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Not sure how useful this advice is, but I've seen a lot of friends try to quit tobacco over the years. What it seems to me is those who actually quit smoking/chewing for good are those who really want to.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but from what I see you saying in this thread, you don't seem to "really" want to quit. You want to because you think you should, but...

When deep in your heart, you want to quit, you will. Not saying you shouldn't "try" because by trying to quit hopefully you will start to learn you don't really need it as much as you think. Someday, you will hopefully realize you don't need it at all. But it may take some time and a few failed attempts.
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RWarehall: Not sure how useful this advice is, but I've seen a lot of friends try to quit tobacco over the years. What it seems to me is those who actually quit smoking/chewing for good are those who really want to.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but from what I see you saying in this thread, you don't seem to "really" want to quit. You want to because you think you should, but...

When deep in your heart, you want to quit, you will. Not saying you shouldn't "try" because by trying to quit hopefully you will start to learn you don't really need it as much as you think. Someday, you will hopefully realize you don't need it at all. But it may take some time and a few failed attempts.
Oh I have quit. And yes I really did not want to. Also the reason is a real fact and it is Tinnitus.

I_am_a_addict. I am a addict. You don't quit if you're a addict you get something to replace your kicks. How fucking hard is that for GOG's forum dwellers to understand?
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RWarehall: Not sure how useful this advice is, but I've seen a lot of friends try to quit tobacco over the years. What it seems to me is those who actually quit smoking/chewing for good are those who really want to.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but from what I see you saying in this thread, you don't seem to "really" want to quit. You want to because you think you should, but...

When deep in your heart, you want to quit, you will. Not saying you shouldn't "try" because by trying to quit hopefully you will start to learn you don't really need it as much as you think. Someday, you will hopefully realize you don't need it at all. But it may take some time and a few failed attempts.
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Tarm: Oh I have quit. And yes I really did not want to. Also the reason is a real fact and it is Tinnitus.

I_am_a_addict. I am a addict. You don't quit if you're a addict you get something to replace your kicks. How fucking hard is that for GOG's forum dwellers to understand?
That's not really true. Quitting is hard and it sucks, but people do quit.

Trying to replace it with something is a deal with the devil that rarely works out well.
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Tarm: Oh I have quit. And yes I really did not want to. Also the reason is a real fact and it is Tinnitus.

I_am_a_addict. I am a addict. You don't quit if you're a addict you get something to replace your kicks. How fucking hard is that for GOG's forum dwellers to understand?
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hedwards: That's not really true. Quitting is hard and it sucks, but people do quit.

Trying to replace it with something is a deal with the devil that rarely works out well.
True. But how many quit alone? They replace their substance addiction with people addiction.
Acetaldehyde.

Alcohol, drugs, smoking byproduct. The stuff behind (and reason of the) "kick".

Group 1 (as in "highly") cancerogen.

Three ways to quit addiction:

1) Lobotomy (damage)
2) Church (support)
3) Hard beating (reflex)
Post edited February 27, 2016 by Lin545
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Tarm: Anyone any advice?
I can't give you advice as I never did any drugs or smoked or got kicks out of tobacco or alcohol.
I am also an addict.
I am addicted to Cheese and Gaming!!!
During college days while everyone was addicted to alcohol I used to play games for 20-30 hrs.
I would only take 2-3 hr break for a power nap and some other shit.
I still play game like this but not that often.

I believe that who need drugs when you have got gaming!!!
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Tarm: Anyone any advice?
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amrit9037: I can't give you advice as I never did any drugs or smoked or got kicks out of tobacco or alcohol.
I am also an addict.
I am addicted to Cheese and Gaming!!!
During college days while everyone was addicted to alcohol I used to play games for 20-30 hrs.
I would only take 2-3 hr break for a power nap and some other shit.
I still play game like this but not that often.

I believe that who need drugs when you have got gaming!!!
This is why I love this place so much.
I'm addicted to puzzles. It's a healthy addiction, really.
Although this addiction to bad jokes is slowly killing me.
More specifically, it's the death threats for making the bad jokes.
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hedwards: That's not really true. Quitting is hard and it sucks, but people do quit.

Trying to replace it with something is a deal with the devil that rarely works out well.
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Tarm: True. But how many quit alone? They replace their substance addiction with people addiction.
I don't think that's a productive way of looking at it. Being around other users is really the worst possibility. The next worse is being completely alone after that is being around people that are supportive of.

