Well, if that`s right, then it means that PEGIDA is controlled by the "Verfassungsschutz", because all of the extreme right parties are controlled by it. There was a try to forbid NPD, but couldn`t be done, because most of the leaders of NPD are agents of the Verfassungsschutz. It`s likely still the same nowadays.

By the way: What is "Breitbart"?

I edited the OP a second time so my train of thoughts will be less obscure ^o^

See, it's like Eva Hermann. Saying some far out far right things doesn't make you a Nazi. But some of those things sure are bathed in the brown sauce, and it sticks to the shoe like glue.

The difference between the NPD and Pegida is mainly that Pegida is a religious i.e. Christian supremacist group in addition to being nationalist supremacist. Both groups aim to protect 'their' culture against the foreign, and to that end put a protective repellant coat of hostility around it.

Me, I think the foreign culture is the Christian culture. Damn Rome for wiping OUR culture, the wonderful December 25th solstice and appraisal celebration of Sol Invictus, out in favor of this Christmas thing from that Middle Eastern religious cult with all its strange rituals. They've invaded our politics and even have entire powerful political parties named after their religion. Now listen to their crocodile tears just because the muslim population in Germany approaches a pitiful 5%. Ohhhhh "our culture" is endangered. Theirs, maybe. Mine, not at all. Ohhhh "they" don't respect "our" laws.

The Pegida crapheads may not all be nazis, but they are bumfuckingly stupid.


A website so far on the right that it bursts through the farthest right frontier you'll ever find around the German political spectrum.

Not even the fucking NPD would support Donald Trump.

You mean to say, that nobody in this movement ever mostly cared about the severe misogyny, homophobia, looking down at other beliefs, inducing violent thoughts and other severe crap from Islam (i.e. Quran)? This would be sad.
How could you know? Do you know them all personally? At least one? I figured you more like the kind of person that doesn't talk to just anyone and likes his sworn enemies at a distance to not accidentally begin understanding them in part.
The first time I've heard about this movement on the radio many months ago it was such a one-sided "Nazi"-bashing without reporting about anything they actually say, that I accepted, that I won't get to know anything substantial about them easily so I ended up not judging the group at all.

Regarding the Christian colour of the German state:
I'd be the first to get rid of it since it's unconstitutional anyway.
I want strict separation of Church and State all the way without exceptions.

Regarding Eva Hermann:
Even conservatives we don't aggree with have the right of free speech and shouldn't be silenced, although I don't like them to have authority over me either of course (see CDU).
What this culture here lacks is the respect for differing opinions and political engagement of the complainers.
If I remember correctly, you are a non-voter.

Speaking of "divide and conquer":
That's what this whole artificial "left vs. right" thing you are so entangled in is all about:
Keeping the little ones at each other's throats so that they don't rage upwards.

I mean to say, their angle is the Christian culture. The abendländische Tradition. Which would mean that they don't care about the severe misogyny, homophobia, looking down at other beliefs, inducing violent thoughts and other severe crap from Christianity i.e. the Bible, but still criticise the same stuff in the foreign religious texts, which for them readily damns the entirety of religious followers. Does that seem right to you?

I'm with you in separating religion and state completely. Which won't happen, and that tells you how 'endangered' the abendländische Tradition really is by an "invading" muslim religion.

42 percent for the combination of Christian Democratic Union and Christian Social Union this last election. And where's our muslim party? Where is it? Where is that army of muslim invaders?

I doubt that. Only 20% of Dresden's citizens are christian and all churches clearly distanced themselves from groups like PEGIDA. PEGIDA is islamophobic for sure, but the majority of followers is probably not christian.

It's ironic how Christianity is blamed for so many of Europe's problems when nowadays only a couple of percent of the population of the Union of European Socialist Republics are practicing this religion.

Bump with now a somewhat English translation of the press conference of the Mayor of Cologne/Köln which I linked earlier with the famous "code of conduct" for women:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mayor-of-cologne-says-women-should-have-code-of-conduct-to-prevent-future-assault-a6798186.html

Funnily enough, on the #koln hashtag, I bumped on a picture claimed as taken in the train station this night:
https://twitter.com/akademihen/status/684483539144945664
=> the "arm distance" in such cases is really laughable.......
===>> Also, the game is to spot the lady in the picture.....

BTW, if some Germans could confirm it's really the Köln train station shown in the pic.....

"Mayor Reker also said a “better explanation” to asylum seekers was needed about the meaning of the annual carnivals."
"We need to prevent confusion about what constitutes happy behaviour and what is utterly separate from openness, especially in sexual behaviour,"

After reading this and the rest of the article I'm still betting on my guess I posted earlier.

Well, as far as I`ve read the thread, it`s as civil as a thread like this can be. :-)
Of course, it`s one of those topics which can easyly lead to anger, but we have no war in this thread, yet.

Spain, Italy? Ireland?
Otoh in the eastern block religion was mostly banned so probably one reason why there are more religious people there is exactly because of that previous ban.

Well, I understand you. The problem is, that a thread goes it`s way, and there`s nothing you can do before it goes down the drain. Sadly there are people in this world who happyly (Somehow this word looks wrong!) take the chance to destroy every possibillity to have a civilized conversation.
Yeah, the taste of a forbidden fruit!!!! That`s why youths watch porn, smoke cigarettes or take drugs: Because it`s forbidden!