Posted July 18, 2018

richlind33
bong hits for beelzebub
Registered: Jan 2016
From United States

richlind33
bong hits for beelzebub
Registered: Jan 2016
From United States

Lord_Kane
Leaf Kaigai Nikki
Registered: Mar 2009
From Canada
Posted July 18, 2018


However, to be fair, and frank I can see how that would upset people, so I get why such mods exist
Man I must seem like dr. jekyll and mr hyde at times holy shit.

morolf
I own Komodo dragons as pets
Registered: Aug 2012
From Germany
Posted July 18, 2018

Choice in an rpg should include the choice to do things generally regarded as evil today.
Post edited July 18, 2018 by morolf

ZFR
I love gold!
Registered: Jan 2010
From Ireland

richlind33
bong hits for beelzebub
Registered: Jan 2016
From United States
Posted July 19, 2018


However, to be fair, and frank I can see how that would upset people, so I get why such mods exist
Man I must seem like dr. jekyll and mr hyde at times holy shit.
Obviously we have to draw a line somewhere, and we do, but we're failing badly in how we're going about it; primarily, I think, because we never ask ourselves why it is that we haven't overcome our predisposition to violence and exploitation -- the answer to which would lead us to identifying the core problem, and it's corresponding solution.
Does art imitate life, or does life imitate art? Neither, because it isn't an either/or proposition -- both occur at the same time, but the majority of us seem incapable of perceiving this logical fallacy, which strongly suggests that human civilization is philosophically bankrupt.
Post edited July 19, 2018 by richlind33

morolf
I own Komodo dragons as pets
Registered: Aug 2012
From Germany

richlind33
bong hits for beelzebub
Registered: Jan 2016
From United States
Posted July 19, 2018


But I will say that it isn't because human nature is inherently violent and selfish, because human nature is not immutable.
Post edited July 19, 2018 by richlind33

morolf
I own Komodo dragons as pets
Registered: Aug 2012
From Germany
Posted July 19, 2018

Even the killing of animals for food is controversial among many Westerners today.
Of course such processes of pacification could eventually be reversed.

dtgreene
vaccines work she/her
Registered: Jan 2010
From United States
Posted July 19, 2018
low rated


Choice in an rpg should include the choice to do things generally regarded as evil today.
1. There is a choice to be made, and both choices are viable (as in, the game doesn't get unreasonably difficult if you choose to not keep slaves).
2. The game doesn't encourage you to keep slaves; as in, the game doesn't present keeping slaves as the good and noble thing to do, and doesn't keep pressuring you to keep them.
In the hypothetical game I am talking about, keeping slaves would be presented as a good thing to do, and te game would be designed with the assumption that you would keep the slaves; if there's an option to not keep slaves, laking that option would either make the game frustratingly difficult, or would lead to an immediate game over or softlock.
Edit: Another thing that could be problematic, of course, is if an NPC who is clearlly supposed to be good (particularly if that character is a Paladin whose character sheet says they're Lawful Good) keeps slaves. Incidentally, Baldur's Gate 2 has racist characters who are Lawful Good, including the Paladin (albeit with a kit that lacks the abilities generally associated with that class).
Post edited July 19, 2018 by dtgreene

Lord_Kane
Leaf Kaigai Nikki
Registered: Mar 2009
From Canada
Posted July 19, 2018

However, to be fair, and frank I can see how that would upset people, so I get why such mods exist
Man I must seem like dr. jekyll and mr hyde at times holy shit.

Obviously we have to draw a line somewhere, and we do, but we're failing badly in how we're going about it; primarily, I think, because we never ask ourselves why it is that we haven't overcome our predisposition to violence and exploitation -- the answer to which would lead us to identifying the core problem, and it's corresponding solution.
Does art imitate life, or does life imitate art? Neither, because it isn't an either/or proposition -- both occur at the same time, but the majority of us seem incapable of perceiving this logical fallacy, which strongly suggests that human civilization is philosophically bankrupt.
I dont know, humans are bankrupt by nature richlind and this will never change, hell you and I are bankrupt in some form in some way.
thats how I look at it at least.
but if you feel morally better by removing that mechanic from the game via a mod, all the power to you, after you give steam the money its "your" game technically.
Post edited July 19, 2018 by Lord_Kane

morolf
I own Komodo dragons as pets
Registered: Aug 2012
From Germany
Posted July 19, 2018

However, I'd like to see a representation of slavery in an rpg where it isn't depicted as just being evil like some sadistic cartoon villain. It would be great if one could play a character that is either indifferent towards slavery, regards it as a necessary evil ("hierarchies are needed for society to function, but we should treat slaves humanely") or explicitly affirms it ("the weak should serve the strong"), It would be interesting to have an rpg that isn't just based on present-day morality.

Post edited July 19, 2018 by morolf

tort1234
Realist
Registered: May 2015
From United States
Posted July 19, 2018
The OP is very good and inventing sexism and homophobia in places where they don't exist.
I swear I can make a pizza and the OP will find something sexist about it since it was made by a man.
The mental gymnastics these mentally unstable people play in their minds is truly amazing.
I swear I can make a pizza and the OP will find something sexist about it since it was made by a man.
The mental gymnastics these mentally unstable people play in their minds is truly amazing.

richlind33
bong hits for beelzebub
Registered: Jan 2016
From United States
Posted July 19, 2018


Even the killing of animals for food is controversial among many Westerners today.
Of course such processes of pacification could eventually be reversed.

Bad Hair Day
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