Noticed the self promotion as well... goes with the bouncer territory I think... And the translation was indeed a bit iffy. You probably followed the german but maybe noticed the "shooting" for what was probably shouting? That one certainly jumped at me as an obvious mistake / exaggeration. That said, I see more and more mentions of cries and addressing the victims in English, which could indicate the reaction to this about the perpetrators being already naturalized germans could be mistaken. Too muddled to know for now - there's ideological reasons to see refugees in this, just as there are ideological reasons to not see refugees in this.

And you know what's worse? If and when the police identifies suspects their data will probably be protected, letting each group basically carry on un-informed with their assumptions. Without publishing names or addresses the immigration status of suspects would seem to be information of public interest and not individually sensitive. Agree?

I thought that was referring to shooting rockets at the public, which is reportedly what "they" did too? What did it say in German, was it really "shouting" and not "shooting"?

I admit the translation could have also been understood as shooting with guns, which apparently is not what happened?

Well, shooting fireworks / rockets at cops could make sense. If indeed that was the case this slides even more into riot / mass assault than it does theft on a grand scale. As if the theft was actually the incidental goal, rather than the other way around...

Thanks for correcting me guys.

I was mainly concerned with subtitles in OTHER videos I've watched in addition to the linked one.

The idea that the sexual assault was mimicked or even learned behaviour from Cologne carnival culture is quite independent of the idea that these people are fully integrated Germans. Sure enough these subcultures can exist in Germany for many, many years without learning a shred of the language.

In Cologne, refugees are spread over 90 different living quarters in the entire city. Most of them only just arrived. The idea that they've organized themselves for this kind of spectacular heist is significantly less feasible than the other theories floating around. Again: Organized crime means no or hardly any refugees.

What we're seeing right now, what is in fact the content of Sascha Lobo's article (PaterAlf's link), is counter mobs forming from far right wingers. These are on the lookout for anything that looks foreign. Philantropist catastrophe. If they acquire knowledge of a target that police counts as a suspect (a mere suspect, a "could have been or maybe not"), I don't want to know what these people are going to do to him.

Police should keep absolutely everything under wraps. As to the immigration status of convicted delinquents, German justice may not at all be swift, but pretty damn inexorable.

The discussion is moot, of course, as likely not a single suspect will emerge out of this god damned mess.

what are you still solving? cattle behaves like cattle. that was serious mistake to receive muslims. they despise us and our democracy or women equality of rights.
cow merkel should undergo female circumcision and to be transported with them back to desert to burn camel's poos.

im for receiving just and only christians and jazeeds (whether practising or not) as integrateable groups to protect them against the cattle

Oooookay... You, good sir, might want to tone it down, since right now you sound like a seriously creepy person (notice that I didn't compare you to an animal, despite the temptation of doing so).

Seriously, some days, reading this forum is like looking into the abyss, and seing Cthulhu looking back at me.

They opened the zoo cages and let the animals run loose. Before anyone says anything, they behave like animals so they should be branded as such.

no, i dont want. your france is maybe lost for now already. maybe you wish the same destiny to others too. but we (i mean coutries from viszegrad four - you dont know anyway) are not interested in creating malicious parallel societies.

enjoy your no go zones in marseille and so on, but alone

And enjoy your little xenophobiatopia. Since I'm atheist-agnostic (and not christian), I apparently wouldn't be welcome, anyway.

I'm out of here, need to talk to some real humans and not some random interwebz sumbag.

islamophobia. if you really need pigeon-hole for life. but i still consider islamophobia better than no go zones and blasts or shooting that you obviously got to like.

ok, continue being charlie, that surely helps :-)

A comment for clarity here: I'm fairly certain that refugee is the word that carries the meaning you intended above. Fugitive tends to connote nefarious intent. An escaped murderer is a fugitive from justice; people who fled from the volcanic eruption on the island of Montserrat became refugees in other Caribbean countries.

Bug off to your far left heaven then...

Oooops of course. Changing that.


We've come so far without anyone comparing humans to animals, we'd like to continue that way please.


No need to be 'far left' to recognize elementary rhetorics of dehumanization.
No need to have a 'far left' government to condemn them.

Current integration system and immigration laws failed in most countries. If they really need immigrants or want to support "real" refugees and asylum seekers, then they should revise their current policies and system.