a bit of basic knowledge of how the law works. I couldn't care less about you downvoting me.
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AB2012: Despite the attempt at some haughty authoritative tone, it's clear you actually understand almost nothing about IP law, and Nicole28's post was actually correct. BeamDog were caught out changing their story multiple times before first claiming GOG then later Hasbro 'forced' them to remove the original versions. And not even their legal team, but rather amateurish sh*t-stirring conspiratorial based community posts which have since been quietly deleted... When someone contacted Hasbro directly they happily clarified the legal IP position once and for all - Hasbro in no way, shape or form is preventing NWN:DE from being sold, and BeamDog's new NWN:EE release does not nullify their earlier acquired distribution rights for NWN:DE. The decision to remove the NWN:DE version from various online stores is 100% BeamDog's. That's from the people who sold BeamDog the right to sell / "enhance" NWN in the first place. So your "basic legal knowledge" beliefs are irrelevant when it's already established fact by both GOG & Hasbro - it's 100% up to BeamDog what to sell / pull from sale and Hasbro cannot retroactively demand a game not be sold simply because the new owners released a glorified v1.80 patch, doubled the price and called it an "Enhanced Edition".

Neither does GOG force any developer / publisher to pull their old games versions just because they make a new HD / "Enhanced" re-release. That's why you still have the choice of buying Avernum Complete Saga (2000) vs Avernum 1-3 HD (2012, 2015, 2018), or Shadow Warrior Classic vs Redux, or Leisure Suit Larry Original (1987) vs Reloaded (2013), etc. Others, eg, Day of The Tentacle may choose to remove the originals, however that decision to remove / leave the older version up when releasing a new "HD" one is entirely up to the publishers and isn't done / not done due to "GOG threats".

If you want to buy NWN:EE personally, then fine go ahead. Just stop acting like an obvious troll continuing to recirculate the long disproven lies & conspiracy theories about GOG / Hasbro "threatening" BeamDog into not selling classic versions when the real legal facts are the exact opposite - it's 100% BeamDog's decision that's pulling non-EE versions from sale on GOG / Steam as standalone classic editions for very obvious reasons regarding how absurd the new $40 NWN:EE Deluxe looks side by side vs $10 DE discounted -80% to $2 in sale pricing disparities for what's basically a glorified v1.80 patch and 4x minor "DLC" (of which the best one was made completely free in 2006 to everyone anyway)...
I got the game on Steam because I'm not a whiny cretin like you. Also, unlike you, I know what working means and therefore choose to support someone who else knows what work is. You are definitely the reason why the DWP has a reason to exist, even as inhunman as it is now.

So, two official statements from both GOG and Beamdog which demonstrate you have no clue:

https://www.gog.com/forum/baldurs_gate_series/regarding_the_removal_of_the_original_ie_games_from_sale_on_gog

https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/71235/darkness-over-daggerford-whats-going-on-here

Idiot.

PS: I don't care about your mutual circlejerk of mobsters downvoting me.
Also, moderators, really? Are you sleeping?
Post edited October 11, 2018 by Dark_Ansem