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Post edited October 11, 2022 by Clownski_
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PumaYarisi20N: [Modded - political.]
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Let's not get political here, shall we?
Post edited October 11, 2022 by Clownski_
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BlueMooner: When it was announced vampire the masquerade was going to get a bloodlines 2 game, there was tons more outrage at "wokism" ruining the game with just the rumor of the possibility of gay vampires.
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All in all, the ones complaining about gay vampires have an agenda or are the flock influenced by those with an agenda. The problem is paying heed to the agenda instead of telling them to look elsewhere if they're not interested.
Post edited October 11, 2022 by Clownski_
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Carradice: Just a plea for GOg management to consider. Keep games in GOG free of censorship as much as you can. Pandering to this or that pressure group bites you in the rear part because they willl always want more. GOG games, proudly DRM free and censorship free. Thanks for what you do for games and people who love games.
What have I missed? Why is this suddenly now a concern?
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PumaYarisi20N: [Modded - political.]
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neumi5694: [Modded - political.]
Let's not get political here, shall we?
Definitely let's not.
I was censored as well and my post was opposed to yours. So no, you are using the right term, since both sides got treated the same way.
Post edited October 13, 2022 by neumi5694
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neumi5694: That seems to hit the nail. It's not GOGs place to decide what the publisher should publish and what not.
When the publishers violate the laws of a country the game is supposed to be sold to - that's where GOG must step in.

I would like to keep all old versions of my games, gut the current versions alone already take almost 7 TB.

In the case you mentioned I would not have noticed the Taiwanese flags and names in the first place, let alone them being removed. No chance I would have seen that.
Yeah, right. I know that having a different (i.e. the self-censored) chinese build for their region only, while letting the rest of the world enjoy the 30y/o classics in their original form would be too reasonable and way too customer-friendly. So let's have the lowest common denominator rule instead, while being lumped together with commie censors who hate the world (or geography and history). It's a fair treatment in its own perverse way, since everyone has the same neutered version.
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Spectrum_Legacy: Yeah, right. I know that having a different (i.e. the self-censored) chinese build for their region only, while letting the rest of the world enjoy the 30y/o classics in their original form would be too reasonable and way too customer-friendly. So let's have the lowest common denominator rule instead, while being lumped together with commie censors who hate the world (or geography and history). It's a fair treatment in its own perverse way, since everyone has the same neutered version.
Not saying it's a good thing, but it is the publisher's decision.
GOG can't decide in their name where to sell what.

Kane and Lynch? Germany got it's own version, not available anywhere else. On the other hand you can't access the international version from Germany.
https://www.gogdb.org/products?search=kane+lynch+2
Check both links. One (1911154018) won't have a store page.
If you live in Germany, it's the other one.
What is worst here is that both have the same name and share the same readable ID. In the case of Wolfenstein 2 they added "German Edition" at least, so one knows what he gets.

This is how it can be done, but it's not GOGs decision.

You want to blame someone? Blame the publisher.
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neumi5694: Not saying it's a good thing, but it is the publisher's decision.
GOG can't decide in their name where to sell what.

Kane and Lynch? Germany got it's own version, not available anywhere else. On the other hand you can't access the international version from Germany.
https://www.gogdb.org/products?search=kane+lynch+2
Check both links. One (1911154018) won't have a store page.
If you live in Germany, it's the other one.
What is worst here is that both have the same name and share the same readable ID. In the case of Wolfenstein 2 they added "German Edition" at least, so one knows what he gets.

This is how it can be done, but it's not GOGs decision.

You want to blame someone? Blame the publisher.
I'm not new to this game by any stretch, so fully aware of dev:pub:distributor/platform relationship and their dos & don'ts, regional versions, restrictions, etc. Maybe it would benefit you to know a little bit more about this particular case?
Naturally the blame lies with the publisher/IP holder who at that time was a chinese corp that took it upon themselves to alter those old arcade classics. Instead of making these changes in their region only, they pushed the sneaky patch globally without any patchnotes, on all platforms afaik. However I mostly blame myself for buying it here as it turned out... although at the time of purchase, both games were still sold in their original state so I couldn't have known. Hindsight is 20/20 after all.