I've found that I don't need people around me constantly, but having the right people around me when I'm on the verge of relapse makes it more doable. The alternative is really locking yourself away without access to whatever the drug of choice is.

But, it does depend a bit on what things a person is addicted to. As an ADDer, I have the most trouble with alcohol and pot, and I could probably use any stimulant I like without becoming addicted.
Feel free to ignore this advice :P
Took me five years of daily sitting practise in a buddhist tradition and playing shitload of games to get rid of my drinkin' habit. Oh, yeah, also did all kindsa drugs and gave them up, but alcohol was more difficult.

I started at age 13, my parents were and still are alcoholics so I can almost say, 'it's in the genes' though I don't really believe that much anymore. It's in your mind more.

Haven't had a drink in over 6 months and feel like if I do, it won't be how it was in those 'bad times'. Also the buddhist tradition I'm interested in, actually doesn't say 'No!' to alcohol, so it's more my own problem.

So all I can say it's friggin' hard to quit. But yeah authentic Buddhist sitting every day for at least a five minutes helped. None of them crazy-ass cultists who only want your money, there's those too. Also a better half who shouts to you every morning you have one helluva hangover, that's a plus... dunno how it works with snus :P

oh yeah, also forcing yourself to do something else: that way you can at least create another habit that is 'less destructive'... like indoors sports once a week. Just do it, like Nike said :P
Post edited February 27, 2016 by superstande
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amrit9037: I believe that who need drugs when you have got gaming!!!
I can confirm that. There have been times in my younger days when I kept putting off going away from the computer to drink some water or eat a proper meal because I was so engrossed by a game. By analogy, it might work for drugs as well! Bad memories? When I was gaming, I easily forgot about lovesickness and the like.
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ShadowWulfe: No, just exercise. Get on a treadmill, pump weights, whatever gets you to that exercise high. It's tough at first, but it beats cancer as a self medication.
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Sachys: someone doesnt understand things very well.

As to you tarm, I would advise, but I'm fraid snuff, snus and chewing tobaccos are one of the few things I have little experience with.
I can suggest, however, to continue avoiding any advice from people that immediately suggsest any form of physical training or "postitive thinking" as some kind of weening therapy.
I'll mull this over and see if I can think of anything actually relevant for you.
At any rate, all the best to you!
Doctor Sachys is on the case (beware).

Tarm
Seek professional help,don't ask these know - it - all twits in the forum.
Post edited February 27, 2016 by Tauto
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Tarm: True. But how many quit alone? They replace their substance addiction with people addiction.
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hedwards: I don't think that's a productive way of looking at it. Being around other users is really the worst possibility. The next worse is being completely alone after that is being around people that are supportive of.

I've found that I don't need people around me constantly, but having the right people around me when I'm on the verge of relapse makes it more doable. The alternative is really locking yourself away without access to whatever the drug of choice is.

But, it does depend a bit on what things a person is addicted to. As an ADDer, I have the most trouble with alcohol and pot, and I could probably use any stimulant I like without becoming addicted.
Oh I was talking about people getting attached to their near and dear instead. And their quitting hanging on their support.
Post edited February 27, 2016 by Tarm
What you could do is self-hypnosis.

To start, read scientific papers of how bad all the addictions are for you. The point is to slowly make your subconscious aware (that's wear the addiction lies) to not use them. Any kind of solution that resolves around an external aspect like social support or mere avoidance by using willpower have a rather superficial effect. It works but it requires to focus on something else. If you manage to solve the underlying need, you don't need anything else. This way likely requires more dedication and knowledge, not sure if that's what you are into.

Therapy could help especielly if you find one with experience to hypnosis.
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Nirth: What you could do is self-hypnosis.

To start, read scientific papers of how bad all the addictions are for you. The point is to slowly make your subconscious aware (that's wear the addiction lies) to not use them. Any kind of solution that resolves around an external aspect like social support or mere avoidance by using willpower have a rather superficial effect. It works but it requires to focus on something else. If you manage to solve the underlying need, you don't need anything else. This way likely requires more dedication and knowledge, not sure if that's what you are into.

Therapy could help especielly if you find one with experience to hypnosis.
Hm. Does this work for people that get more kicks out of stuff than ordinary people? Because those kicks are everywhere. For example I can go all out on coffee and be a wreck for several days afterwards. It's not like one thing. It's how your body functions. It lacks probably.