Inconsistency comes on the gog part though, whether you like it or not. AoF2 allows rollback via galaxy to the original version, BS2 doesn't. That's what I've asked for a couple of times already, to get rollback for BS2 too (or any other game really), despite support's stubbornness to acknowledge the censorship as an issue. Wouldn't you know that steam version actually allows the rollback? I don't think that I have to explain why that is a positive thing for community. Makes you wonder about the whole pro-gamer notion here, making games last forever, etc.

P.S. I really do feel deeply for all the Germans living under those silly ratings, censorships and neutered versions. Imagine if their version suddenly became forced worldwide, I mean it would be only fair so Germans wouldn't suffer alone. Chinese did it exactly that way after all... New games and other media coming out in China etc have all the sensibilities set straight and checked by the committee ofc, so everyone knows they are safe experience.

Oh and one small flashback: When SW: DF2 Jedi knight came out, I bought it in Germany and I had to whip up my ID to prove that I'm 18+... It appeared to me that it had to be easier for youth to buy some hardcore adult material there than a Star wars game. Those were the days, I remember it fondly - thanks for that reminder, I appreciate!
in the boycott thread you told us to contact you if we have any comments, questions and such, but it is impossible

anyway, as already stated multiple times in both the Hitman, the DRM on GOG and the Boycott threads: you have a DRM issue to solve on your platform, take care of it already
Post edited October 14, 2022 by zakius
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Spectrum_Legacy: Inconsistency comes on the gog part though, whether you like it or not. AoF2 allows rollback via galaxy to the original version, BS2 doesn't.
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P.S. I really do feel deeply for all the Germans living under those silly ratings, censorships and neutered versions. Imagine if their version suddenly became forced worldwide,
We already have examples where that happened. Look for the missing children in fallout. Really, it's up to the publisher, not GOG.

If the publisher does not allo rollback, GOG can't allow it. No one has to like or dislike it, it's just how it is. That's the joy of digital distribution.


ps: it can also happen the other way around. Originally, Giants Citizen Kabuto was censored in the US but not in Europe, the GOG version is uncensored.
Post edited October 14, 2022 by neumi5694
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zakius: in the boycott thread you told us to contact you if we have any comments, questions and such, but it is impossible
Impossible in what way?

Are you being blocked from sending Clownski a message by your own security settings? It's a common mistake.
Post edited October 14, 2022 by my name is grompy catte
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zakius: in the boycott thread you told us to contact you if we have any comments, questions and such, but it is impossible
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my name is grompy catte: Impossible in what way?

Are you being blocked from sending Clownski a message by your own security settings? It's a common mistake.
there is no setting that can be set to "block me from sending messages to GOG staff" or anything like that
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neumi5694: We already have examples where that happened. Look for the missing children in fallout. Really, it's up to the publisher, not GOG.

If the publisher does not allo rollback, GOG can't allow it. No one has to like or dislike it, it's just how it is. That's the joy of digital distribution.

ps: it can also happen the other way around. Originally, Giants Citizen Kabuto was censored in the US but not in Europe, the GOG version is uncensored.
I can't really explain this any better than I already did, so I won't repeat myself. It's worthy to consider that both games which were censored at the same time have the very same publisher, ip holder and developer as well. There is no logic nor variable as to why one would be allowed the rollback while the other didn't, hence the inconsistency or even an oversight on gog's side. It made me more wary as to where I buy my games, more than anything.

Regarding GCK, the joy of digital distribution also covers the option of having the best possible version available instead, along with any extra game content, bonus material, etc... or is it not? Censored or downright cut content is like... the opposite of that. One doesn't really have to ask people which version they would rather have if they were to pay for it. I for one wouldn't want to deprive our American friends of some (arguably a low-poly and low res) boobs in GCK either... having options is great after all. Applies to any digital medium... even the censored games I've mentioned. Maybe there are fans or collectors of gimped versions of games who defend censorship (even a retroactive one as in this case happening 25+ years post launch), heck I wouldn't know.
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Spectrum_Legacy: I can't really explain this any better than I already did, so I won't repeat myself.
You don't have to explain it better, I understood your point of view, I just don't share your opinion.

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Spectrum_Legacy: There is no logic nor variable as to why one would be allowed the rollback while the other didn't,
That might be true or not, but what difference does it make? They don't want it, it's not there. Easy as that.
Or someone messed up and the old stuff was deleted accidentaly.
This is by far not the only game without rollback option.
Post edited October 14, 2022 by neumi5694